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DirkGently

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16. No one should apologize for or disclaim being feminist. Or liberal.

Tue May 6, 2014, 03:35 PM

May 2014

Just because the knuckledraggers achieved a level of knuckle-dragging success with their endless demonizing of anyone who disagreed with them doesn't mean any of US should be fighting amongst ourselves about it.

Feminists are RIGHT.

Liberals are RIGHT.

The hippies were RIGHT.

All of those things have degrees and variations and exceptions and addendums. None of them are shameful or embarrassing or wrong, except to stupid people.

Maybe stupid people should be embarrassed and ashamed and worried about people criticizing them, instead of the rest of us worrying about offending the stupid people.

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Yes, I am a Feminist. Deal. With. It. [View all] TDale313 May 2014 OP

Sing it, sister. PeaceNikki May 2014 #1

Thank you. TDale313 May 2014 #33

Me too, count me in randys1 May 2014 #2

Rant well deserved and well delivered. hlthe2b May 2014 #3

Thank you. n/t TDale313 May 2014 #34

" I am so tired of Feminism being treated as a dirty word." Yeah, me too. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #4

Oh boyyyy ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #55

Last time it was discontent idealists. bravenak May 2014 #104

But all meaning the same thing ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #111

I noticed. bravenak May 2014 #123

This was classic JustAnotherGen May 2014 #178

I can't believe it is still going. bravenak May 2014 #278

We just can't win sometime. I am a proud radical. AAO May 2014 #144

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #145

He may have been referring to the kkk types like cliven bundy AAO May 2014 #147

Somehow I doubt it ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #153

I wasn't referring to anyone in particular when I wrote that, if you *must* know. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #155

Sure you weren't! eom. 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #157

Was actually being truthful with that. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #186

Yeah. Uh huh. Please pass the cornbread. eom. 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #207

Pass the cornbread, grits, rolls, and plenty of REAL butter! AAO May 2014 #311

But it's not REALLY cornbread ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #315

Crap, you don't what yer missin AAO May 2014 #316

Your interpretation is as good as any. AAO May 2014 #229

" I'm so sick of all forms of hate, fear of others, suspicious minds at all time. " Me too. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #235

Radical is a thought process, not an action plan. AAO May 2014 #310

Well said. Squinch May 2014 #5

I think there's also a fear of imaginary blame. TDale313 May 2014 #6

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #57

"Some feel like they're being "blamed" or "punished", which is so not the point" Unfortunately...... AverageJoe90 May 2014 #156

so it is all about fear? hfojvt May 2014 #8

Jeeze! Did I forget to put you on ignore??? Silly me! Squinch May 2014 #19

thanks for the substantive reply hfojvt May 2014 #25

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #62

so if only I was not so defective hfojvt May 2014 #97

No, maybe if you were open to consider things that ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #109

This message was self-deleted by its author Vattel May 2014 #124

They don't fear women. They fear their own limitations will be exposed by a "WOMAN"!!!!!!! AAO May 2014 #312

I am becoming quite tired of them too. Squinch May 2014 #313

My sister loyalsister May 2014 #7

Yes. Thanks. Lots of us are tired of misogyny on DU. MineralMan May 2014 #9

Feminist 'til I die. Coventina May 2014 #10

"Feminism is the radical notion that women are people." Skidmore May 2014 #11

Thanks. TDale313 May 2014 #13

It is a war on women - TBF May 2014 #12

+1 million Louisiana1976 May 2014 #27

I'm with you! Texasgal May 2014 #14

is it a controversy when some people disagree? hfojvt May 2014 #15

The word privilege may or may not... TDale313 May 2014 #21

I honestly do not understand what your point is. Skidmore May 2014 #22

well there are two questions hfojvt May 2014 #42

So because some women earn more than you, sexism is not built into our society? SunSeeker May 2014 #56

