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27. Remember Glass-Steagall?
Mon Mar 31, 2014, 10:13 AM
Mar 2014

"The AG works for the President. Obama needs no outside authority to order the AG to enforce the law."

It was repealed. Many of the immoral activities were crimes before the repeal of Glass-Steagall. I simply can't understand how people can acknowledge that repealing a law caused the problem, but not understand the the law was what made the activities illegal.

I've discussed this many times before. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002990749#post4

I'll repost the full comment here...

(This chart) shows that prosecutions started dropping after the repeal of Glass-Steagall, it also shows prosecutions, not convictions. It's also not conclusive because it doesn't state what specifically it includes and appears to be related to bank fraud. Here's the reference:



This category can refer to crimes committed both within and against banks. Defendants include bank executives who mislead regulators, mortgage brokers who falsify loan documents, and consumers who write bad checks. (Here are some recent cases of bank fraud prosecutions.)

Goldman Sachs is not a bank. Still, even if it is bank fraud, it does offer more evidence of Bush's "abysmal" record, as these prosecutions dropped significantly during his Presidency.

The following is from the Financial Institution Fraud and Failure Reports for each fiscal year.



http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/fiff_00-01




http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/fiff-2002

(b): Types of Subjects Convicted in FIF Cases During FY 2007*
SUBJECT TYPE NUMBER OF SUBJECTS
Legal Alien 8
Illegal Alien 20
All Other Subjects 1,038
Bank Officer 88
Bank Employee 179
International or National Union Officer 1
President 1
Business Manager 2
Office Manager 2
Financial Secretary 1
Federal Employee - GS 12 & Below 1
State - All Others 1
Local Law Enforcement Officer 1
City Councilman 1
Possible Terrorist Member or Sympathizer 1
Company or Corporation 7
Local - All Others 2
Total 1,354

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/fiff_06-07/fiff_06-07



http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/fiff_06-07/fiff_06-07

Given yhe above charts and the break out for 2007, it appears that most of the convictions were not bank executives. In fact, the majority were bank "outsiders," likely meaning more bad-check writers and document falsifiers.

Also, bank fraud is separate from corporate fraud, mortgage fraud, and securities and commodities fraud.

The following is from the Financial Crimes Report to the Public for each fiscal year:
(Note: The 2005 report does not break out securities and commodities fraud. The 2010-2011 report is the only one that breaks out financial institution fraud. All reports show corporate fraud and mortgage fraud.)

Through Fiscal Year 2005, cases pursued by the FBI resulted in 497 indictments and 317 convictions of corporate criminals. Numerous cases are pending plea agreements and trials. From July 1, 2002 through March 31, 2005, accomplishments regarding Corporate Fraud cases were as follows: $2.2 billion in Restitutions, $34.6 million in Recoveries, $79.1 million in Fines, and $27.9 million in Seizures. As Corporate Fraud statistical accomplishments were not provided before July 1, 2002, the following statistical accomplishments are reflective of this time frame through Second Quarter, Fiscal Year 2005.

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/fcs_report2005/fcs_2005#CORPORATE






http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/fcs_report2005/fcs_2005#MORTGAGE

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During FY 2006, the FBI investigated 490 Corporate Fraud cases resulting in 171 indictments and 124 convictions of corporate criminals. Numerous cases are pending plea agreements and trials. The following notable statistical accomplishments are reflective in FY 2006 for Corporate Fraud: $1.2 billion in Restitutions, $41.5 million in Recoveries, $14.2 million in Fines, and $62.6 million in Seizures. The chart below is reflective of the number of pending cases from FY 2002 through FY 2006.

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/fcs_report2006


During FY 2006, the FBI investigated 1165 cases of Securities and Commodities fraud and recorded 302 indictments and 164 convictions. Many of these Securities Fraud cases are pending plea agreements or trials. The following notable statistical accomplishments are reflective in FY 2006 for Securities and Commodities Fraud: $1.9 billion in Restitutions, $20.6 million in Recoveries, $80.7 million in Fines, and $62.7 million in Seizures. The chart below is reflective of the number of pending cases from FY 2002 through FY 2006.

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/fcs_report2006/financial-crimes-report-to-the-public-fiscal-year-2006#Securities


Through FY 2006, 818 cases investigated by the FBI resulted in 263 indictments and 204 convictions of Mortgage Fraud criminals. The following notable statistical accomplishments are reflective in FY 2006 for Mortgage Fraud: $388.9 million in Restitutions, $1.4 million in Recoveries, and $231 million in Fines. The chart below is reflective of the number of pending cases from FY 2003 through FY 2006.

