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Tyhanna

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132. ok this has become rediculous and im not going to continue with this..

Sun Mar 30, 2014, 10:55 PM

Mar 2014

I don't have to prove anything. You have made a statement you need to prove it.
E-cigarettes by the FDA will be deemed a tobacco product. So when they do its a tobacco product.
How many kids do you know that have credit cards to buy on line. And isn't it up to the parents to know what their children are doing. I know it was my job to know what my kids were doing as they grew up.
Really? Pushers, its a legal product, nicotine is a legal product, you try and make it sound less than so. I guess those that make caffeine products are pushers also, that is a drug and is not regulated.

Im am done, this is becoming over the top ridiculous. I really don't care what you think like I said before and Im not going to get pulled back into this again, to try to help you understand any of this because you don't want to understand.

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E-cigarettes 'should not be marketed as smoking cessation aids' [View all] morningfog Mar 2014 OP

Easy enough to track the cigarette tax revenue to aggregate the changes. Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #1

It's not debatable Bonobo Mar 2014 #2

Except they won their lawsuit to NOT be classified as a smoking-cessation device. n/t pnwmom Mar 2014 #13

So what? Bonobo Mar 2014 #22

so all these folks who have quit smoking by using these devices never really quit smoking? frylock Mar 2014 #31

What lawsuit is that? Could you provide a link, please? LiberalAndProud Mar 2014 #32

Sottera vs. FDA. Here you go: pnwmom Mar 2014 #35

Sottera V. FDA LadyHawkAZ Mar 2014 #36

Right. They argued that their product should instead be classified as a tobacco product, pnwmom Mar 2014 #44

the problem is you dont understand why. Tyhanna Mar 2014 #55

I do understand why, and it's exactly what you say: pnwmom Mar 2014 #65

you just dont understand do you? Tyhanna Mar 2014 #76

Of course they are a nicotine delivery system. They deliver nicotine. pnwmom Mar 2014 #77

see there you again, you dont understand how FDA works Tyhanna Mar 2014 #78

You're right, and that's what I'm saying. The FDA hasn't deemed e-cigarettes a tobacco product. pnwmom Mar 2014 #79

They dont want anymore than that ... Tyhanna Mar 2014 #81

Nicotine IS a drug, so the FDA was on solid ground attempting to regulate these devices. pnwmom Mar 2014 #82

is it a drug? Tyhanna Mar 2014 #83

Of course nicotine is a drug! Aspirin came from willow bark and it's a drug, too. pnwmom Mar 2014 #84

hum since all nicotine comes from tobacco.... Tyhanna Mar 2014 #85

The FDA already has a perfect category for "tobacco harm reduction." pnwmom Mar 2014 #86

wow you better read again....you are so wrong Tyhanna Mar 2014 #87

The FDA isn't about to approve anything as a "tobacco harm reduction product" pnwmom Mar 2014 #88

of course they arnt..... Tyhanna Mar 2014 #89

Nicotine is a drug. Period. Cigarettes have given a special exemption from the normal regulations pnwmom Mar 2014 #90

what exemption is that... Tyhanna Mar 2014 #91

Tobacco products are exempt from the normal FDA requirement that pnwmom Mar 2014 #93

again nicotine is only a drug if its in the NRTs. n/t Tyhanna Mar 2014 #92

Pure nicotine, as is used in vape pens, is always a drug. pnwmom Mar 2014 #94

obviously you are making things up again. Tyhanna Mar 2014 #95

Pure nicotine is a drug. And so is nicotine diluted with water to a lower concentration. pnwmom Mar 2014 #96

you can call it what ever you want... Tyhanna Mar 2014 #121

If you can provide links backing up your opinions, why don't you do so? pnwmom Mar 2014 #123

NO wrong... Tyhanna Mar 2014 #124

Do you understand that N-joy is one of the biggest and that it's made in China? pnwmom Mar 2014 #125

Cig look alikes are just a part of market share Tyhanna Mar 2014 #127

NJOY might combine their ingredients here, but they get them from China pnwmom Mar 2014 #128

Really? Tyhanna Mar 2014 #129

The burden is on you to prove the positive statement you made, not on me to disprove it. pnwmom Mar 2014 #131

ok this has become rediculous and im not going to continue with this.. Tyhanna Mar 2014 #132

Kids can buy them in retail stores in many states. They don't have to go online. pnwmom Mar 2014 #133

btw they fill their carts here in the US with the liquid... Tyhanna Mar 2014 #130

