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Capt. Obvious

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152. And when they run

Reply to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #145)

Fri Apr 11, 2014, 08:26 AM

Apr 2014

you can become their ardent cheerleader treating any criticism of them as a personal affront.

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I'm sorry, guys. I can't get past her vote for the Iraq "war". [View all] elehhhhna Apr 2014 OP

She likes war. That is your answer. n-t Logical Apr 2014 #1

. Cooley Hurd Apr 2014 #2

I am assuming you are referring to the Secretary Hillary Clinton yeoman6987 Apr 2014 #3

A mistake is something that happens by accident. PassingFair Apr 2014 #303

She won't get my vote either--for that reason and others. Raksha Apr 2014 #354

Does that mean that you also think John Kerry can not be DURHAM D Apr 2014 #4

Secretaries of state aren't elected Scootaloo Apr 2014 #15

He is leading the effort to DURHAM D Apr 2014 #19

both KErry and Clinton are well liked in the international community JI7 Apr 2014 #21

Yes, I know. DURHAM D Apr 2014 #22

Vice Presidents are. Biden voted for the IWR too. n/t hughee99 Apr 2014 #200

Goddamn you guys keep doing this... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2014 #302

The question in the next primary may be a DEM who voted for the IWR vs hughee99 Apr 2014 #333

Funny you bring him up.... peace13 Apr 2014 #168

from what I remembered warrior1 Apr 2014 #5

The problem with your explanation Maedhros Apr 2014 #8

That's basically it laundry_queen Apr 2014 #25

and the people in the U.S. where MUCH different in those days.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #29

I'd agree with you if we were talking about Afghanistan laundry_queen Apr 2014 #34

But that is where BUSH took us to....She didn't vote FOR that..... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #39

Oh, c'mon, everyone knew what that vote meant. laundry_queen Apr 2014 #42

No not everyone did....and MOST Americans were convinced Iraq was involved AND had VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #53

Oh many of us remember the 'environment' quite well, which is why we hold those people went along PoliticAverse Apr 2014 #59

So ALL your fellow Americans that DID want revenge? That demanded it.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #140

Yes Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #150

If she didn't know what the vote meant then that's an even more damming. progressoid Apr 2014 #86

^^^^+1000 ^^^^ n/t slipslidingaway Apr 2014 #88

and that goes for you too....IF YOU know so much better.....why don't YOU run? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #143

Oh she KNEW better -- but it wasn't politically expedient for her to stand up and say so. Arugula Latte Apr 2014 #297

Oh so they knew that in advance of George Bush going into Iraq.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #298

Where did I say anything about ten years? Arugula Latte Apr 2014 #299

I agree with you that THAT war was an atrocity...BUT Hillary Clinton and other Democrats VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #305

9-11 was NOT given as an official explanation to Congress re: Iraq -- it was the Arugula Latte Apr 2014 #312

The vote gave the President the authority.....that is all.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #141

Iraq attacked us on 9/11? progressoid Apr 2014 #216

did I say that? No I did not.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #292

Ok, let me review. progressoid Apr 2014 #313

EXCUSE ME....I don't need you to tell me WHAT I know... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #321

Are you effing kidding me?! Arugula Latte Apr 2014 #266

and Hindsight is 20/20... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #293

Since you are SOOOO much smarter than our politicians.....why don't YOU run for office VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #142

Why don't you run Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #151

Because I LIKE the Democratic choices..... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #258

That's what I keep telling the Dalai Lama too! progressoid Apr 2014 #217

No it isn't...If you are going to demand better candidates...and YOU HATE VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #260

Who said I HATE the ones we have? Every thing isn't black or white. progressoid Apr 2014 #267

this is beyond critical....this is downright dismissal of one of the most electable VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #308

It's not dismaissal, it's political debate. progressoid Apr 2014 #317

No in this thread she is being summarily dismissed.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #319

I'm not throwing out ALL the Democrats. progressoid Apr 2014 #325

You cannot JUST hold that vote against ONE of them then....that is hypocritical... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #326

I don't. They're all guilty. progressoid Apr 2014 #327

Unfortunately the media didn't do its job .. those that spoke out .. were shamed and > YOHABLO Apr 2014 #137

Then those who have such good instincts.....and are demanding better candidates.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #145

And when they run Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #152

Hahahaha! +1 beerandjesus Apr 2014 #199

And when are YOU running funny man? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #263

No I happen to LIKE the Democrats....is that a problem for you? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #262

So we shouldn't express an opinion unless we are running for office. Arugula Latte Apr 2014 #296

