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Spider Jerusalem

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22. Just stop.

Sat Mar 29, 2014, 02:48 PM

Mar 2014

Really. Anyone who believes there is a correlation between vaccination and autism is wrong, stupid, and dangerous. Do you know one of the things we DO know causes autism? Rubella in pregnant women. Which is on the rise because of paranoia fuelled by stupidity like this. Here's a helpful hint: there have been extensive vaccine safety studies conducted of commonly-administered childhood vaccines (including the MMR vaccine, which was introduced in 1988!) and these studies have concluded that there is no statistically significant link between vaccinations and autistic disorders. Conflating correlation (child manifests symptoms of ASD around the same age child is vaccinated) and causation (therefore vaccines must have cause child's autism) helps no-one. And it's frankly disingenuous and intellectually dishonest to be saying things like this when there have in fact been studies of the safety of the pertinent vaccines.

See here: http://jpeds.com/webfiles/images/journals/ympd/JPEDSDeStefano.pdf

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Guess the number of comments @ NJ.COM on "Autism continues to climb, with NJ rates now the highest" [View all] proverbialwisdom Mar 2014 OP

My feeling is that this has to do with toxic chemicals in the environment in NJ LiberalEsto Mar 2014 #1

Utah’s autism rate continues to be above average but it’s holding steady at about 2% of population. proverbialwisdom Mar 2014 #2

The Salt Lake Tribune article has 10 comments at the moment, the NJ.COM in the OP has 21. (nt) proverbialwisdom Mar 2014 #9

... Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #3

Makes sense n/t PasadenaTrudy Mar 2014 #4

The first link is outdated and has been disproven; no problem with observations in the second. (nt) proverbialwisdom Mar 2014 #8

It's neither outdated nor disproven Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #11

Check it out. proverbialwisdom Mar 2014 #6

It's changing diagnostic criteria. Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #13

I respect your knowledgeable viewpoint but defer to the parents. proverbialwisdom Mar 2014 #15

Parents are not medical professionals. Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #16

Please consider reading up on Hannah Poling, VICP (Vaccine Injury Compensation Program) and EBCALA. proverbialwisdom Mar 2014 #17

A finding of liability in a court is not a finding of medical fact, either. Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #18

Please review that more carefully, you've misinterpreted an admittedly rushed post. proverbialwisdom Mar 2014 #19

The only cranks I see here... Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #20

Autism, as classically understood, is being overturned by current research as we speak... proverbialwisdom Mar 2014 #21

Just stop. Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #22

You are defending an abstract concept without noticing its application changes over time & location. proverbialwisdom Mar 2014 #30

I don't see this as a political issue, it is a scientific and medical issue. Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #31

We agree science will sort it out but disagree that all scientists are in agreement at the moment. proverbialwisdom Mar 2014 #33

Please show me a credible peer-reviewed study... Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #35

Well I do like another Andrew's research, for over 25 yrs. Dr. Andrew Moulden TheNutcracker Mar 2014 #27

... Spider Jerusalem Mar 2014 #28

The man had a family and children. Hope they don't get this google as you are just plain mean. TheNutcracker Mar 2014 #34

"California's Autism Increase Not Due To Better Counting, Diagnosis" lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #24

If the proverbial wisdom about "follow the money" is traced here, closeupready Mar 2014 #5

I wouldn't call it a scandal jmowreader Mar 2014 #10

I suspect you are either correct, or the reality is some kind of game like you describe. closeupready Mar 2014 #12

Considering that federal funding of Special Education is short changed lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #26

I have to admit knowing a number of kids with autism in the state hollysmom Mar 2014 #7

coud it be that the criteria for diagnosis is less strict now? Steve Martines Mar 2014 #14

What exactly is germane or interesting about the number of comments? lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #23

Maybe it's a trick to get you to click on the article? reformist2 Mar 2014 #25

The NYT wrote 117 words about this announcement on page A18, or so the parents noted. proverbialwisdom Mar 2014 #32

It should be it's own axis and scale IMO ck4829 Mar 2014 #29

This just in: Layoffs at Star-Ledger, NJ.com, other Advance newspapers top 300 proverbialwisdom Apr 2014 #36