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/fcs_report2006/financial-crimes-report-to-the-public-fiscal-year-2006#Mortgage


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Through FY 2007, cases pursued by the FBI resulted in 183 indictments and 173 convictions of corporate criminals. Numerous cases are pending plea agreements and trials. During Fiscal Year 2007, the FBI secured $12.6 billion in restitution orders and $38.6 million in fines from corporate criminals. The chart below reflects corporate fraud pending cases from Fiscal Year 2003 through Fiscal Year 2007 as follows: Fiscal Year 2003 - 279 cases; Fiscal Year 2004 - 332; Fiscal Year 2005 - 423; Fiscal Year 2006 - 486; and Fiscal Year 2008 - 529 cases.

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/fcs_report2007/fcr_2007#corporate


As of the end of Fiscal Year 2007, the FBI was investigating 1,217 cases of securities and commodities fraud and had already recorded 320 indictments and 289 convictions. Additional notable accomplishments in Fiscal Year 2007 include: $1.7 billion in restitution orders; $24 million in recoveries; and $202.7 million in fines. The chart below reflects securities and commodities fraud pending cases from Fiscal Year 2003 through Fiscal Year 2007 as follows: Fiscal Year 2003 - 937 cases; Fiscal Year 2004 - 987cases; Fiscal Year 2005 - 1,139 cases; Fiscal Year 2006 - 1,165 cases; and Fiscal Year 2007 - 1,217 cases.

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/fcs_report2007/fcr_2007#securities


Through Fiscal Year 2007, 1,204 cases resulted in 321 indictments and 260 convictions of mortgage fraud criminals. The following notable statistical accomplishments are reflective in Fiscal Year 2007 for mortgage fraud: $595.9 million in restitutions, $21.8 million in recoveries, and $1.7 in fines. The chart below reflects mortgage fraud pending cases from Fiscal Year 2003 through Fiscal Year 2007 as follows: Fiscal Year 2003 - 436 cases; Fiscal Year 2004 - 534 cases; Fiscal Year 2005 - 721 cases; Fiscal Year 2006 - 818 cases; and Fiscal Year 2007 - 1,204 cases.

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/fcs_report2007/fcr_2007#mortgage


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Through FY 2008, cases pursued by the FBI resulted in 158 indictments and 132 convictions of corporate criminals. Numerous cases are pending plea agreements and trials. During FY 2008, the FBI secured $8.1 billion in restitution orders and $199 million in fines from corporate criminals. The chart below reflects corporate fraud pending cases from FY 2004 through FY 2008 as follows: FY 2004—332 cases; FY 2005—423; FY 2006—486; FY 2007—529; and FY 2008—545 cases.

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/fcs_report2008/financial-crimes-report-to-the-public#corporate


As of the end of FY 2008, the FBI was investigating 1,210 cases of securities and commodities fraud and had already recorded 357 indictments and 296 convictions. Additional notable accomplishments in FY 2008 include: $3.1 billion in restitution orders; $43.6 million in recoveries; $151.4 million in fines and $84.2 million in seizures. The chart below reflects securities and commodities fraud pending cases from FY 2004 through FY 2008 as follows: FY 2004—987cases; FY 2005—1,139 cases; FY 2006—1,165 cases; FY 2007—1,217 cases and FY 2008—1,210 cases.

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/fcs_report2008/financial-crimes-report-to-the-public#securities


Through FY 2008, 1,644 cases resulted in 560 indictments and 338 convictions of mortgage fraud criminals. The following notable statistical accomplishments are reflective in FY 2008 for mortgage fraud: $1.1 billion in restitutions, $3.3 million in recoveries, $3.1 million in fines, and 68 seizures valued at $476.7 million. The chart below reflects mortgage fraud pending cases from FY 2004 through FY 2008 as follows: FY 2004—534 cases; FY 2005—721 cases; FY 2006—818 cases; FY 2007—1,204 cases; and FY 2008—1,644 cases.

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/fcs_report2008/financial-crimes-report-to-the-public#mortgage


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Through FY 2009, cases pursued by the FBI resulted in 153 indictments/informations and 156 convictions of corporate criminals. Numerous cases are pending plea agreements and trials. During FY 2009, the FBI secured $6.1 billion in restitution orders and $5.4 million in fines from corporate criminals. The chart below reflects corporate fraud pending cases from FY 2005 through FY 2009 as follows: FY 2005— 423 cases; FY 2006—486 cases; FY 2007—529 cases; FY 2008—545 cases; and FY 2009—592 cases.