No but you should have some alternative plans....that COULD work.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #323

My alternative plan to invading Iraq and shock & aweing Iraqis to death was: Don't invade! Arugula Latte Apr 2014 #339

Total bullshit. PassingFair Apr 2014 #306

uhhhh VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #322

Uhhhhh....what's your point? PassingFair Apr 2014 #330

Well she wanted it in 2008 too krawhitham Apr 2014 #276

Bob Kerrey, Evan Bayh, Lieberman were on the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq deutsey Apr 2014 #158

This is the heart of the matter. Do we want our government to run by and for the benefit of the001% Vincardog Apr 2014 #207

No problem deutsey Apr 2014 #230

i knew it was all BS RedstDem Apr 2014 #24

I knew it was BS too. The first time I heard Bush babble the name "IRAQ" I knew he was pulling GoneFishin Apr 2014 #84

That juicy stuff probably made it much less clear. jeff47 Apr 2014 #112

of course it was - and many many of us knew it - I left the D party within an hour of that shameful DrDan Apr 2014 #147

past President Bill Clinton had access to juicy stuff Whisp Apr 2014 #193

95 percent of us on this site knew it. Arugula Latte Apr 2014 #300

Very Vanilla selective memory. Strange for an "underground" participant and NOT Progressive at ALL. PassingFair Apr 2014 #309

Thank you! Arugula Latte Apr 2014 #310

My pleasure! PassingFair Apr 2014 #316

I dont' think so.. sendero Apr 2014 #48

I was in rapt attention precisely because I was fascinated by the entire ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2014 #50

It's not even a question of "WMD's" Hippo_Tron Apr 2014 #75

Zero public evidence. jeff47 Apr 2014 #114

Plenty of people BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #117

Those who were receiving classified briefings did. jeff47 Apr 2014 #122

There is way too much revisionist history on this from those who want to criticize Democrats stevenleser Apr 2014 #176

So why did most Congressional Democrats vote "no"? MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #270

YOU FORGOT POLAND elehhhhna Apr 2014 #284

Poland is separate from the UN Security Council vote. The whole "New Europe" vs "Old Europe" stevenleser Apr 2014 #285

That's a George Bush quote. PassingFair Apr 2014 #311

Probably. I still think what I wrote is correct. nt stevenleser Apr 2014 #328

It's a George Bush quote, and you listed the "Coalition of the Coerced". PassingFair Apr 2014 #331

You aren't making any sense at this point. nt stevenleser Apr 2014 #336

Bob Graham chaired the intelligence committee, he looked at the classified "evidence" and voted no Hippo_Tron Apr 2014 #240

Much of the Sen intelligence committee voted Yea, because the evidence was equivocal either way stevenleser Apr 2014 #278

So it's okay to hand absolute war powers over to man hell bent on an invasion... Hippo_Tron Apr 2014 #335

They werent absolute in any sense of the word. Limited to Iraq and contingent on conditions that stevenleser Apr 2014 #337

Enlighten me, what conditions demanded by the IWR were not present at the time of the invasion? Hippo_Tron Apr 2014 #341

Its in the article I wrote which I linked in my #176 above. nt stevenleser Apr 2014 #342

I read your article, I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding about how war powers work Hippo_Tron Apr 2014 #345

I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding about the IWR. stevenleser Apr 2014 #346

Security Council Resolution 1441 did not authorize the use of force Hippo_Tron Apr 2014 #347

I didnt say 1441 did. And neither condition of IWR was met and demonstrably so. stevenleser Apr 2014 #348

Again, presidential finding means the president can find whatever the hell he wants... Hippo_Tron Apr 2014 #349

No matter how many times you repeat incorrect information, it will not make it right. stevenleser Apr 2014 #350

The conditions were not subject to any legislative or judicial review Hippo_Tron Apr 2014 #356

There was plenty of reason not to fall for it. Hissyspit Apr 2014 #62

But Hillary Clinton had just moved out of the White House. JDPriestly Apr 2014 #73

Hillary, Iran, Code Pink and Cookies: Whisp Apr 2014 #194

Thanks but I got a message that the video no longer exists. Thanks again for the information. JDPriestly Apr 2014 #206

not ALL Democrats fell for it hfojvt Apr 2014 #133

I personally dont think Mrs Clinton would be the best candidate darkangel218 Apr 2014 #353

The Democrats knew what Bush was up to. joshcryer Apr 2014 #138

"I guess you have to ask yourself, would you prefer a republican in the WH." Martin Eden Apr 2014 #221