I seem to recall ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #66

no, it is not about expectations hfojvt May 2014 #88

As I have told you many, many times on this topic ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #106

swing and a miss, I guess hfojvt May 2014 #256

So long as there are any poor white men anywhere gollygee May 2014 #68

there is plenty of privilege hfojvt May 2014 #102

Perhaps you should tell that to Oprah ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #271

oh no hfojvt May 2014 #281

Being poor is, without a doubt, tough ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #288

oh please hfojvt May 2014 #303

Oh, I get it ... You're just pretending to be dense ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #305

no, it is more like saying hfojvt May 2014 #78

Compared to a female janitor, you do have privileges. SunSeeker May 2014 #80

again you are asking poor people hfojvt May 2014 #91

Dude, I am the child of a motel maid. You don't need to tell me about poor people. SunSeeker May 2014 #126

+1000 eom. 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #272

But JustAnotherGen May 2014 #200

Some truth to this. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #220

feminists routinely disagree with other feminists Major Nikon May 2014 #37

You might want to read this - it is a better explanation of privilege than most I've seen. Ms. Toad May 2014 #40

Great link. Excellent definition of male privilege. SunSeeker May 2014 #75

well, thank goodness it was not personal hfojvt May 2014 #76

Wow. Ms. Toad May 2014 #127

I have to agree that the concept of "white privilege" is pretty useless and tends to be divisive. Vattel May 2014 #133

A fairly informative view of things, in my opinion. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #183

Your questions answered. TM99 May 2014 #189

As a white person wryter2000 May 2014 #60

you see what you see hfojvt May 2014 #108

Privilege wryter2000 May 2014 #159

Truly, the concept is not difficult to grasp. Maedhros May 2014 #250

LOL wryter2000 May 2014 #253

really? hfojvt May 2014 #258

Your posts are distasteful. Maedhros May 2014 #273

well I cannot argue hfojvt May 2014 #283

your female counterpart "shakespeare's sister" redruddyred May 2014 #61

and here in the real world hfojvt May 2014 #120

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #236

Post removed Post removed May 2014 #240

No one should apologize for or disclaim being feminist. Or liberal. DirkGently May 2014 #16

Well said. Louisiana1976 May 2014 #29

This, pretty much. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #188

Why have gender wars escalated here on DU in the last year? Because, people are here to divide us okaawhatever May 2014 #17

It's funny, too ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #72

+100 nt okaawhatever May 2014 #77

I think you are confusing radical feminists with women and... Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #82

Bullshit,rape culture is recognized by all feminist groups. sufrommich May 2014 #93

No, that's NOT hilarious ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #100

Times 1000 - and I see you trying JustAnotherGen May 2014 #201

And strangely enough ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #216

No its not a worthless endeavor.. FreedRadical May 2014 #279

Which ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #284

Saw that thread too.. FreedRadical May 2014 #297

+1 TDale313 May 2014 #110

"the loudest deniers of rape culture are right wing groups and MRA groups" redqueen May 2014 #162

Too bad the significance of this seems to be lost on most here. Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #173

Well they're very dedicated. redqueen May 2014 #177

Yes, I have. Sad to say that I naively thought DU could be "different" from the rest of the Net. Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #181

We are, actually. nt AverageJoe90 May 2014 #191

You have not walked in my shoes on this board. eom Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #192

Well, TBH, I am indeed sorry if you've had a bad experience, btw. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #197

You act as if you have not seen the call out thread Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #226

You mean the Men's Group? AverageJoe90 May 2014 #269

you know, In a way I agree with you. They remind me a lot of GC&RKBA. Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #294

How does that feel? pintobean May 2014 #306

I have said all I have to say about that incident in GD. Where have you been pintobean? Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #307

That's rich... opiate69 May 2014 #204

And some women identify as feminists. Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #171

Joe Biden just spoke out on the issue BainsBane May 2014 #227

Not all feminists recognize rape culture Harmony Blue May 2014 #241

What is this all-or-nothing high school argument. This isn't "science." This is society. Finding the ancianita May 2014 #270

If you don't like the scientific definition Harmony Blue May 2014 #276

It's not a matter of "like." Some cultures are real whether you believe in their existence or not. ancianita May 2014 #277

