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In reply to the discussion: Duty to retreat vs stand your ground and castle laws: Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater [View all]TPaine7
(4,286 posts)59. Thanks for your thoughtul response. I agree that the law needs change and that all violent deaths
should be thoroughly investigated.
However, I don't think even without SYG all self-defense defendants are arrested and jailed--assuming that's you mean by their being "put in a position where they cannot evade arrest if they are found to be criminally at fault."
I think perhaps for cases where the suspect has a story that appears to match the evidence, perhaps the police could use a leg collar--something that won't potentially ruin the life of an innocent person (because, for instance, she can't make her mortgage when she isn't working) but will still allow police to keep tabs just in case.
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TPaine7
Mar 2012
OP
That's not true. Most confrontations will not go to "kill or be killed" without graduation.
TPaine7
Mar 2012
#14
I don't think that the Stand your ground law prevents a jury from determining
JDPriestly
Mar 2012
#12
The essential issue in self-defense as I understand it (and I was not a specialist in
JDPriestly
Mar 2012
#61
'Reasonableness' gets evaluated all the way up the legal ladder.. not all go to a jury.
X_Digger
Mar 2012
#63
"These states uphold castle doctrine in general, ... but... may enforce a duty to retreat"
TPaine7
Mar 2012
#24
Do you also believe that the idea of innocent people in prison in cases totally unrelated to this
TPaine7
Mar 2012
#38
The case was from before the 2005 change, so comparing 2005 and 2011 is irrelevant. n/t
TPaine7
Mar 2012
#75
I don't see why everyone who agrees with gun rights is AUTOMATICALLY an NRA member
TeamsterDem
Mar 2012
#37
I am not a member, nor have I ever given them a penny, though I almost contributed after Katrina.
TPaine7
Mar 2012
#39
I think I'll stand my ground and won't allow your made up bullshit and histrionics to make me leave.
TPaine7
Mar 2012
#45
I think Florida's SYG law and even their Castle Law need revision. There also needs to be education
TPaine7
Mar 2012
#51
The duty to retreat is a duty to obey a criminal who orders you to flee coupled with a threat
TPaine7
Apr 2012
#90
The bottom line is that he can dismiss you from any public space, simply by offering you violence.
TPaine7
Mar 2012
#48
Wow! Just Wow! Killing an unarmed teen with no legal ramifications is the "bathwater"?
Major Nikon
Mar 2012
#31
Perhaps you can read, but I'm seriously doubting your ability to comprehend
Major Nikon
Mar 2012
#66
I skimmed over your post and failed to find anything that addresses the examples I gave
Major Nikon
Apr 2012
#95
The false assumption is that without the shoot first law, people go to jail for defending themselves
Major Nikon
Mar 2012
#72
Thanks for your thoughtul response. I agree that the law needs change and that all violent deaths
TPaine7
Mar 2012
#59
Actually I started to say "arrested" but decided that in all cases that is not justified
csziggy
Mar 2012
#65