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McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
68. Yes there is an association. Here is a WHO summary of all the lit
Fri May 16, 2014, 10:31 PM
May 2014

from a time period that included two of Ms. Gallagher/ Goodman's studies about Autism and Hep B. Note that the criticism is not that there is no association. It is that when you use National Health Interview Survey data you can not make statements about causality.

Detailed descriptions of potential biases and pitfalls that could arise from attempting to use VAERS, VSD,
NHANES, National Health Interview Surveys or other similar
databases to make causal inferences have been described by the
Institute of Medicine (U.S.) and by a report by Parker et al (2004).
Therefore the identified associations between multiple variables
including male gender and EIS cannot provide evidence of causality.


http://www.who.int/immunization/sage/meetings/2012/april/Pichichero_Update_on_safety.pdf


There is an association. We do not know if there is a causality. If you people are going to hold yourselves up as scientists, please use the scientific lingo correctly.

Both articles appeared in peer reviewed journals. That means the biostatistics were double checked. Here are the credentials of the two researchers. One is an expert in biostatics. And I will bet that she knows the difference between association and causality.

http://publichealth.wustl.edu/people/scholardatabase/Documents/GOODMAN%20M.CV%20Feb%202012%20IPH.pdf

The other is the Chief Executive Director of Ethic at MD Anderson.

http://faculty.mdanderson.org/Colleen_Gallagher/Default.asp

I know you do not like the two studies. But, numbers do not go away just because you do not like them. If they offend you so much maybe you should suggest that Merck spend some money and pay some researchers to study a huge cross section of children who received Hep B vaccine and determine who got it at birth and who didn't and who has been diagnosed with autism and who didn't. Indeed, given the stir that these two studies made, I find it hard to believe that Merck has not already commissioned these studies and I wonder what is taking them so long is getting us the (we hope and pray) negative association results that will set our minds at rest.

Do anyone here know anyone at Merck? If so, please suggest that they hurry up their research teams so that we can bury this topic.

Hey, you know what? Maybe I will start a Merck watch on my Facebook page. Just to remind Merck every so often that we are still waiting for that definitive study that will prove that we have nothing to worry about. So they won't forget.



