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In reply to the discussion: DU was for change, not progressivism... [View all]phleshdef
(11,936 posts)131. Of course he wasn't. You are missing my point. And its far from ridiculous.
My point was, this entire conversation, is there use to be a much, much smaller gap between the 2 parties in terms of moderate Republicans and progressive Democrats. There were a good number of Republicans that were accepting of a lot of progressive ideals, not on everything but some very significant things.
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Irrelevant. I'll take this because it could easily be directed at me :)
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
Mar 2014
#45
First off, lumping Obama and Clinton together doesn't even begin to form an argument.
phleshdef
Mar 2014
#10
...and you keep on pretending that Obama, the self-described moderate republican, is a progressive..
truebrit71
Mar 2014
#13
When in the fuck did I say I moved right? I didn't move right. Public ideological acceptance did.
phleshdef
Mar 2014
#80
"Can you provide proof of this assertion?" Yes, look at election history over the past 30 years.
phleshdef
Mar 2014
#84
I do not consider that proof of a general move to the right by the public.
PowerToThePeople
Mar 2014
#88
The job of those of us who are active in politics is to lead our country toward a better future.
JDPriestly
Mar 2014
#97
"Now, I suppose you will accuse me of having my hair on fire and being an extremists"... No I won't
phleshdef
Mar 2014
#98
If we didn't have so much money for campaigns, we would have a better informed electorate
JDPriestly
Mar 2014
#168
Right on. The history of the constant ideological morphing between our 2 biggest factions...
phleshdef
Mar 2014
#107
Well theres overlap. The 1980s saw the beginning of the end for Republicans...
phleshdef
Mar 2014
#126
As I told another poster, I don't care who you voted for. Thats irrelevant to the point.
phleshdef
Mar 2014
#62
Yes, because saying "I'd have been CONSIDERED a moderate Repub in the 1980s" is the same
Number23
Mar 2014
#153
Really? What was the HUGE difference? Ike didn't lock Japanese people up in internment camps?
phleshdef
Mar 2014
#48
Passing single payer when there wasn't enough political desire for it among the elected.
phleshdef
Mar 2014
#22
Perfect. You are a progressive that doesnt ignore reality. I think that says a lot
rhett o rick
Mar 2014
#28
I'm against indefinite detention. I believe the TPP is crap but also overblown.
phleshdef
Mar 2014
#66
Not debating what the party stands for is like a surgeon throwing out the diagnosis before surgery.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Mar 2014
#7
So? "Childish" or not, debate within the party is essential to its being more than "not as bad".
Tierra_y_Libertad
Mar 2014
#19
Warren on "Too Big To Fail". Has Obama or Clinton ever said anything...
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
Mar 2014
#27
Hillary: Beating up the finance industry needs to stop. (talk, talk, words, words)
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
Mar 2014
#65
You don't even know that HILLARY said that in December at a Goldman Sachs fundraiser???
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
Mar 2014
#71
I'm not rich and have nothing to lose, but that doesn't describe everyone at DU...
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
Mar 2014
#81
Hey, I just got here, and I'd like to ask what are we talking about here? November is coming up on
genwah
Mar 2014
#36
Another thing: There are adult ways of dealing with disappointment and then therez...
yowzayowzayowza
Mar 2014
#83
Calling President Obama a piece of shit is certainly gunna help the cause.
yowzayowzayowza
Mar 2014
#92
Said partisan liberal editorial writer seriously misfired his high dudgeon.
yowzayowzayowza
Mar 2014
#116
In this instance of reality, mebbie said partisan liberal editorial writer...
yowzayowzayowza
Mar 2014
#138
Some of that just has to do with the notion that "centrist", "independent", "moderate", etc...
phleshdef
Mar 2014
#96
Oh that kerfluffle wasn't nearly as unifying as anger at SHE who must not be named
HereSince1628
Mar 2014
#133
Dude, I don't think you need to be preaching to anyone about "being toxic" at this juncture.
phleshdef
Mar 2014
#68
Obama and Clinton are Third Way. Which means NO CHANGE. Well, none that we'd like, anyway...
blkmusclmachine
Mar 2014
#51
"Progressive" and "liberal" are relative terms. Many DUers are on the far left of the spectrum,
pnwmom
Mar 2014
#54
And the result of all of this discussion among Democrats will be a loss of the Senate and
Squinch
Mar 2014
#55
If we are to draw a line between liberals and progressives, many progressives aren't "liberals"
BlueStreak
Mar 2014
#85
I would rather catch things structurally and only subsidize where all else fails
BlueStreak
Mar 2014
#125
You know neoliberal was the name of a free market banking movement in the 30's right?
HereSince1628
Mar 2014
#137
Clintonism was the real conservatism. They balanced the budget, slashed New Deal regulation
Douglas Carpenter
Mar 2014
#145