"bush cooked the books and the democrats fell fot it." bvar22 Apr 2014 #222

Anyone who fell for Bush's lies when most sentient people KNEW they were lying, is likely to make sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #290

EVERYONE??!!! Goddamn apologist speak WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2014 #314

I get that, but I am curious how you voted in 2004. cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #6

I waiting for explaining as well. Whisp Apr 2014 #7

She's never apologized or admitted her vote was a mistake. BlueStater Apr 2014 #9

yes she did - she said it was a mistake OKNancy Apr 2014 #237

I look at our state politics in Michigan and I can see why. PassingFair Apr 2014 #315

and your alternative? randys1 Apr 2014 #10

Thus why we have primaries, Dear Randy. Scootaloo Apr 2014 #17

amen. Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2014 #215

Alternative, you say? 99Forever Apr 2014 #20

EVERY ONE of them are extremely risky against Republicans VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #33

Extremely risky against Republicans? BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #97

Yes. YES. 840high Apr 2014 #60

They would never win the election! Auntie Bush Apr 2014 #70

I simply don't agree. 99Forever Apr 2014 #87

Elizabeth will one day be a contender. Adrahil Apr 2014 #156

I met many prognosticators. 99Forever Apr 2014 #244

I'm just giving my honest opinion. Like anyone, I can be wrong. Adrahil Apr 2014 #329

nominating them Niceguy1 Apr 2014 #134

6 Years ago a Junior Senator who also happened to be a SomethingFishy Apr 2014 #172

Exactly. 99Forever Apr 2014 #245

YES! laundry_queen Apr 2014 #318

...who, as people her point out, ran as a mainstream Liberal Democrat brooklynite Apr 2014 #279

I think they were asking for any alternatives the voters... Walk away Apr 2014 #205

I see what you did there. 99Forever Apr 2014 #242

''I dont like her either, she is a rightwing Dem but then so is Obama'' Whisp Apr 2014 #45

Nobody around here is going to vote for a Republican OwnedByCats Apr 2014 #89

Not voting at all is effectively a vote for the Republican. jeff47 Apr 2014 #120

Yeah that was my point at the end OwnedByCats Apr 2014 #123

No, it's not. Not voting, or voting 3rd party, deprives both establishment parties a vote. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #231

-1 D vote has the same effect as +1 R vote. jeff47 Apr 2014 #265

And, - 1 R vote has the same effect in reverse. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #269

If we weren't in a two party system, that would be true. jeff47 Apr 2014 #289

The vast majority of Congressional Democrats voted against the war MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #11

so why don't you support someone else ? or not vote for her ? JI7 Apr 2014 #12

I can't get over the Sniper Fire story myself Politicalboi Apr 2014 #13

Leider hast du Recht. Jackpine Radical Apr 2014 #14

and she got her daughter talking the same lie. Whisp Apr 2014 #16

This video is a real problem. Raine1967 Apr 2014 #83

Well ...our liars are better than theirs. L0oniX Apr 2014 #189

Hillary is not pure enough Gman Apr 2014 #18

She is not the Savior and hero the Lefty of the Leftiest are looking for.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #35

Or maybe people just have no intention of forgetting that horrible lapse of judgment Hissyspit Apr 2014 #67

They turned on Obama less than 48 hrs Gman Apr 2014 #90

Actually BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #100

That's not an issue of purity. Hissyspit Apr 2014 #64

Hillary Clinton is the only Democratic candidate who could be Texas in play Gothmog Apr 2014 #233

Since I'm in Texas if love to see it Gman Apr 2014 #234

There is nothing to explain. She's just another mask LittleBlue Apr 2014 #23

It's so nice to see..... sendero Apr 2014 #49

Me either. Been there, done that too many times already. Raksha Apr 2014 #355

It is hard I agree but I will vote for her. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #26

Why apologize? Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #27

Hillary's seemingly corporatist leanings have worried me. idendoit Apr 2014 #28

Either she was playing 3rd Way"pragmatic" politics or too stupid to realize Bush was lying. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #30

too bad you are so self-focused on one vote chillfactor Apr 2014 #31

I wonder sometimes at that "Democrat" part.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #37

