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In reply to the discussion: Nothing worse for the Democratic Party or the United States than the spying apologists who [View all]jeff47
(26,549 posts)2. Nah, there is something worse
That's all the Democrats who attack other Democrats for doing something they did not do.
Such as this lie:
the spying apologists who believe Americans cannot be trusted to use the internet and live our lives without an NSA chaperone.
I realize this is a very appealing lie. You can rage against it instead of dealing with the pesky reality of SCOTUS decisions, and the details of what was actually leaked.
But that doesn't make it true. And bashing people for a lie you like does not help. Either with fixing the problem, or electing more Democrats so we can fix the problem. Because you can not fix a problem when you lie about it.
Snowden, Manning, et al have so far leaked one program that spied on US persons. One. The phone metadata program. Every other leaked program targeted a non-US person. Non-US Persons do not have any constitutional rights. Even when they are Chancellor of Germany. If the NSA was really doing massive spying on US persons, how come they didn't leak a second program? Possibly even a third?
The phone metadata program fits nicely under an overly-broad 1979 SCOTUS ruling that made your phone metadata no more private than what you ordered the last time you went to a resturaunt. Or bought at the grocery store. Or any other routine business record.
To fix it, we need a new law from Congress. Sure, the President could tell the NSA to stop, but that won't stop future presidents. More importantly, it won't stop private spying - your phone metadata is available to anyone willing to buy it.
Appealing lies will not get us that fix.
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Nothing worse for the Democratic Party or the United States than the spying apologists who [View all]
pragmatic_dem
Apr 2014
OP
While I agree with you that the NSA and the other progeny of the Patriot Act
Swede Atlanta
Apr 2014
#1
how many attacks have been prevented by monitoring Chancellor Merkel's private phone conversations?
frylock
Apr 2014
#3
so what was to be gained by monitoring Chancellor Merkel's personal phone calls?
frylock
Apr 2014
#19
But..but...they're doing it to protect freedom and democracy....oh, wait.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Apr 2014
#4
I doubt any have ever participated with Greenpeace, Veterans For Peace, OWS, the Quakers etc.
G_j
Apr 2014
#7
100% false, just like a global warming denier claiming Earth is actually cooling, NSA spying
pragmatic_dem
Apr 2014
#34
In May of 2002, DU was pretty unified in its opposition to the NSA's revelation that all incoming an
LanternWaste
Apr 2014
#31
Really? Democractic Party leadership endorsement for spending 100s of billions on citizen
pragmatic_dem
Apr 2014
#37