Why are you people trying to start a war that no one will win? [View all]

[Savannahmann]

I ask this in all honesty. I've been thinking about it for a week now. You people are out of your fucking minds. Let's begin with the Bundy Ranch shall we? What we were dealing with was not a Tea Party nut, nor a RW Tool, but a Sovereign Citizen. But so many here were foolish, and so many more in the media, and even Harry Reid was an idiot just a couple days ago.

The handful of nuts of the Sovereign Citizen movement have been praying for this day, when their fringe beliefs were associated in the mainstream media and especially by the Political Elite with RW idealism.

I've read several people on this site who suggested that these RW types would crap their pants if the shooting started. Some even put forth the story that Bundy was planning on using women as a human shield. Guys, you have no idea what you are dealing with. You have no fucking idea what you're up against, and you were clamoring for a bloodbath in the hopes it would teach the world a lesson and be rid of a few RW Gun nuts.

Look at the pictures again. Look at the video again. The "militia" types were wearing the same kind of body armor that the Agents wear. Some were even wearing better armor.



See the guy with the cowboy hat? His vest can be found here. http://www.ar500armor.com/operator-ii-plate-carrier-w-armor-and-pouches-coyote.html#.U1QRtMjD-M8

That vest will stop any rifle round short of a .50 Cal BMG round. That by the way tends to be much better than the class 3A armor worn by police. Those vests will stop only pistol rounds.

But so many of you were clamoring for a show of force, to show them who was boss. But what if the Federal Agents would have lost? Have you considered that? No, you all figured that at the first round the RW types would crap their pants and surrender.

The thing is this, a bunch of those militia guys are Veterans. That means the Government trained them to fight too. With more than a decade of Afghanistan and Iraq we have hundreds of thousands, even millions of Vets with combat experience. You have to assume that some of them were there, and they know how to fight, and they've done it in the past.

But either way the "war" turned out it would be a win for the RW. If the Federal Agents did win, they would have martyrs and video of the fighting for weeks of watching on You Tube. The Sovereign Citizen's would see a boost in their membership, and that's the last thing any of us need. Democrats would take an even bigger hit in the polls because it's our side out there demanding that the Federal Government get tough with a rancher.

But let's say for the sake of argument that you got your massacre. Then what? Every nut who knew someone there would be looking for revenge. They don't need the internet to organize, they are already organized gang. We'd have a civil war as we're going into an election season. Oh you could cancel the election, if you really wanted to throw fuel on the fire.

I don't know who at the BLM made the decision. Whoever it was, has my respect. Because they were smarter than just about all of you here. They recognized that if they continued they would be lucky to pull out a Pyhrric victory, and if they were unlucky, they would have lost the first battle of the second civil war.

Because either way it turned out, the population would be even more upset at the Federal Government. One of our users here posted a thread that we didn't have the forces to fight in the Ukraine against Russia. How many troops would we have for a domestic war? As soon as President Obama declared martial law, the war would be on and it would be one where everyone lost. By the time the dust settled, there wouldn't be a United States any more. There wouldn't be any group strong enough to maintain control over the entire nation, and if you think the Military or National Guard is plenty strong enough, think again. There are more than 300 million people in this nation. I doubt that you could field ten million including law enforcement and military organizations. So entire swaths of the nation would be lost, and what then? Ask for help from Foreign Militaries? Drive a few more into the ranks of the rebels why don't you?

I'm starting to wonder what planet you people live on, because you have no idea what is going on here on Earth. There is a movement called the 3%. These people are of the opinion that the Revolutionary War was won when 3% of the population was involved. Now many of you will decide that this is a real fringe movement.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_nkw=3+percenter&_frs=1 Yep, pretty fringe gang. http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=iii#/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=3+percenter&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3A3+percenter

So the next time you people are out there clamoring for the authorities to teach someone a lesson. Try and figure out what you're talking about, so the ones learning the lesson isn't us. Because this crap with the Bundy Ranch could blow up in our faces very quickly, and most of you are utterly clueless about what is going on because all you do is read other Liberals sites where you fantasize about how popular Democrats are and how fringe the RW is.

Limbaugh isn't failing in the radio business because he's too radical. He's failing because he's not radical enough for the RW today. They can get much more rhetoric from a number or sites on the web than they can from Limbaugh. Republicans are about to take the Senate Back, and besides denouncing those who warn you that the polling is showing this disastrous outcome, you all are just bouncing up and down because with Obamacare we're popular again. I read History, a lot of history. Do you want to know why the Pearl Harbor attack was successful? It wasn't because of a failure of intelligence to share information. Nor the failures of the commanders. It was ego plain and simple. We couldn't imagine the Japanese who we considered to be backward and buck toothed glasses wearing imbeciles being able to pull off such an attack. Even after the Battleships were sunk and burning we spent years pretending that the only way that the Japanese could pull it off was with help from the Nazi Germans.

I see the same mentality today, the idea that "they" wouldn't dare, and if they did, so much the better for us. The last thing we need is for anything to unite these people. So stop thinking that it's going to be easy to teach them a lesson. These folks are dangerous, and we need to keep them separate where the threat is one from various individuals, that we can deal with carefully and quietly. But a shootout in Nevada would have sparked a civil war, and nobody would have won that.