I think her 4 years as SOS shows who she is. WhiteTara Apr 2014 #32

For what it's worth... yallerdawg Apr 2014 #36

RE: "did not really mean to authorize war." Maedhros Apr 2014 #44

Regardless of how Hillary voted... yallerdawg Apr 2014 #52

Indeed, there are many reasons. Maedhros Apr 2014 #78

Bush tricked us all yallerdawg Apr 2014 #96

Speak for yourself. Maedhros Apr 2014 #125

I Got Past It otohara Apr 2014 #38

If she is the party nominee, will you vote for her? hack89 Apr 2014 #40

For me the answer is Generic Other Apr 2014 #57

So you will stay at home. Ok. Nt hack89 Apr 2014 #58

Yes. I will stay home Generic Other Apr 2014 #71

Can't be any worse than a tea bagger president, , right? Nt hack89 Apr 2014 #72

Yeah it can be Generic Other Apr 2014 #74

Agreed. It's insidiously divisive too. I think there would be negligible support for NSA spying, GoneFishin Apr 2014 #92

This is an excellent point. nt woo me with science Apr 2014 #220

I'm sure that will be comforting when Medicare goes away. (nt) jeff47 Apr 2014 #104

That threat doesn't seem to go away even under Democrats Generic Other Apr 2014 #165

Then I think you're foolish. Winning elections MATTERS. NT Adrahil Apr 2014 #157

I am foolish? Generic Other Apr 2014 #167

Frankly, yes. Adrahil Apr 2014 #170

Barbara Bush gushes about Bill Clinton, says he treats George H. W. Bush like a father Generic Other Apr 2014 #173

Fuck no! L0oniX Apr 2014 #185

Will you vote or stay at home? nt hack89 Apr 2014 #186

No one is going to force me to vote for a corporatist war hawk from any party. L0oniX Apr 2014 #188

Who mentioned force? Just wondering what you will do with your vote. nt hack89 Apr 2014 #192

Keep wondering. L0oniX Apr 2014 #208

No problem hack89 Apr 2014 #210

I always vote. I vote for the most progressive candidate on the ballot. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #232

So who donco Apr 2014 #41

Her comments about Gaddafi got to me. Octafish Apr 2014 #43

Ah, man! Your CDS is just making you take that out of context shanemcg Apr 2014 #106

It's just common fashion sense. Octafish Apr 2014 #254

Oh, almost forgot the Wikileaks revelations shanemcg Apr 2014 #268

The late Mutassim Billah Gaddafi. Octafish Apr 2014 #277

Yes...Here is the Video of "We Came, We Saw, He Died..... KoKo Apr 2014 #177

that comment was made by a tone deaf Idiot! Whisp Apr 2014 #195

It's like human life didn't matter. Octafish Apr 2014 #255

that's kinda spooky rumdude Apr 2014 #261

I'm sure you will if it's between her and some republican. aikoaiko Apr 2014 #46

Because we suck less. L0oniX Apr 2014 #187

Yes, and sometimes we actually do truly good things. aikoaiko Apr 2014 #190

I can't get past her Walmart work krawhitham Apr 2014 #47

Over 20 years ago when her husband was the Governor OKNancy Apr 2014 #235

"I'm always proud of Wal-Mart and what we do and the way we do it better than anybody else" krawhitham Apr 2014 #275

just saw this... a few errors in that list OKNancy Apr 2014 #283

It's a fool's mission to act as if she is our only alternative to a Republican. PassingFair Apr 2014 #320

never said she voted for THEM I quoted where she voted for CLOTURE krawhitham Apr 2014 #343

if a repub wins the WH, expect war with Iran. JoePhilly Apr 2014 #51

Or Hillary for that matter shanemcg Apr 2014 #108

Yea, not happening. JoePhilly Apr 2014 #144

So, to stand on your principle, you'll never vote for her... brooklynite Apr 2014 #54

Then deal with this Generic Other Apr 2014 #76

And in the real world, a larger number supported her... brooklynite Apr 2014 #77

Well then it won't matter Generic Other Apr 2014 #81

Excellent point. BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #95

In the aggregate, certainly the OPs vote is meaningless as to whether she wins or loses.. brooklynite Apr 2014 #139

Who enables the right now? Generic Other Apr 2014 #162

+1000. GoneFishin Apr 2014 #85

Did you vote for Kerry in 2004? BainsBane Apr 2014 #55

There were a lot of threads about Kerry's vote back then. nt laundry_queen Apr 2014 #169

