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15. Maybe Candidate-for-President Clinton should ask Mr Thomas Drake how the
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 07:32 PM
Apr 2014

Whistleblower protection thing-ee plays out:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/11/us-usa-security-nsa-drake-idUSBRE95A12X20130611

From the Reuters article above:
Thomas Drake is one of the few people who understands from personal experience what the future may hold for Edward Snowden, the 29-year-old former NSA contractor who exposed the U.S. government's top secret phone and Internet surveillance programs.

His advice for Snowden: "Be lawyered up to the max and find a place where it's going to be that much more difficult for the United States to make arrangements for his return," Drake said. "And always check six, as we said when I used to be a flyer in the Air Force. Always make sure you know what's behind you."

Drake, a 56-year-old former intelligence official at the National Security Agency, was prosecuted under the Espionage Act in 2010 for allegedly revealing classified information about the agency's sweeping warrantless wire-tapping program. The government later dropped all but a misdemeanor charge. "For me this is a déjà vu," Drake said, adding that Snowden's previous comfortable life was over.

"When you offer up information about the dark side of the surveillance state, they don't take too kindly to it," he said. "They want to stay in the shadows."

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Mr Drake was one American who has been indicted for leaking secrets, and then investigated, re-investigated and re-re-investigated because the FBI thought that he was the source of a leak that resulted in a newspaper article.

Although it turned out that Drake was not the source of that leak, the way he finally was allowed to make the matter go away was to plead guilty to some lesser charge, and then and only then did he get his life back.

Of course, by the time that his life was "his" again, his career was pretty much destroyed.

You would think that Ms Clinton, who watched the Powers that Be go after her husband when he wouldn't give them their dirty little war in Iraq, you think she would be wiser as to what can be done, and what is actually done, to individuals in the name of taking down individuals who overstep their supposed boundaries.
(Her husband Bill Clinton brushed off the neo cons when they asked for a war against the people of Iraq, and less than six weeks later, his affair with Lewinsky was Number One Story on the airwaves 24/7.)

