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In reply to the discussion: DU was for change, not progressivism... [View all]phleshdef
(11,936 posts)96. Some of that just has to do with the notion that "centrist", "independent", "moderate", etc...
... are things that people like to claim to make them feel good about themselves. And a lot of these people are politically illiterate when it comes down to the brass tax of understanding and articulating issues.
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Irrelevant. I'll take this because it could easily be directed at me :)
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
Mar 2014
#45
First off, lumping Obama and Clinton together doesn't even begin to form an argument.
phleshdef
Mar 2014
#10
...and you keep on pretending that Obama, the self-described moderate republican, is a progressive..
truebrit71
Mar 2014
#13
When in the fuck did I say I moved right? I didn't move right. Public ideological acceptance did.
phleshdef
Mar 2014
#80
"Can you provide proof of this assertion?" Yes, look at election history over the past 30 years.
phleshdef
Mar 2014
#84
I do not consider that proof of a general move to the right by the public.
PowerToThePeople
Mar 2014
#88
The job of those of us who are active in politics is to lead our country toward a better future.
JDPriestly
Mar 2014
#97
"Now, I suppose you will accuse me of having my hair on fire and being an extremists"... No I won't
phleshdef
Mar 2014
#98
If we didn't have so much money for campaigns, we would have a better informed electorate
JDPriestly
Mar 2014
#168
Right on. The history of the constant ideological morphing between our 2 biggest factions...
phleshdef
Mar 2014
#107
Well theres overlap. The 1980s saw the beginning of the end for Republicans...
phleshdef
Mar 2014
#126
As I told another poster, I don't care who you voted for. Thats irrelevant to the point.
phleshdef
Mar 2014
#62
Yes, because saying "I'd have been CONSIDERED a moderate Repub in the 1980s" is the same
Number23
Mar 2014
#153
Really? What was the HUGE difference? Ike didn't lock Japanese people up in internment camps?
phleshdef
Mar 2014
#48
Passing single payer when there wasn't enough political desire for it among the elected.
phleshdef
Mar 2014
#22
Perfect. You are a progressive that doesnt ignore reality. I think that says a lot
rhett o rick
Mar 2014
#28
I'm against indefinite detention. I believe the TPP is crap but also overblown.
phleshdef
Mar 2014
#66
Not debating what the party stands for is like a surgeon throwing out the diagnosis before surgery.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Mar 2014
#7
So? "Childish" or not, debate within the party is essential to its being more than "not as bad".
Tierra_y_Libertad
Mar 2014
#19
Warren on "Too Big To Fail". Has Obama or Clinton ever said anything...
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
Mar 2014
#27
Hillary: Beating up the finance industry needs to stop. (talk, talk, words, words)
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
Mar 2014
#65
You don't even know that HILLARY said that in December at a Goldman Sachs fundraiser???
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
Mar 2014
#71
I'm not rich and have nothing to lose, but that doesn't describe everyone at DU...
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
Mar 2014
#81
Hey, I just got here, and I'd like to ask what are we talking about here? November is coming up on
genwah
Mar 2014
#36
Another thing: There are adult ways of dealing with disappointment and then therez...
yowzayowzayowza
Mar 2014
#83
Calling President Obama a piece of shit is certainly gunna help the cause.
yowzayowzayowza
Mar 2014
#92
Said partisan liberal editorial writer seriously misfired his high dudgeon.
yowzayowzayowza
Mar 2014
#116
In this instance of reality, mebbie said partisan liberal editorial writer...
yowzayowzayowza
Mar 2014
#138
Some of that just has to do with the notion that "centrist", "independent", "moderate", etc...
phleshdef
Mar 2014
#96
Oh that kerfluffle wasn't nearly as unifying as anger at SHE who must not be named
HereSince1628
Mar 2014
#133
Dude, I don't think you need to be preaching to anyone about "being toxic" at this juncture.
phleshdef
Mar 2014
#68
Obama and Clinton are Third Way. Which means NO CHANGE. Well, none that we'd like, anyway...
blkmusclmachine
Mar 2014
#51
"Progressive" and "liberal" are relative terms. Many DUers are on the far left of the spectrum,
pnwmom
Mar 2014
#54
And the result of all of this discussion among Democrats will be a loss of the Senate and
Squinch
Mar 2014
#55
If we are to draw a line between liberals and progressives, many progressives aren't "liberals"
BlueStreak
Mar 2014
#85
I would rather catch things structurally and only subsidize where all else fails
BlueStreak
Mar 2014
#125
You know neoliberal was the name of a free market banking movement in the 30's right?
HereSince1628
Mar 2014
#137
Clintonism was the real conservatism. They balanced the budget, slashed New Deal regulation
Douglas Carpenter
Mar 2014
#145