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In reply to the discussion: Let's Be Accurate: The MMR Vaccine is Not Associated With Autism. But Neonatal Hep B in Males... [View all]McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)68. Yes there is an association. Here is a WHO summary of all the lit
from a time period that included two of Ms. Gallagher/ Goodman's studies about Autism and Hep B. Note that the criticism is not that there is no association. It is that when you use National Health Interview Survey data you can not make statements about causality.
Detailed descriptions of potential biases and pitfalls that could arise from attempting to use VAERS, VSD,
NHANES, National Health Interview Surveys or other similar
databases to make causal inferences have been described by the
Institute of Medicine (U.S.) and by a report by Parker et al (2004).
Therefore the identified associations between multiple variables
including male gender and EIS cannot provide evidence of causality.
NHANES, National Health Interview Surveys or other similar
databases to make causal inferences have been described by the
Institute of Medicine (U.S.) and by a report by Parker et al (2004).
Therefore the identified associations between multiple variables
including male gender and EIS cannot provide evidence of causality.
http://www.who.int/immunization/sage/meetings/2012/april/Pichichero_Update_on_safety.pdf
There is an association. We do not know if there is a causality. If you people are going to hold yourselves up as scientists, please use the scientific lingo correctly.
Both articles appeared in peer reviewed journals. That means the biostatistics were double checked. Here are the credentials of the two researchers. One is an expert in biostatics. And I will bet that she knows the difference between association and causality.
http://publichealth.wustl.edu/people/scholardatabase/Documents/GOODMAN%20M.CV%20Feb%202012%20IPH.pdf
The other is the Chief Executive Director of Ethic at MD Anderson.
http://faculty.mdanderson.org/Colleen_Gallagher/Default.asp
I know you do not like the two studies. But, numbers do not go away just because you do not like them. If they offend you so much maybe you should suggest that Merck spend some money and pay some researchers to study a huge cross section of children who received Hep B vaccine and determine who got it at birth and who didn't and who has been diagnosed with autism and who didn't. Indeed, given the stir that these two studies made, I find it hard to believe that Merck has not already commissioned these studies and I wonder what is taking them so long is getting us the (we hope and pray) negative association results that will set our minds at rest.
Do anyone here know anyone at Merck? If so, please suggest that they hurry up their research teams so that we can bury this topic.
Hey, you know what? Maybe I will start a Merck watch on my Facebook page. Just to remind Merck every so often that we are still waiting for that definitive study that will prove that we have nothing to worry about. So they won't forget.
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Let's Be Accurate: The MMR Vaccine is Not Associated With Autism. But Neonatal Hep B in Males... [View all]
McCamy Taylor
May 2014
OP
No argument here. Especially in China, India, Africa and places were chronic Hep B
McCamy Taylor
May 2014
#49
Actually, it is not hard to show that there is no association. If two things are
McCamy Taylor
May 2014
#7
Yes, there is a study that shows an association. It is the one linked above.
McCamy Taylor
May 2014
#25
You're not missing anything. This is just another study misrepresented by anti-vaxers.
HuckleB
May 2014
#28
No, it should be the job of those who would require all neonates to be given a vaccine
pnwmom
May 2014
#11
But they didn't find that correlation with MMR vaccine, which also changed significantly. n/t
lumberjack_jeff
May 2014
#34
actually it would get a pretty good chance of a lock as stupid ass CS bullshit.
Warren Stupidity
May 2014
#18
Nothing. It was nearly unanimous that more antivac idiocy wouldl be good for DU.
Warren Stupidity
May 2014
#64
That is true. That is why I am not Antivac. I am for informed Vaccination.
McCamy Taylor
May 2014
#36
My patients have to sign consent forms before they get vaccines. Big, long government consent forms.
McCamy Taylor
May 2014
#52
If it's not entirely due to Dx changes then there's an environmental factor.
lumberjack_jeff
May 2014
#57
If the rate is going up, and it's not entirely measurement error, then it's environmental.
lumberjack_jeff
May 2014
#62
Thanks. I tend to agree. However it can be very hard to get anyone interested in
McCamy Taylor
May 2014
#48
Agreed. With so many highly informed "experts" it should be no problem for them to
GoneFishin
May 2014
#76
You need to do an SOP alert. The OP is not rude or insulting, just whacko.
Warren Stupidity
May 2014
#46
yup you are right about this one Sid. Despite the horrifying effects of MMR antivac
Warren Stupidity
May 2014
#63
A study showing a statistical association is not cause for panic. It just means we need a
McCamy Taylor
May 2014
#21
I have a "rep"? This is the only study that has ever shown an association. Therefore it is the only
McCamy Taylor
May 2014
#30
Of course, studies about the safety of the full vaccination schedule show no issues.
HuckleB
May 2014
#44
And people here buy into it despite the disaster with the MMR antivac idiocy.
Warren Stupidity
May 2014
#66
One more thing to clarify,small premature babies should NOT get Hep B vaccine until one month of age
McCamy Taylor
May 2014
#70
The control group includes children born in 1980, 11 years before the vaccine was introduced
Major Nikon
May 2014
#73