2 obscure companies - thats the "they" you refer to. beevul Mar 2014 #43

Not a single member of the industry supported the FDA's position, or appealed the judge's decision. pnwmom Mar 2014 #45

Yeah, and you benefit from skokie vs illinois. beevul Mar 2014 #46

I have said nothing untrue. You just disagree with my conclusions. n/t pnwmom Mar 2014 #48

Yes, you have. beevul Mar 2014 #50

This person never stops repeating the lies Glitterati Mar 2014 #68

Without a doubt. beevul Mar 2014 #70

Exactly. Glitterati Mar 2014 #72

The certainly are for me.. SomethingFishy Mar 2014 #23

My faith in the honesty of established medicine pipoman Mar 2014 #3

+1000000000000 redqueen Mar 2014 #41

caveat emptor GeorgeGist Mar 2014 #4

But gum and lozenges are because they are made (and over-priced) by big pharma. tridim Mar 2014 #5

Which is EXACTLY why you are seeing such a rabid campaign Glitterati Mar 2014 #69

And I found a study last week where 75% of vapers smoked less cigarettes KittyWampus Mar 2014 #6

It is not legal currently to market them as a cessation product. But they are Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #7

I would think the fire safety factor alone should make them wildly popular. MindPilot Mar 2014 #8

That is an excellent point. I watched my neighbor's home morningfog Mar 2014 #9

Hadn't thought of fire hazard angle. Thanks KittyWampus Mar 2014 #10

That's the best argument for them I've heard yet. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2014 #27

Here is how fucked up this "study" is: KittyWampus Mar 2014 #11

~90% of the people in this study were intending to quit NoOneMan Mar 2014 #73

They're not blogslut Mar 2014 #12

Why not? They work very well. I stared vaping Jan 31 Autumn Mar 2014 #14

Patches and lozenges "worked" for me... tridim Mar 2014 #15

The patches were a waste of time and money for me. They did Autumn Mar 2014 #16

wernt you already addicted to nicotine? that is why you smoke cigs for the nicotine right? n/t Tyhanna Mar 2014 #57

Sure, but the lozenges aren't freebase nicotine like cigs. tridim Mar 2014 #58

nether are e-cigarettes, same nicotine as used in the NRTs. n/t Tyhanna Mar 2014 #63

Should be marketed as eliminating 50+ known carcinogens jbond56 Mar 2014 #17

Yeah, what's with all the anti-e-cig OPs here at DU? Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #18

It's a bit strange, isn't it? Comrade Grumpy Mar 2014 #19

Not Strange RobinA Mar 2014 #28

^^^ THIS ^^^ bunnies Mar 2014 #30

Ha, this is great. Demit Mar 2014 #33

But it LOOKS like smoking tammywammy Mar 2014 #20

And the smokers (and former smokers) are ENJOYING it. Mariana Mar 2014 #56

If you look carefully the biggest anti-smoking people are the same ones SomethingFishy Mar 2014 #24

Well, I'm anti-smoking but I'm not anti-e-cig. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #26

Fortunately, most people are like you. Mariana Mar 2014 #75

2 packs in two years Tunkamerica Mar 2014 #152

I've noticed that it's common for SOME people on this site to look down on others who Revanchist Mar 2014 #34

Yes, food is another big one LordGlenconner Mar 2014 #39

I wish I could afford to buy organic and hormone free foods. Revanchist Mar 2014 #40

What's with it? LordGlenconner Mar 2014 #38

Especially not smokers. Mariana Mar 2014 #47

It's not just at DU. We're seeing a push for e-cig regulation at the city level Marr Mar 2014 #52

Kind of funny that me, my husband, logosoco Mar 2014 #21

Relatively few are against them. Mariana Mar 2014 #49

Yes, I never smoked in bed...My mother who drank and smoked set two fires in our home angstlessk Mar 2014 #53

Eventually your lungs will clear enough Mariana Mar 2014 #54

Admittedly I did not quit voluntarilly I got sick angstlessk Mar 2014 #59

I wasn't intending to quit when I did, either. Mariana Mar 2014 #61

Blue ecigs advertise with Stephen Dorf. Tunkamerica Mar 2014 #153

I used to smoke cigs daily. Now I'll have maybe 1 or two a month at a most since e-cigs. Kurska Mar 2014 #25