If it is real then it has to be taught and learned Harmony Blue May 2014 #308

You obviously didn't read the LINK. YOU LOSE. Willful laziness is the basis of all stupidity. ancianita May 2014 #309

No ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #99

He doesn't think racism and sexism are real problems in his "world" bettyellen May 2014 #160

Better to be Privileged ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #166

That is an absolute and tendentious misreading of what I said. Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #169

Well said, Comrade Grumpy!!! nt. polly7 May 2014 #172

We discuss issues DUers already know about all the time... cyberswede May 2014 #184

+1,000 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #212

This is very much a false dilemma. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #219

You are getting me to a point of flat out saying ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #224

"you both argue the same damned points" Not true. And you know it. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #233

Sometimes, I don't even know why we bother trying to talk sense into radicals like that. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #187

Wow ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #214

Do I sense a personal attack? AverageJoe90 May 2014 #218

Wait ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #223

"Apparently, you believe that you hold the franchise on critical thinking and common sense ... " AverageJoe90 May 2014 #231

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #210

No one forced you to enter this thread BainsBane May 2014 #259

right on. that said, sadly it's also why the "crusades" are "endless" dionysus May 2014 #163

..... AverageJoe90 May 2014 #190

That is a stunnig demonstration BainsBane May 2014 #232

True. So true. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #196

Oddly enough, a strong denier of rape culture was banned this past weekend for threatening rape LanternWaste May 2014 #211

Clearly you don't read the posts in the African American group BainsBane May 2014 #230

I am a straight white cismale. Maedhros May 2014 #251

Water is often the last thing a fish will think of... until the water itself becomes threatened. LanternWaste May 2014 #18

OOOOO... That's like, Deepak Chopra-level deep there... opiate69 May 2014 #44

It's also ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #81

And Chopra's woo is commonly bandied about as well. opiate69 May 2014 #87

You seem so defensive about this stuff. cyberswede May 2014 #89

lol. defensive? no. more like bemused. opiate69 May 2014 #92

If you say so cyberswede May 2014 #94

Like he/she said ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #103

It must be... cyberswede May 2014 #115

Hm. guilt by association now too. opiate69 May 2014 #131

...when you lay down with dogs... cyberswede May 2014 #132

I can somehow still sleep at night. opiate69 May 2014 #138

why the need to try to hijack a thread about feminism? magical thyme May 2014 #95

1+ eom. 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #74

I Read All the Way Through. Well Said! cer7711 May 2014 #20

Thank you. Beautifully put. n/t TDale313 May 2014 #23

Thank you. Raine1967 May 2014 #24

I don't post a whole lot myself... TDale313 May 2014 #32

I wasn't asking but you are welcome. That chip on your shoulder must get tiresome. yellowcanine May 2014 #26

So, a person claiming that they are a feminist is stirring things up? Luminous Animal May 2014 #31

That's what you got out of my post? Interesting. yellowcanine May 2014 #36

"That chip on your shoulder must get tiresome." Maedhros May 2014 #49

I know, huh? ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #83

WTF? A DUer can make any statement they want to. cyberswede May 2014 #54

Thanks for saying what I've been thinking! DesertDiamond May 2014 #28

Right on! Kath1 May 2014 #30

feminists should not have to apologize for their political conventions with the phrase redruddyred May 2014 #67

I'm a feminist. And a liberal. The right wing is near successful in demonizing both words Luminous Animal May 2014 #35

You're absolutely right about that. TDale313 May 2014 #39

I agree with you get the red out May 2014 #38

I believe that every DUer is a feminist. Including the men. Nye Bevan May 2014 #41

Look above ... I see at least two. eom. 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #85

which two? or three? hfojvt May 2014 #286

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #289

Don't forget... cyberswede May 2014 #90

lol. n/t TDale313 May 2014 #96

The misogynists here are not feminists. nt geek tragedy May 2014 #118

Post removed Post removed May 2014 #161

I actually don't have any "friends" here. Perhaps you are confusing me with someone else (nt) Nye Bevan May 2014 #165

