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Eleanors38

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127. There are people who question the use of "white privilege."

Tue May 13, 2014, 11:41 AM

May 2014

Last edited Tue May 13, 2014, 12:17 PM - Edit history (1)

Should they cease or somehow be made to cease discussing the term? There are people who argue with (presumably) blacks about terms (or not) of race. Should they not be able to have a say?

There are DUers who think the issue of "white privilege" has become flamebait, trolling and not appropriate. What do you do about them? Short of cutting them off, their presence has to be dealt with. I would suggest the discussions of WP have topped off regarding any constructive course of action, because it offers no course if action on a site which purports to be about pragmatic political solutions.

For some 50yrs we "retirees" have heard of and discussed "institutional racism," "privilege," and now "white privilege." Most white progressive folk recognize their advantage. We also recognize "white guilt" and its shaming potential. The difference is now many white folk have a propensity to resist discussion and terms which rely on guilt, shame, and yes, "delegitimizing" opinions if they can be tagged or "checked" as "white privilege." The discussion rings of times past, and has become static.

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The cure for privilege. [View all] rrneck May 2014 OP

"privilege" VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #1

No, you're not sorry, but thanks anyway. rrneck May 2014 #3

Obvious to a child? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #5

You got a problem with people working together? nt rrneck May 2014 #6

I got a problem with thinking singing Kumbaya and pretending White male privilege doesn't exist VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #9

I just offered a solution. That would assume I recognize a problem. rrneck May 2014 #11

Did I say that? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #106

I offered a solution. rrneck May 2014 #108

HAVE you accepted it yet? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #111

Remarkable. rrneck May 2014 #113

White male privilege... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #115

The OP did it. rrneck May 2014 #116

did you? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #117

What part of "cure" did you not understand? rrneck May 2014 #118

the first stage of recovery is acceptance... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #119

In your estimation. rrneck May 2014 #120

I require someone who "claims" to have a solution VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #130

Propose a cure for the problem. ntt rrneck May 2014 #132

I offered a solution in the OP. rrneck May 2014 #121

You cannot have a solution to a problem before you admit that there is one.... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #131

Produce your cure for the problem. rrneck May 2014 #133

I never professed to have the solution....unlike certain White men who deny White Male Privilege VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #137

I'm not surprised. rrneck May 2014 #138

being divisive Niceguy1 May 2014 #45

Acceptance.....thats even part of Cognitive Behavioral Therapy... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #107

ok, step 3 doesn't sound so bad all of a sudden quinnox May 2014 #2

It's my fave. rrneck May 2014 #4

wow....the irony..... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #7

Sooooo, rrneck May 2014 #8

No you said it all with that statement quite well... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #12

How do you plan to make them feel otherwise? nt rrneck May 2014 #14

Actually they had the nerve to tell white men how they as people of color feel BainsBane May 2014 #17

How do you plan to make "them" feel otherwise? nt rrneck May 2014 #30

Why is up to me to make anyone "feel otherwise'? BainsBane May 2014 #31

Why do you not want to end privilage? rrneck May 2014 #35

why do you not want to accept that you HAVE White male privilege? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #110

I offered a "cure" in the OP. rrneck May 2014 #112

true that Bainsbane...true that! VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #109

I am really disappointed that you posted this (and yes, I realize that you d/won't care) etherealtruth May 2014 #10

Really? rrneck May 2014 #13

This would have been a good OP etherealtruth May 2014 #15

Thank you. rrneck May 2014 #16

Just responding to say thank you for this excellent post. Shandris May 2014 #18

You're welcome. rrneck May 2014 #33

Because far less of the population is unionized BainsBane May 2014 #21

Word salad. rrneck May 2014 #23

Word salad? Sheldon Cooper May 2014 #34

At least I can express myself without hotlinking other people's graphics. nt rrneck May 2014 #36

Ooh rush me to the burn unit! Sheldon Cooper May 2014 #102

Oh, I think you'll make it all right. rrneck May 2014 #104

Substance? Sheldon Cooper May 2014 #122

You know what's really fun? rrneck May 2014 #124

Word salad! Sheldon Cooper May 2014 #126

You're not the only one that read it. nt rrneck May 2014 #128

That is precisely what you have done. BainsBane May 2014 #50

What OP? nt rrneck May 2014 #53

Here BainsBane May 2014 #70

Oh yeah. I saw it but I didn't read it. rrneck May 2014 #71

I don't assume it had to do with mine BainsBane May 2014 #74

That's just more word salad. rrneck May 2014 #79

Again, it's about listening to those who experience racism BainsBane May 2014 #87

I cared enough to suggest a solution. rrneck May 2014 #91

Jesus. Therapy 101 BainsBane May 2014 #95

That's just more word salad. rrneck May 2014 #98

Ah, there you have it. The privileged will determine how, why, when and where coalitions R B Garr May 2014 #134