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/financial-crimes-report-2009/financial-crimes-report-2009


As of the end of FY 2009, the FBI was investigating 1,510 cases of securities and commodities fraud and had already recorded 412 indictments/informations and 306 convictions. Additional notable accomplishments in FY 2009 include: $8.1 billion in restitution orders; $63.4 million in recoveries; $12.8 million in fines; and $126 million in seizures. The chart below reflects securities and commodities fraud pending cases from FY 2005 through FY 2009 as follows: FY 2005—1,139 cases; FY 2006—1,165 cases; FY 2007—1,217 cases; FY 2008—1,210 cases; and FY 2009— 1,510 cases.

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/financial-crimes-report-2009/financial-crimes-report-2009#securities


Through FY 2009, 2,794 cases resulted in 822 indictments and 494 convictions of mortgage fraud criminals. The following notable statistical accomplishments are reflective in FY 2009 for mortgage fraud: $2.5 billion in restitutions, $7.5 million in recoveries, and $58.4 million in fines; 128 seizures valued at $5.06 million and 226 criminal indicted assets valued at $510.1 million. The chart below reflects mortgage fraud pending cases from FY 2005 through FY 2009 as follows: FY 2005—721 cases; FY 2006—818 cases; FY 2007—1,204 cases; FY 2008—1,644 cases; and FY 2009—2,794 cases.

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/financial-crimes-report-2009/financial-crimes-report-2009#mortgage


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During FY 2011, cases pursued by the FBI resulted in 242 indictments/informations and 241 convictions of corporate criminals. Numerous cases are pending plea agreements and trials. During FY 2011, the FBI secured $2.4 billion in restitution orders and $16.1 million in fines from corporate criminals. The chart below reflects corporate fraud pending cases from FY 2007 through FY 2011.

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/financial-crimes-report-2010-2011/financial-crimes-report-2010-2011#Corporate


As of the end of FY 2011, the FBI was investigating 1,846 cases of securities and commodities fraud and had recorded 520 indictments/informations and 394 convictions against this criminal threat. Additional notable accomplishments in FY 2011 include: $8.8 billion in restitution orders; $36 million in recoveries; $113 million in fines; and $751 million in forfeitures. The chart below reflects securities and commodities fraud pending cases from FY 2007 through FY 2011.

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/financial-crimes-report-2010-2011/financial-crimes-report-2010-2011#Securities


During FY 2011, cases pursued by the FBI resulted in 521 informations and indictments, and 429 convictions of FIF criminals. The following are notable statistical accomplishments in FY 2011 for FIF: $1.38 billion in restitutions; $116.3 million in fines; and seizures valued at $15.7 million. The chart below reflects pending FIF cases from FY 2007 through FY 2011.

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/financial-crimes-report-2010-2011/financial-crimes-report-2010-2011#Financial-ins


Through FY 2011, FBI investigations resulted in 1,223 informations and indictments and 1,082 convictions of mortgage fraud criminals. The following notable statistical accomplishments are reflective in FY 2011 for mortgage fraud: $1.38 billion in restitutions; $116.3 million in fines; seizures valued at $15.7 million; and $7.33 million in forfeitures.

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/financial-crimes-report-2010-2011/financial-crimes-report-2010-2011#Mortgage


Pending cases are important because they can still result in convictions.

The fact is that prosecutions that could go forward did.

President Obama’s Financial Fraud Enforcement Task Force STRIKES AGAIN! $200 Million Fraud
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002844790

Former BofA Exec Indicted For Fraud
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002990749

Allen Stanford Convicted in Houston for Orchestrating $7 Billion Investment Fraud Scheme
http://www.stopfraud.gov/iso/opa/stopfraud/2012/12-crm-293.html

Former Chief Investment Officer of Stanford Financial Group Pleads Guilty to Obstruction of Justice
http://www.stopfraud.gov/iso/opa/stopfraud/2012/12-crm-785.html

Former Corporate Chairman of Consulting Firm and Board Director Rajat Gupta Found Guilty of Insider Trading in Manhattan Federal Court
http://www.stopfraud.gov/iso/opa/stopfraud/NYS-120615.html

Hedge Fund Founder Raj Rajaratnam Sentenced in Manhattan Federal Court to 11 Years in Prison for Insider Trading Crimes
http://www.stopfraud.gov/news/news-10132011.html