a 2016 presidential primary would be a good place for this debate Enrique Apr 2014 #1
Snowden has an adviser? Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #2
Ben Wizner, director of the ACLU Speech, Privacy & Technology Project Luminous Animal Apr 2014 #3
You didn't answer my question Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #4
I am disappointed that people that call themselves "politically liberal" would become consumed with rhett o rick Apr 2014 #6
I don't see how pointing out Snowden's allegiance to a foreign government constitutes hatred. eom tarheelsunc Apr 2014 #10
Me either, TarheelUNC... I DON'T get it at all. eom Ecumenist Apr 2014 #51
Some people here like to make things up emulatorloo Apr 2014 #67
Or why you have to support him to be a "liberal." treestar Apr 2014 #75
Question. How many bullets does it take to kill the messenger? elias7 Apr 2014 #7
I think the degree of hatred spewed for Snowden is proportional with the degree that a person rhett o rick Apr 2014 #8
Absolutely true vlakitti Apr 2014 #11
Truth. eom Obnoxious_One Apr 2014 #72
Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner. Scuba Apr 2014 #73
If a thief while stealing your TV determines that you have a dangerous wiring problem in VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #56
...^ that 840high Apr 2014 #63
Exaggerated Bs treestar Apr 2014 #76
I thought Snowden did well. JDPriestly Apr 2014 #25
Good question, Cali.. "Snowden's advisor".. sounds like he's full of shite. Cha Apr 2014 #16
The US Govt forced Snowden to remain in Russia. Why do you think they did that? sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #69
I was wondering the same thing n/t itsrobert Apr 2014 #77
Sure....it's a subterfuge. Radack and Wizner of the ACLU call themselves "advisors" because msanthrope Apr 2014 #81
Can they call themselves 'advisors' without Snowden actually designating them as such? randome Apr 2014 #83
Absolutely. What seems to be happening here is that neither one is his msanthrope Apr 2014 #84
This is friggin fascinating ProSense Apr 2014 #5
Two points. JDPriestly Apr 2014 #27
Two counterpoints: ProSense Apr 2014 #33
In my view, you misinterpret Snowden's lawyer's comment. JDPriestly Apr 2014 #65
No, and ProSense Apr 2014 #66
We will have to agree to disagree once again. JDPriestly Apr 2014 #93
Already posted above but...Comrade Snowden has an advisor? SoapBox Apr 2014 #9
Snowden having an advisor vs. the veracity of Hillary's claim Otelo Apr 2014 #12
How long have you noticed that? savalez Apr 2014 #20
The issue of whistleblowers vs. post count Otelo Apr 2014 #23
What now? savalez Apr 2014 #26
HRC <<ISN'T>> "mis-informed." So, ... blkmusclmachine Apr 2014 #13
She is a liar. JDPriestly Apr 2014 #29
Furious Obama apologists, outraged over Snowden, demand repeal of 6th amendment... pragmatic_dem Apr 2014 #14
I heard a top advisor to savalez Apr 2014 #19
Sorry for your loss, you might want to stay away from computers so the healing process can begin. pragmatic_dem Apr 2014 #22
Once again savalez Apr 2014 #24
... SidDithers Apr 2014 #53
Maybe Candidate-for-President Clinton should ask Mr Thomas Drake how the truedelphi Apr 2014 #15
He could have easily contacted Wyden. joshcryer Apr 2014 #17
Wyden could have blown the whistle himself Otelo Apr 2014 #21
Because Snowden said Wyden inclined him? joshcryer Apr 2014 #34
Here is the catch: Snowden knew that the NSA listens in on phone calls. JDPriestly Apr 2014 #30
That didn't stop him from contacting GG. joshcryer Apr 2014 #36
"he doesn't have anything to worry about" zeemike Apr 2014 #39
When was the last time that happened to a sitting Senator? joshcryer Apr 2014 #60
Wyden's immunity is not that generous. JDPriestly Apr 2014 #62
Kiriakou gave out identities. joshcryer Apr 2014 #68
Valerie Plame did not commit a crime. Her husband discovered a crime that the Bush administration JDPriestly Apr 2014 #92
Deuce Martinez did not use waterboarding. joshcryer Apr 2014 #94
Never heard of him. JDPriestly Apr 2014 #95
One of the two CIA agents outed. joshcryer Apr 2014 #97
Sorry, what? The NSA listens in to phone calls? randome Apr 2014 #49
They would be listening in to phone calls made by Snowden and possibly on calls made to Wyden. JDPriestly Apr 2014 #59
They didn't have Javabit emails. joshcryer Apr 2014 #61
Would Wyden have released the information that Snowden did? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #44
No. joshcryer Apr 2014 #46
Exactly. Swept under the rug. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #47
ruled unconstitutional = swept under the rug? joshcryer Apr 2014 #50
Shhh.. Leaker Eddie wanted to show what a big freaking martyr he is.. and how could he Cha Apr 2014 #58
I cringed inside when I heard Hillary's comments this morning. bvar22 Apr 2014 #18
If you think that was taking a 'stand' I pity you. joshcryer Apr 2014 #37
Of course it was, Josh. bvar22 Apr 2014 #41
i.e., no stance taken. joshcryer Apr 2014 #48
Good Points...Thank you Ben Wizner...! n/t KoKo Apr 2014 #28
Anyone who thinks that Snowden should have stayed in the US and faced the music should JDPriestly Apr 2014 #31
thanks for posting that link. m-lekktor Apr 2014 #42
Sounds more & more like a GOP presidential candidate every day. baldguy Apr 2014 #32
Comrade Snowken is a ... Cryptoad Apr 2014 #35
Obama "has used Espionage Act more than all previous administrations" Otelo Apr 2014 #38
When there are more leakers than in times past, of course he is. randome Apr 2014 #82
He's right. She's lying. n2doc Apr 2014 #40
Yeah, .. everybody lies but fuckin' Eddie. Cha Apr 2014 #57
She's in full flagwaving, strong leader, the bogeyman is coming, mode. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #43
I find it most interesting that they choose to bash her for calling out Snowden Blue_Tires Apr 2014 #45
More likely that Comrade Eddie is the one that's lying...nt SidDithers Apr 2014 #52
Hey Sid... Help us out here. List all of Snowden's known lies MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #55
The number of deliberately misleading statements comes close. randome Apr 2014 #80
Yep, but to the Snowden/Greenwald worship team, everyone is lying except Snowden/Greenwald stevenleser Apr 2014 #70
even when Snowden's own statements are not consistent JI7 Apr 2014 #71
You didn't want to know about what the NSA was/is doing? OK got it. Thanks. L0oniX Apr 2014 #88
Your deep concern for what our US NSA is doing is noted. Thanks for your patriotism. L0oniX Apr 2014 #89
Hillary "out of touch" about how shitty... 99Forever Apr 2014 #54
Correct. 840high Apr 2014 #64
sad to say, but yes, of course G_j Apr 2014 #85
If it was blessed as legal then he did not reveal any "illegal spying" treestar Apr 2014 #74
If a person takes your defective TV because it is a fire hazard, and proves that he GoneFishin Apr 2014 #78
When the law breakers have undue leverage over the law makers it is little consolation GoneFishin Apr 2014 #79
I'm sure our revolutionary's felt the same way towards Britain. L0oniX Apr 2014 #87
"protections" Sure ...it's called solitary confinement. Prisons don't like snitches. L0oniX Apr 2014 #86
So if the whitleblower act is so flawed.. then lets fix it. DCBob Apr 2014 #90
Because they dont want to fix it davidn3600 Apr 2014 #96
Too bad his adviser didn't tell him Progressive dog Apr 2014 #91
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