You might read the OP again. rrneck May 2014 #136

Attack, attack, attack. Haven't changed a bit. So very obvious Eleanors38 May 2014 #88

Sorry, I should busy myself with attacking BainsBane May 2014 #90

Do you have any purpose with WP beyond checking? Eleanors38 May 2014 #94

My issue is with racism BainsBane May 2014 #96

And how do you propose to keep the "remaining posters of color" in DU? Eleanors38 May 2014 #97

Refraining from telling them they shouldn't use words BainsBane May 2014 #100

There are people who question the use of "white privilege." Eleanors38 May 2014 #127

Complaining for the sake of complaining is whining and moaning. rrneck May 2014 #99

Then there is this approach BainsBane May 2014 #101

What makes you think I am referring to an entire ethnic group? rrneck May 2014 #114

People can't talk about privilege unless they also talk about unions? gollygee May 2014 #24

Talk about whatever you want. rrneck May 2014 #29

You suggest that understanding white privilege is not a worthy goal. kwassa May 2014 #38

There is no such suggestion. rrneck May 2014 #39

Your OP exists only in relationship to the white privilege OPs. kwassa May 2014 #48

Nobody said it negated anything. rrneck May 2014 #52

We are merely trying to get the idea that white privilege exists. kwassa May 2014 #54

Fine. Go for it. rrneck May 2014 #56

Part of the solution is to talk about privilege. kwassa May 2014 #58

Discuss it all you want. rrneck May 2014 #60

Talking about white privilege is not calling anyone an asshole. kwassa May 2014 #64

I don't think there's much of a jump rrneck May 2014 #66

There is ignorance and there is knowledge. kwassa May 2014 #68

I think there is ignorance and there is stupidity. rrneck May 2014 #69

You assume the alienation. This is where I part from your view. kwassa May 2014 #78

Isn't it mind boggling = Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #84

Well, like I say I haven't seen it. But I don't read every thread. rrneck May 2014 #85

I don't disagree with your OP Dorian Gray May 2014 #103

Talk is cheap if it's only talk. rrneck May 2014 #105

Goal: A greater understanding about how people feel. Dorian Gray May 2014 #123

I disagree. rrneck May 2014 #125

I disagree Dorian Gray May 2014 #129

Empathy is a powerful incentive. rrneck May 2014 #135

Bingo! The entire problem with this OP. kwassa May 2014 #37

You got a problem with people working together? nt rrneck May 2014 #40

Working together isn't the issue. kwassa May 2014 #46

If you figure out how to get people to work together on a common goal rrneck May 2014 #47

Fine, but you have to admit it exists before you can fix it. kwassa May 2014 #49

Everyone knows it exists. rrneck May 2014 #51

Not according to a number of posters on DU. kwassa May 2014 #55

Whatever you say. rrneck May 2014 #57

I'm not getting the sense that those with incomplete agreement .. kwassa May 2014 #61

Again, whatever you say. rrneck May 2014 #63

This, I think... pipi_k May 2014 #59

Spoken more eloquently than I ever could. nt rrneck May 2014 #62

Well said. 1000words May 2014 #75

Thank you. The problem with the "white privilege" Eleanors38 May 2014 #93

social plumage Supersedeas May 2014 #67

work razo99 Jul 2018 #139

Tsk, tsk ... Are you forgetting something? 1000words May 2014 #19

LOL! Damn, I always forget that. nt rrneck May 2014 #25

I doubt there are any simple solutions, in reality. But thank you for trying at least. n/t nomorenomore08 May 2014 #20

You're welcome. rrneck May 2014 #27

I just wish more white people would acknowledge what, for PoC, are self-evident facts of life. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #28

Yanno, everybody's got a story. rrneck May 2014 #32

It's not even about individual "dislike," although that certainly does play a role. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #41

Systemic racism can be dealt with rrneck May 2014 #42

Maybe. I certainly hope so. n/t nomorenomore08 May 2014 #43

No, they won't BainsBane May 2014 #89

Do you have a solution to suggest? nt rrneck May 2014 #92

How about go sit in courtroom and testify Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #22

Good ideas all. rrneck May 2014 #26

You have said some good things in this thread and then Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #72

Lots of assumptions. I hope you enjoyed them. nt rrneck May 2014 #73

I assumed nothing. I asked you straight out. and I said IF and Then. = Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #76

I guess you mean "do I even know any black people". rrneck May 2014 #77

I did not realize you were merely pontificating and making an observation on the state of things. Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #80

You thought I was asking for advice? rrneck May 2014 #82

and YOU started it. Your past preceded you. Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #83

The same thing. rrneck May 2014 #86

To get through the 43 threads on the same topic.. Red_Oak May 2014 #44

welcome to DU. eom Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #81

Not a cure, but a fine start. Raine1967 May 2014 #65