Ayup. Solly Mack May 2014 #43

... TDale313 May 2014 #45

Great OP. k&r sufrommich May 2014 #46

Thanks. n/t TDale313 May 2014 #48

It's easier to understand rrneck May 2014 #47

I think not. [n/t] Maedhros May 2014 #50

Why? nt rrneck May 2014 #58

Feminism is a political philosophy. Maedhros May 2014 #71

I read that a little differently ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #86

attitudes are being noted. so many tales being given in away. what a great thread for exposure. Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #175

What does that really mean? rrneck May 2014 #217

I wouldn't worry about it if I were you. Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #225

Im not worried. rrneck May 2014 #237

And round you go again. With your circles. I got Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #262

I can understand that. rrneck May 2014 #263

Chasing your own tail. Damned if you will chase mine. Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #274

So do I BainsBane May 2014 #238

Well, let's have a look at that... rrneck May 2014 #260

"No time have I or others denied the legitimacy of discussing the issue of human equality" BainsBane May 2014 #265

Okay, maybe somebody denied the legitimacy of discussing equality. rrneck May 2014 #293

This might clarify. rrneck May 2014 #215

I'm uninterested in playing semantic games with you. Clearly your objective is to disrupt. Maedhros May 2014 #221

Okay. Bye. rrneck May 2014 #222

I love these questions! May I answer them? ancianita May 2014 #275

Sure. nt rrneck May 2014 #280

Okay, then! ancianita May 2014 #282

Thanks for your replies. rrneck May 2014 #285

Bring on the so-called feminist extremists! I love extremists! I am one! ancianita May 2014 #287

No, it's easier to dismiss if one ignorantly says it's like a religion nt geek tragedy May 2014 #119

This message was self-deleted by its author rrneck May 2014 #134

What makes you think I dismiss religion? rrneck May 2014 #140

Being welcomed into the fold? Neoma May 2014 #149

Yep, me too. nt rrneck May 2014 #152

Surprised to find an interesting post Waiting For Everyman May 2014 #170

So it's a religion in the same way political parties are? redqueen May 2014 #176

Yes. rrneck May 2014 #205

At this poin in my life... Helen Borg May 2014 #51

Malinism? Have never heard that term before. n/t kiranon May 2014 #63

This make's no sense. Feminism is a movement to advance women's rights equal TO men. Luminous Animal May 2014 #65

And that right there...is the disconnect davidn3600 May 2014 #121

Young women 18-29 are more apt to consider themselves feminists than any other age Luminous Animal May 2014 #128

Love this. redqueen May 2014 #167

It is excellent news but the reporting on this poll was appalling. Luminous Animal May 2014 #180

Good graph laundry_queen May 2014 #202

I think ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #52

+1 cyberswede May 2014 #64

I am too. shenmue May 2014 #53

that's an unnecessary distinction, sir or madam. redruddyred May 2014 #69

Yes, because being happy is a Communist plot shenmue May 2014 #70

you got me. redruddyred May 2014 #73

Thank you. Count me in as well. n/t kiranon May 2014 #59

kr otherone May 2014 #79

I'm with you. BainsBane May 2014 #84

One would like to think... TDale313 May 2014 #101

I agree LadyHawkAZ May 2014 #98

Are you sure? BainsBane May 2014 #105

"I will disagree with RadFem ideas that I think are hurtful." LadyHawkAZ May 2014 #107

Oh, so it's okay to be loud BainsBane May 2014 #125

Depends on what you consider equality, I guess LadyHawkAZ May 2014 #129

You are the one who declared certain members BainsBane May 2014 #137

You know what they say about when you assume... LadyHawkAZ May 2014 #148

That doesn't address any of the points in my post BainsBane May 2014 #150

You didn't have any points to address LadyHawkAZ May 2014 #154

Nice ducky pintobean May 2014 #168

Yeah? Yeah?? Well...well...mine's spiky! LadyHawkAZ May 2014 #206

Run away pintobean May 2014 #208

Duckiesharkicorn pwns all n/t LadyHawkAZ May 2014 #209

I've noticed this kind of behavior, too. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #203