CEO and Head Trader of Bankrupt Sentinel Management Indicted in Chicago in Alleged $500 Million Fraud Scheme Prior to Firm’s 2007 Collapse
http://www.stopfraud.gov/iso/opa/stopfraud/ILN-120601.html

Yahoo! Executive and California Hedge Fund Portfolio Manager Plead Guilty in New York for Insider Trading
http://www.stopfraud.gov/iso/opa/stopfraud/NYS-120521.html

Three Former Financial Services Executives Convicted for Roles in Conspiracies Involving Investment Contracts for the Proceeds of Municipal Bonds
http://www.stopfraud.gov/iso/opa/stopfraud/2012/12-at-620.html

Former Chairman of Taylor, Bean & Whitaker Sentenced to 30 Years in Prison and Ordered to Forfeit $38.5 Million
http://www.stopfraud.gov/news/news-06302011-2.html
http://www.stopfraud.gov/iso/opa/stopfraud/2012/12-crm-342.html

Former Chief Financial Officer of Taylor, Bean & Whitaker Pleads Guilty to Fraud Scheme
http://www.stopfraud.gov/iso/opa/stopfraud/2012/12-crm-342.html

Seattle Investment Fund Founder Sentenced to 18 Years in Prison for Ponzi Scheme and Bankruptcy Fraud
http://www.stopfraud.gov/iso/opa/stopfraud/WAW-120210.html

Former Hedge Fund Managing Director Sentenced to 20 Years for Defrauding 900 Investors in $294 Million Scheme
http://www.stopfraud.gov/iso/opa/stopfraud/ILN-111117.html

Peter Madoff, Former Chief Compliance Officer and Senior Managing Director at Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities LLC, Pleads Guilty in New York to Securities Fraud and Tax Fraud Conspiracy
http://www.stopfraud.gov/iso/opa/stopfraud/NYS-1206291.html

Peter Madoff Is Sentenced to 10 Years for His Role in Fraud
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2012/12/20/peter-madoff-is-sentenced-to-10-years-for-his-role-in-fraud