Wheras lately I've seen threads talking about how admirable he is BainsBane Apr 2014 #211

yeah, lately laundry_queen Apr 2014 #229

I voted for Nader in 2004. beerandjesus Apr 2014 #203

k/r she voted "with conviction" nationalize the fed Apr 2014 #56

Yes, it is hard to overlook that OwnedByCats Apr 2014 #101

That vote should make anyone uncomfortable for her to babysit their kids cpwm17 Apr 2014 #148

the democrats were blackmailed by 9/11 fever. georgee POLITICIZED WAR, pansypoo53219 Apr 2014 #61

Yeah. moondust Apr 2014 #63

I can't either. Anyone who voted for that war 20score Apr 2014 #65

I don't think she wanted war. to me, her crime was believing Bush and Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2014 #66

It's a big problem for me, too. Warren DeMontague Apr 2014 #68

Very good points. GoneFishin Apr 2014 #93

BENGHAZI!!!!!!!! errr, I mean IRAQ WAR!!!!!! jazzimov Apr 2014 #69

Are you seriously trying to conflate objections to votes for the Iraq War Resolution Maedhros Apr 2014 #79

Yes, because there IS NO DIFFERENCE. jazzimov Apr 2014 #246

If you really believe that, then good luck to you. Maedhros Apr 2014 #248

Exactly. not just 'many' members of the UN, 15-0 vote in the Security council on stevenleser Apr 2014 #294

Ignorant comment BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #98

Disgustingly absurd comparison. Shameless. Brainless. Fucking way lame and desperate. TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #129

"I am rubber, you are glue!" jazzimov Apr 2014 #247

Nope, you are the one who made the comparison not me. My assessment of said comparison TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #272

I simply hope that she learned from her mistake. Raine1967 Apr 2014 #80

Couple of things: First, a majority of Senate Dems voted for the IWR. And Obama? Skip Intro Apr 2014 #82

Then vote for a different Dem. Iggo Apr 2014 #91

I did a video about her in the heat of the Obama/Clinton primary Oilwellian Apr 2014 #94

I won't vote for her BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #99

I can't either. madaboutharry Apr 2014 #102

I can't get past Aerows Apr 2014 #103

Well. You have 2 and half more years bluestateguy Apr 2014 #105

Simple Question... Jeff In Milwaukee Apr 2014 #107

False dichotomy much, Jeff? 99Forever Apr 2014 #146

False Dichotomy not at all... Jeff In Milwaukee Apr 2014 #161

Nonsense. 99Forever Apr 2014 #163

+1 deutsey Apr 2014 #166

Enjoy the Cruz Administration Jeff In Milwaukee Apr 2014 #197

Golly gee... 99Forever Apr 2014 #243

I don't even know what the hell you're talking about... Jeff In Milwaukee Apr 2014 #280

Just had to get all gutter-mouther and insulting, didn't you Jeff? 99Forever Apr 2014 #281

Thanks for the snark and the homophobia Jeff In Milwaukee Apr 2014 #286

Okay Jeff. 99Forever Apr 2014 #295

Gore would not have invaded Iraq, Bush was hell bent on it. JoePhilly Apr 2014 #225

I can't either, and I won't.... mike_c Apr 2014 #109

Then vote against her in the primary. jeff47 Apr 2014 #110

Ugh BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #113

I am being utterly real. jeff47 Apr 2014 #116

That really depends BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #119

If you bother to read the post you replied to jeff47 Apr 2014 #121

Honestly BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #124

and I am not buying your moralistic implication that if Hillary is the nominee you would not vote lostincalifornia Apr 2014 #130

What? BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #149

It is up to those who are Democrats, and those Democrats to select their candidate for President. lostincalifornia Apr 2014 #178

Nope BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #204

The fact remains it is the repuke sc judges that have given free lostincalifornia Apr 2014 #218

Strawman argument BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #241

We will see about that lostincalifornia Apr 2014 #249

If Democrats have any desire not to have corporate governance and warmongering we wouldn't nominate TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #135

Then go start your own party lostincalifornia Apr 2014 #219

Why do I need to do any such thing. You turd way suicide packers should have started your own party TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #271

back at you bud, I voted for George McGovern in my first election, and have voted for the most lostincalifornia Apr 2014 #274

St. Ronnie himself, Dick Nixon, Barry Goldwater, and even William F. Buckley all compare TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #307

I understand. I haven't reached that stage yet, probably never will, though it does gripe me that lostincalifornia Apr 2014 #334

I wouldn't read much of anything into electing a Democratic Governor at all, it is almost always TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #340

Ok, I guess I am unfortunately delusional lostincalifornia Apr 2014 #351

Not at all. Just optimistic and persistent in hope. That is needed too. TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #352

really, and you think not voting for the Democratic nominee is ok lostincalifornia Apr 2014 #128