The "attacking women" line is yours BainsBane May 2014 #242

1-6 to leave. nt msanthrope May 2014 #244

I would love to see those jury results pintobean May 2014 #246

here u go.....my comment "TLDR" didn't load..... msanthrope May 2014 #252

Thank you. I was mostly interested pintobean May 2014 #261

LOL! LadyHawkAZ May 2014 #254

here... msanthrope May 2014 #255

LOL! x2. Thanks n/t LadyHawkAZ May 2014 #257

You KNOW I was not on DU when that duckies site was operating BainsBane May 2014 #245

How would anyone know anything about your posting habits? polly7 May 2014 #268

So do I Texasgal May 2014 #112

I had LadyHawkAZ May 2014 #113

Just to be clear... TDale313 May 2014 #116

No, it didn't come across that way. LadyHawkAZ May 2014 #122

A wonderful post, thank you! etherealtruth May 2014 #114

I am simply a human being. I have no use for labels. scarletwoman May 2014 #117

Actually feminism is not a label, it is more of an ideology. boston bean May 2014 #130

The OP's declaration is, "I am a feminist". scarletwoman May 2014 #136

I'm a feminist to, and a democrat. boston bean May 2014 #139

Everyone is free to call themselves whatever they want. (nt) scarletwoman May 2014 #141

What you have no use for is what happens to you if you get the "wrong" label n/t eridani May 2014 #179

Sorry, your reply doesn't make any sense to me. scarletwoman May 2014 #243

I agree. Waiting For Everyman May 2014 #185

Thank you. That's very kind of you. scarletwoman May 2014 #248

I also agree. polly7 May 2014 #198

Thank you. I like "humanist". scarletwoman May 2014 #249

Labels also allow us a convenient context from which to examine a premise LanternWaste May 2014 #213

Okay. File me under non-fiction. scarletwoman May 2014 #247

Me Too... And I'm A Dude... With A Mom And Three Younger Sisters... WillyT May 2014 #135

Roughly the same here, just with two younger bros. nt AverageJoe90 May 2014 #234

Is there a problem? n/t UTUSN May 2014 #142

Nope. No problem at all. Nothing to see here, folks. Move Along. Keep it moving. Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #194

Post removed Post removed May 2014 #290

Is that why so many of my OPs make the Greatest Page? or what is it exactly you are trying to say? Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #291

Lol, who brags about that? Defensive? Nt Logical May 2014 #295

lol ... nope. Honest and telling it like it is. Deal with it or without it. Done. Bye. Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #298

Ahhhh, some one seems grumpy! nt Logical May 2014 #300

it is a beautiful night where I am. I am sipping on a lovely reisling - Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #301

I'm a feminist too. AAO May 2014 #143

have been my whole life, and do not particularly care who is bothered by it. niyad May 2014 #146

cool. rec dionysus May 2014 #151

I'm sorry to hear that you find the "gender wars" on DU puzzling and disturbing. Laelth May 2014 #158

Discussing how to solve them is one thing. Arguing that they exist is something else entirely. n/t Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #195

I think I know where you are coming from. Laelth May 2014 #228

Who is slamming you here???? nt Logical May 2014 #164

you say that like you would do something about it. Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #193

You say that like you have proof. I am ready. nt Logical May 2014 #264

Somehow I doubt it. eom Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #292

LOL, I figured. nt Logical May 2014 #296

I know you. I remember you and Yes, I doubt it. and for that same reason you figured it. Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #299

So. Am. I. And. I. Am. Male. KamaAina May 2014 #174

It's been a long couple of months in the DU Gender War. Warpy May 2014 #182

My response. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #199

What evidence do you have of this? BainsBane May 2014 #239

" What evidence do you have of this?" Where's *your* evidence, then? Also..... AverageJoe90 May 2014 #266

My evidence? BainsBane May 2014 #267

Thank you! I don't argue anymore usually. Equality works, for everyone. nt babylonsister May 2014 #302

I call myself a feminist too and I don't hate men. Jasana May 2014 #304

K... Caxton May 2014 #314