I read this yesterday and loved it...K&R. monmouth3 Mar 2014 #1
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THAT'S what you got out of that post? Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #15
I like the way you think. n/t westerebus Mar 2014 #37
I've donated to Amanda Renteria. I'd look forward to her being in the House. NBachers Apr 2014 #147
I got the exact same thing. I don't see how one could not. cheapdate Apr 2014 #159
He's "weak" because of the R House treestar Mar 2014 #56
And in 08? quakerboy Apr 2014 #155
CA 21 is not like the others. Valadao reminds me of our Richard Pombo, who was tossed. NYC_SKP Mar 2014 #71
I didn't even know he was running again. Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #75
I read of a recent poll putting him ahead of Renteria. Maybe he's learned a lesson. NYC_SKP Mar 2014 #77
"Our number 1 priority is to make Barack Obama a one term president" Maraya1969 Mar 2014 #137
Well, aren't you just the little internet bad-ass. Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #139
Your posts make you look uninformed. eom Maraya1969 Apr 2014 #169
Must be in a time warp....I thought this was 2014 Ms. Toad Mar 2014 #14
Candidate/representative/politician/whatever. randome Mar 2014 #17
I agree. I care about who CAN get there, and who can get some things done versus Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #118
Obama is a candidate? ljm2002 Mar 2014 #129
Agree. Glitterati Mar 2014 #11
A well seasoned voter, posts a well thought out string of events Sheepshank Mar 2014 #97
ROFL! Hit home, I guess Glitterati Mar 2014 #103
That is not the gist of the post. ProSense Mar 2014 #13
Don't pout, ProSense, Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #16
LOL! See your initial comment. ProSense Mar 2014 #19
You've no idea what I want. Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #20
Yes, I do ProSense Mar 2014 #23
And then there's the rest of us who are wholly Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #26
"Binary thinking"? ProSense Mar 2014 #28
yeah...I think Pro Sense is right there ^^^^^ Sheepshank Mar 2014 #62
Seriously, that's what you got from this post? gtar100 Mar 2014 #39
Yes, that's exactly what I got from this post Glitterati Mar 2014 #43
I think that's a rather narrow viewpoint on the Op. gtar100 Mar 2014 #141
No it isn't treestar Mar 2014 #53
Then don't. Support Demorats with your eyes wide open and well informed. Auntie Bush Mar 2014 #116
Or bitch about everything they do so people will vote for the republican next time. Maraya1969 Mar 2014 #136
That's what you got out of that? cheapdate Apr 2014 #158
Please link to original post. GeorgeGist Mar 2014 #3
"... lack of Wall Street oversight is tantamount to economic malfeasance." Scuba Mar 2014 #5
I doubt anyone would disagree with that. randome Mar 2014 #6
I believe law enforcement works for the AG, who works at the pleasure of the President. Scuba Mar 2014 #22
And there is oversight treestar Mar 2014 #58
No, but ProSense Mar 2014 #10
The AG works for the President. Obama needs no outside authority to order the AG to enforce the law. Scuba Mar 2014 #24
Remember Glass-Steagall? ProSense Mar 2014 #27
Are you suggesting that no crimes were committed? Scuba Mar 2014 #30
No, and I provided links to several high-profile convictions. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #31
What's your excuse for the criminals who were not prosecuted? Scuba Mar 2014 #32
Please reread my comment, unless you want me to repost it. n/t ProSense Mar 2014 #35
Please don't repost it; DU's storage is stressed enough! But I can't find in there any excuse ... Scuba Mar 2014 #40
I'm fairly certain ProSense Mar 2014 #42
Any excuse for not criminally prosecuting the laundering of drug money, or is that legal now? Scuba Mar 2014 #44
So you want to focus on the one case you posted where HSBC was fined? ProSense Mar 2014 #46
Are you saying that laundering drug money is legal now that Glass-Steagall has been repealed? Scuba Mar 2014 #50
Silliness. The company was convicted and fined. You posted the link. ProSense Mar 2014 #54
Convicted of CIVIL, not CRIMINAL charges, fined a fraction of their gains. Scuba Mar 2014 #64
Here's what ProSense Mar 2014 #69
So if some were prosecuted and some were not... randome Mar 2014 #36
Yes. Gave one of them cufflinks too. Scuba Mar 2014 #38
So your main complaint is that Obama hasn't prosecuted enough people. randome Mar 2014 #76
I haven't ignored the good he has done. I just want more of it, and less malfeasance. Scuba Mar 2014 #79
Got it. randome Mar 2014 #94
Clearly, not mopping fast enough Sheepshank Mar 2014 #99
It is an incredible post mcar Mar 2014 #8
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I totally agree samplegirl Mar 2014 #18
What a rare gem for DU. JNelson6563 Mar 2014 #21
The analogy doesn't work for me marions ghost Mar 2014 #25
+1 Scuba Mar 2014 #34
Thank you albino65 Mar 2014 #29
Ahh, so you see where we are going..... Glitterati Mar 2014 #41
And who are you alerting? albino65 Mar 2014 #48
Why do you care? Glitterati Mar 2014 #49
And... albino65 Mar 2014 #52
would you please put me on ignore? Gosh that would be great. Thanks. Sheepshank Mar 2014 #102
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am I policing and alerting your posts? Sheepshank Mar 2014 #106
Post removed Post removed Mar 2014 #107
oh my....if I addressed you more directly would that speed things up? Sheepshank Mar 2014 #111
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K&R Whisp Mar 2014 #33
I could not have said it better! We must be of similar age . . Because I remember the Carter/Reagan Liberal In Red State Mar 2014 #45