"Association does not prove causality" is the operative phrase Warpy May 2014 #1
+1 HuckleB May 2014 #5
Even if it does the good outweighs the bad. ForgoTheConsequence May 2014 #2
No argument here. Especially in China, India, Africa and places were chronic Hep B McCamy Taylor May 2014 #49
Shouldn't it be the job of the people making the argument blueridge3210 May 2014 #3
Actually, it is not hard to show that there is no association. If two things are McCamy Taylor May 2014 #7
I must be missing something blueridge3210 May 2014 #10
Yes, there is a study that shows an association. It is the one linked above. McCamy Taylor May 2014 #25
You're not missing anything. This is just another study misrepresented by anti-vaxers. HuckleB May 2014 #28
No, it should be the job of those who would require all neonates to be given a vaccine pnwmom May 2014 #11
And it appears that this has been done blueridge3210 May 2014 #14
+1,000,000 ... 000 HuckleB May 2014 #17
It's incumbent on those selling a vaccine to prove it's safe. lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #33
Hep B study is just a restatement that autism diagnoses were increasing mathematic May 2014 #4
But they didn't find that correlation with MMR vaccine, which also changed significantly. n/t lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #34
The hep B study didn't study the MMR vaccine mathematic May 2014 #39
Why would anyone recommend this anti-vaccine ludicrousness? HuckleB May 2014 #6
Autism causation and the Hepatitis B vaccine: no link HuckleB May 2014 #8
Why does DU tolerate this type of conspiracy theory BS? HuckleB May 2014 #9
Did you bother to alert on it as an SOP violation? Warren Stupidity May 2014 #12
Why would I? HuckleB May 2014 #13
So that would answer the question why DU allows it in this case. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #15
Umm. No. Not really. HuckleB May 2014 #16
actually it would get a pretty good chance of a lock as stupid ass CS bullshit. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #18
That's not my experience, and I'm tired of being told my alerts are crap. HuckleB May 2014 #19
fine I'll alert on it and see what happens. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #20
I'll be curious to find out. HuckleB May 2014 #23
Nothing. It was nearly unanimous that more antivac idiocy wouldl be good for DU. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #64
meaning it is still up in the air RobertEarl May 2014 #24
We know it's not vaccines. HuckleB May 2014 #26
Antivac idiocy is killing people. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #27
It could be RobertEarl May 2014 #31
Radiation causes autism! NuclearDem May 2014 #38
I need a better class of fan club RobertEarl May 2014 #41
Three things. blueridge3210 May 2014 #50
That is true. That is why I am not Antivac. I am for informed Vaccination. McCamy Taylor May 2014 #36
That's a fiction-based copout. HuckleB May 2014 #42
My patients have to sign consent forms before they get vaccines. Big, long government consent forms. McCamy Taylor May 2014 #52
Your "patients?" HuckleB May 2014 #53
MD, MPH. Most folks here know that. Go on Amazon. Read one of my books. McCamy Taylor May 2014 #71
More claims? HuckleB May 2014 #72
"So what is the cause of autism?" NuclearDem May 2014 #29
It's known that there's an environmental variable. lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #35
No argument from me here. NuclearDem May 2014 #37
It's not definitive that it's not mostly genetic and diagnosis changes. HuckleB May 2014 #43
If it's not entirely due to Dx changes then there's an environmental factor. lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #57
It's not that simple. HuckleB May 2014 #60
If the rate is going up, and it's not entirely measurement error, then it's environmental. lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #62
Thanks for the anti-vaccine cliche. HuckleB May 2014 #65
Thanks. I tend to agree. However it can be very hard to get anyone interested in McCamy Taylor May 2014 #48
Actually, that's about the easiest thing in the world to do. HuckleB May 2014 #54
Agreed. With so many highly informed "experts" it should be no problem for them to GoneFishin May 2014 #76
I alerted. HuckleB May 2014 #45
You need to do an SOP alert. The OP is not rude or insulting, just whacko. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #46
I am going to plead ignorance. HuckleB May 2014 #47
The top choice sends it to host. Go Vols May 2014 #51
Thanks. HuckleB May 2014 #55
No it wouldn't... SidDithers May 2014 #58
yup you are right about this one Sid. Despite the horrifying effects of MMR antivac Warren Stupidity May 2014 #63
A study showing a statistical association is not cause for panic. It just means we need a McCamy Taylor May 2014 #21
This "study" is used by anti-vaxers to push bad propaganda. HuckleB May 2014 #22
I have a "rep"? This is the only study that has ever shown an association. Therefore it is the only McCamy Taylor May 2014 #30
Hmm. Doesn't that ring a bell? HuckleB May 2014 #40
Uncontrolled experiments piss me off. lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #32
Of course, studies about the safety of the full vaccination schedule show no issues. HuckleB May 2014 #44
Let's chanege the subject. Roundup, Genetically Modified Foods... McCamy Taylor May 2014 #56
Anti-science conspiracies are a dime a dozen. HuckleB May 2014 #61
Let's be accurate - Hep B is not associated with Autism Godhumor May 2014 #59
And people here buy into it despite the disaster with the MMR antivac idiocy. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #66
Thanks for looking into what I was too lazy to do. Barack_America May 2014 #67
Yes there is an association. Here is a WHO summary of all the lit McCamy Taylor May 2014 #68
Nope. no credible link at all Godhumor May 2014 #69
One more thing to clarify,small premature babies should NOT get Hep B vaccine until one month of age McCamy Taylor May 2014 #70
I refused the hep B for my preemie twin boys (33 weekers). Crunchy Frog May 2014 #74
So, you can't answer the actual science of the matter, yet again. HuckleB May 2014 #75
The control group includes children born in 1980, 11 years before the vaccine was introduced Major Nikon May 2014 #73
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