I can't get past the surge in Afghanistan. rug Apr 2014 #111

She has no vision BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #115

aaand here comes the rising swill of "voting to allow invasion of Iraq doesn't mean voting to ALLOW MisterP Apr 2014 #118

If Hillary becomes the nominee, and someone.decides that on the IWR lostincalifornia Apr 2014 #126

Worse, I have difficulty believing she wouldn't do it again. nt Union Scribe Apr 2014 #127

It is an "Out, damned spot! out, I say!" sort of situation, isn't it? Kablooie Apr 2014 #131

Well then don't get behind her. It's your choice whom to support The Second Stone Apr 2014 #132

voting for people like Clinton preserves the status quo of giving the 1%ers complete control. politicman Apr 2014 #136

^^^this^^^ L0oniX Apr 2014 #184

Exactly. nt Nay Apr 2014 #201

+1 mike_c Apr 2014 #226

stinky rubbish. Whisp Apr 2014 #264

I can't either. Borchkins Apr 2014 #153

Sherrod Brown JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #154

Did you support John Kerry in 2004? nt boston bean Apr 2014 #155

I did.. peace13 Apr 2014 #175

Agreed. Puglover Apr 2014 #159

PRESIDENT TED CRUZ THANKS YOU!!!1! Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #164

Oh geez...shoo. Puglover Apr 2014 #179

That unwise vote cost her the previous election and may well do so again. It display a mindset that ladjf Apr 2014 #160

Does anyone remember when.... peace13 Apr 2014 #171

And she ran a sleazy, dishonest campaign cpwm17 Apr 2014 #198

Then don't vote for her, for chrissakes.... scheming daemons Apr 2014 #174

It is *so rude* when people have "principles". It's just a few million dead! Romulox Apr 2014 #182

Well put. It's pathetic. stevenleser Apr 2014 #196

Actually it's about the hundreds of thousands of people that were killed JoeyT Apr 2014 #212

so i assume this means you will not vote for her no matter what, because i would not vote for JI7 Apr 2014 #239

it's about feeling morally superior without doing anything, just the fact they come on a Democratic JI7 Apr 2014 #238

"innocents being killed and other shit" Boreal Apr 2014 #273

My goodness, but the "centrists" are sputtering on this thread! Romulox Apr 2014 #180

We are not known for being a nation of peace! L0oniX Apr 2014 #181

Guys--we are *known* for killing lots of people. So it's fine. Hillary '16! nt Romulox Apr 2014 #183

She is a politician gvstn Apr 2014 #191

Oh, you're not "sorry" at all. nt MADem Apr 2014 #202

Got past it easily, but everyone is different. You are welcome to feel that way. Xyzse Apr 2014 #209

Drive-by thread. The OP hasn't replied to a single post in her thread...... scheming daemons Apr 2014 #213

Yep that's a sure sign Lex Apr 2014 #214

I can explain it. Torture is A-OK, as is perma-war in "the homeland". Corruption Inc Apr 2014 #223

Well then don't vote for her. tavernier Apr 2014 #224

If all of us thought like you we'd all throw in the towel upaloopa Apr 2014 #227

elehhhhna... NCTraveler Apr 2014 #228

John Edwards was swayed by a humanitarian impulse OKNancy Apr 2014 #236

Then vote for someone else. Beacool Apr 2014 #250

Exactly. I don't know what is with this cathartic garbage that some feel the need to proclaim who lostincalifornia Apr 2014 #251

I don't know what is with this cathartic garbage that some feel the need ... 99Forever Apr 2014 #252

They go on ad nauseam as if she's the devil incarnate. Beacool Apr 2014 #253

Oh come on BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #256

I guess you and your aviator know about doctrinaire lostincalifornia Apr 2014 #259

My aviator? BlindTiresias Apr 2014 #324

Lol, ya got me, I won't correct it lostincalifornia Apr 2014 #332

I am sorry gals but I just can't get past posts like this lostincalifornia Apr 2014 #257

2008 WovenGems Apr 2014 #282

hey, i just read on another thread she is "populist leaning"! m-lekktor Apr 2014 #287

No apology required rock Apr 2014 #288

I can't either Carolina Apr 2014 #291

300 replies later, I will vote for her. Rex Apr 2014 #301

I'll be holding my nose if I have to vote for her in 2016 NobodyHere Apr 2014 #304

Agree Miguel Guate Apr 2014 #338

She likes etablishment behind wars. mylye2222 Apr 2014 #344