Thank you, Johnny Ringo, for the trip down memory lane mountain grammy Mar 2014 #47
We should NOT be defensive nor discouraged from speaking up marions ghost Mar 2014 #82
No, we shouldn't, and I see plenty of dissent on this thread mountain grammy Mar 2014 #91
Way too much over-reaction to this marions ghost Mar 2014 #98
+1 nt F4lconF16 Mar 2014 #119
Our enemies aren't guessing.. mountain grammy Mar 2014 #125
I agree they are the enemy but marions ghost Mar 2014 #133
It wasn't just a "used car salesman". it was a piece of shit used car salesman" and "fuck you mr Cha Apr 2014 #166
You know what I find interesting????? Sheepshank Mar 2014 #105
So what? marions ghost Mar 2014 #109
do you actually think that those who counter anti Obama rhetoric Sheepshank Mar 2014 #113
Not the point marions ghost Mar 2014 #115
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this stg81 Mar 2014 #57
My disgust and disappointment in ronald reagan has not been tempered by time... Tikki Mar 2014 #59
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+++ marions ghost Mar 2014 #95
But over on the Cosmos thread some are criticizing the use of animation and f/x. Tikki Mar 2014 #100
My nine year old Loves Cosmos abelenkpe Mar 2014 #101
Everyone has there most important platform samplegirl Mar 2014 #130
So this UNION guy listened to the "malcontents"... ljm2002 Mar 2014 #61
Great Post Samplegirl. mikekohr Mar 2014 #63
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thanks, i would have missed this. BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2014 #65
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Have always seen... zentrum Mar 2014 #67
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Pretty much sums it up. freshwest Apr 2014 #161
I wonder how many presidental elections it will take Sheepshank Mar 2014 #70
Well written. To save others the time, here's a summary: "Vote Democrat anyway" Demo_Chris Mar 2014 #72
Thank you for reposting this. I, like so many others, missed it the first time around. There has okaawhatever Mar 2014 #73
"Not as bad" is piss poor advertising. "Not as bad" is piss poor governance. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #74
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Republicans behind unpopularity of all 3 presidents ErikJ Mar 2014 #81
Correct. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #84
Not the same. A bunch of hippie hating conservative Democrats voted for Reagan Zorra Mar 2014 #83
Well, ProSense Mar 2014 #86
Cenk Uygur used to be a Republican... ljm2002 Mar 2014 #134
Same here Zorra Doctor_J Mar 2014 #143
"I agree with them on everything, except in their futile exercise of voting for third party nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #162
Unrecommended completely. Enthusiast Mar 2014 #85
Agree completely. Glitterati Mar 2014 #87
Yup. Essentially another "sit down and shut up" post. Which I already read when it was first posted. Hissyspit Mar 2014 #144
it was a long winded way of saying liberals should stay in the closet becase pragmatic_dem Apr 2014 #154
I had the privilege of voting for both McGovern and Carter. Enthusiast Apr 2014 #163
"one of the prime reasons Nixon entered the Oval Office that year" A HERETIC I AM Mar 2014 #89
Thanks, samplegirl/JohnnyRingo. DinahMoeHum Mar 2014 #90
Huge K&R! Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #92
Yes, we need to be more specific and call for LIBERAL POLICIES, not just... polichick Mar 2014 #93
When Abbie Hoffman supported McGovern, he was vilified by his own. byronius Mar 2014 #96
It is because we have so few Liberals in government marions ghost Mar 2014 #114
Hold on there, a sec -- byronius Mar 2014 #120
Agree! mountain grammy Mar 2014 #126
C'mon... marions ghost Mar 2014 #132
excellent post , please make this an OP nt steve2470 Mar 2014 #124
Thank You!!! nt kelliekat44 Apr 2014 #152
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i bet carter did not have a cockblocking opposition thwarting any + all change, pansypoo53219 Mar 2014 #108
K&R kristopher Mar 2014 #110
In short RobertEarl Mar 2014 #112
Fantastic post. thucythucy Mar 2014 #117
So well written! Must read K&R B Calm Mar 2014 #121
My personal lessons from history: JDPriestly Mar 2014 #122
k&r nt steve2470 Mar 2014 #123
Kick Squinch Mar 2014 #127
Johnny brought me to D.U. samplegirl Mar 2014 #128
Love this, samplegirl! calimary Mar 2014 #131
I am a BIG JohnnyRingo fan. Have been for a long time Number23 Mar 2014 #135
Thank you UtahLib Mar 2014 #138
false equivalence, demanding a President do the right thing, re: spying, fracking, war, torture, etc pragmatic_dem Mar 2014 #140
Agreed. I will not vote conservative. GoneFishin Mar 2014 #142
thanks for have the courage to demand something better than what we have nt pragmatic_dem Apr 2014 #153
You make my point completely. JohnnyRingo Apr 2014 #146
Thanks for the reply, I talk about principals pragmatic_dem Apr 2014 #151
Yep. And I am not swayed by the meme that "a sliver of success is better than no success at all". GoneFishin Apr 2014 #167
The policies of the conservatives in this admin have moved the nation hard right for generations pragmatic_dem Apr 2014 #168
You are preaching to the choir. Sorry I did not make that clear. GoneFishin Apr 2014 #170
You're last sentence is deeply insulting JohnnyRingo Apr 2014 #171
On a final note... JohnnyRingo Apr 2014 #172
Thank you for the post. revmclaren Mar 2014 #145
I like the post. I can't handle the squabbling family disfunctional dinner table commentary. NBachers Apr 2014 #148
Thank you, samplegirl and JohnnyRingo! Cha Apr 2014 #156
Awesome! sheshe2 Apr 2014 #157
kick B Calm Apr 2014 #164
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