You Don't Get It RobinA Mar 2014 #29

And CHILDREN! Think of the CHILDREN! LadyHawkAZ Mar 2014 #37

Not to sound preachy. Revanchist Mar 2014 #42

Right now I am having problems with my batteries... angstlessk Mar 2014 #71

i've been off cigs for two weeks now thanks to vaping fizzgig Mar 2014 #112

Some people seem to think Mariana Mar 2014 #115

i've been posting in the lounge about my journey fizzgig Mar 2014 #117

What a screwed up, dishonestly reported study. DirkGently Mar 2014 #51

Well, of course kids who drag on e cigs are going to become nicotine dependent, Captain Obvious Warpy Mar 2014 #60

will they? become addicted ? Tyhanna Mar 2014 #62

Addiction and dependence are two different animals Warpy Mar 2014 #74

Interestingly enough; they're not being marketed that way... Earth_First Mar 2014 #64

People are getting asthma attacks from second hand vapor!!! zappaman Mar 2014 #66

Asthma can be triggered by psychological stimuli LadyHawkAZ Mar 2014 #67

I remember when people said the exact same thing about cigarette smoke. pnwmom Mar 2014 #99

...and since the chemical composition and dissipation rates LadyHawkAZ Mar 2014 #104

You're putting words into my mouth. E-cigs are likely safer than cigarettes, pnwmom Mar 2014 #105

I have no problem with completely blocking the Chinese imports LadyHawkAZ Mar 2014 #107

You don't understand the significance of the vape pen. pnwmom Mar 2014 #109

The described process actually makes your point less valid LadyHawkAZ Mar 2014 #113

Perfume doesn't release heated nano-particles of metals in vapor streams into the air. pnwmom Mar 2014 #114

And once again, your concern is not for health issues LadyHawkAZ Mar 2014 #118

Breathing in nano-particles of metals is a health issue. So is breathing in nicotine. pnwmom Mar 2014 #120

Completely useless study Egnever Mar 2014 #80

E-cigs controversy is all about fear cig tax revenue in danger ErikJ Mar 2014 #97

They are successful cessation devices for some. Successful replacements for others. phleshdef Mar 2014 #98

I agree these are great devices for smokers. But not so great for non-smokers pnwmom Mar 2014 #100

I've always been polite, whether when I was smoking or when I'm vaping. phleshdef Mar 2014 #101

I'm glad you are polite about it, but if these things are allowed in shared public spaces pnwmom Mar 2014 #102

Silly article. They have never been marketed as such. Live and Learn Mar 2014 #103

They have certainly been promoted here, in countless posts, as such. pnwmom Mar 2014 #106

What does that have to do with marketing? Mariana Mar 2014 #108

individual testimony =/= marketing fizzgig Mar 2014 #116

It is not the first you have heard of it. Live and Learn Mar 2014 #143

Then it has gone through the approval process, just like the cigarettes and gum. pnwmom Mar 2014 #144

Are you seriously a big pharma advocate? Live and Learn Mar 2014 #146

No. I'm an advocate of the FDA, whose job it is to approve of the safety and efficacy pnwmom Mar 2014 #148

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vaping has reduced my cigarette smoking by 100 percent fizzgig Mar 2014 #111

It hasn't been officially tested Mariana Mar 2014 #119

i'm fine with it not being marketed as such fizzgig Mar 2014 #122

And I'm fine with you vaping it -- just not in shared indoor spaces. pnwmom Mar 2014 #134

no, you're only ok with e-cigs that don't contain nicotine fizzgig Mar 2014 #135

I"ve never said that. I don't want to be exposed to the off-gas or to have these things pnwmom Mar 2014 #136

yeah, you said you wouldn't have a problem with e-cigs that contained no nicotine fizzgig Mar 2014 #137

I was referring specifically to public spaces. But there's no way when you see a vape pen to know pnwmom Mar 2014 #138

that sub-thread had nothing to do with vaping in public places fizzgig Mar 2014 #139

Well, it did from my perspective. pnwmom Mar 2014 #140

so neither the post nor the sub-thread mentioned vaping in public fizzgig Mar 2014 #141

Then why don't all states ban the sale to minors, instead of just a handful? pnwmom Mar 2014 #142

Apparently those laws are not really necessary Live and Learn Mar 2014 #145

I'm not harassing any adult users. I support continuing the ban on pnwmom Mar 2014 #150

so lack of legislation = advocacy? fizzgig Mar 2014 #149

E-Cigarettes May Equal Nicotine Patches for Smoking Cessation krawhitham Mar 2014 #126

+1 nt Live and Learn Mar 2014 #147

You should make this into its own thread Revanchist Mar 2014 #151

They are much more effective. nt Bonobo Mar 2014 #154

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