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136. It doesn't say "most".

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Bodies of 800 babies, long-dead, found in septic tank at former Irish home for unwed mothers [View all] StevieM Jun 2014 OP

History can add 800 more to the long list of those who died at the hands of the Catholic Church. Arugula Latte Jun 2014 #1

I'm horrified JustAnotherGen Jun 2014 #2

Sinead O'Connor was correct PNW_Dem Jun 2014 #65

Yes. Ghost Dog Jun 2014 #127

Judged way too soon. n/t hollysmom Jun 2014 #201

This is horrific... joeybee12 Jun 2014 #3

Frightening how a twisted sense of religion teaches the mind to see these children as less than Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #4

The mothers were seen as less than human too. They were "sinners." And most of them were StevieM Jun 2014 #5

Oh absolutely, that is where it began. Horrific story. The children who were sent to America, was Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #9

I think it varied from family to family StevieM Jun 2014 #121

Criminal, really. No, I have not seen the film and was not aware of the back story..thank you for Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #133

??? whathehell Jun 2014 #160

There is a long history of willful ignorance that has accompanied forced adoptions. StevieM Jun 2014 #176

You forget that many, if not most, in that time, were not "forced", it whathehell Jun 2014 #182

That's the point. Our goal was a 100% relinquishment rate. It was the expected norm. StevieM Jun 2014 #195

Philomena was a real eye opener. I was expecting something lighter but boy, was I wrong! CTyankee Jun 2014 #218

The Church: the original slut shamers RainDog Jun 2014 #6

Religion shames sex Lex Jun 2014 #7

and it ascribes carnality to women. BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2014 #26

My Mom, born during the depression told me hollysmom Jun 2014 #202

My God...that is all so sick. And still common around the world. And many people would love to StevieM Jun 2014 #203

my paternal grandmother died in the 50's. hollysmom Jun 2014 #232

Shouldn't this be in the religious room discussion group? rickford66 Jun 2014 #8

No. This is about the treatment of women and children RainDog Jun 2014 #10

Thank you. theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #32

+1. SammyWinstonJack Jun 2014 #85

Absolutely get the red out Jun 2014 #198

It is intaglio Jun 2014 #12

or not so constructive Go Vols Jun 2014 #219

No, it shouldn't be. Because this is not just about religion or the Catholic Church. StevieM Jun 2014 #13

Yeah, I'd want to hide it too, if I were an apologist. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #18

He asked a question..I don't see where he "apologized" for anything, whathehell Jun 2014 #163

He didn't. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #168

Then why did you call him an "apologist"? whathehell Jun 2014 #172

apologists don't apologize whatthehey Jun 2014 #180

I get it, bro..Seriously, I'm not that literal minded and in any case, whathehell Jun 2014 #188

So why did you claim he was not being an apologist? whatthehey Jun 2014 #199

I've already explained myself to whathehell Jun 2014 #208

Because it doesn't mean anything about 'apologizing' and has to do with burying threads where they AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #181

Really?...Since when?..If that's the case, you should have used another word, whathehell Jun 2014 #186

I did. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #187

Not to me, bro.. whathehell Jun 2014 #189

"Which was a jab, not an actual accusation. The tactic is deplorable. I know rickford66 is not an AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #190

Oh, I see whathehell Jun 2014 #194

Not what you thought. rickford66 Jun 2014 #184

No worries. It was an unfair insinuation. AtheistCrusader Jun 2014 #185

No harm done. rickford66 Jun 2014 #191

The Church was only one player in the Baby Scoop Era me b zola Jun 2014 #41

I'd never heard of her before RainDog Jun 2014 #51

You are very welcome me b zola Jun 2014 #57

Oh, she was a real gem. Bessie Bernard too (see my link in the post right below yours) StevieM Jun 2014 #60

Thank you for pointing this out. The values of the Baby Scoop Era were endemic in the StevieM Jun 2014 #55

Never knew this, words just fail. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #135

Thanks to you and others for this information RainDog Jun 2014 #240

The bible belt has that belt tightly wrapped around the necks of their poor children fasttense Jun 2014 #61

I had no idea. No idea. None. KittyWampus Jun 2014 #63

That's what gets me so angry...most people don't even know (see my post a little above, #60) StevieM Jun 2014 #67

The good news is that some states have unsealed their records. Gormy Cuss Jun 2014 #71

Yes, we ARE making progress! me b zola Jun 2014 #74

But the Church was a big player intaglio Jun 2014 #166

Thank you. whathehell Jun 2014 #169

Why? nt Logical Jun 2014 #90

Why, on Earth? Crunchy Frog Jun 2014 #99

why do you think it should? La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #146

It speaks to society and hypocrisy malaise Jun 2014 #11

Thanks for referance rickyhall Jun 2014 #28

Manley was the best Prime Minister in Jamaican history malaise Jun 2014 #33

I have a cousin who has lived most of her life in Jamaica. mountain grammy Jun 2014 #141

Absolutely. jwirr Jun 2014 #88

Good thing we have religion and the church keeping us all moral... -eom gcomeau Jun 2014 #14

I wonder, fifty years from now if me b zola Jun 2014 #15

good point, and a very sad one. BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2014 #27

Caring enough to listen helps me b zola Jun 2014 #29

hug too BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2014 #42

That's exactly right. These women are nothing but whores to them. StevieM Jun 2014 #192

Awfull......The Church should be tried for crime against humanity. And sequestration. mylye2222 Jun 2014 #16

Would be wonderful to see that happen in a public way. toby jo Jun 2014 #21

I agree. This was genocide against the Irish. anneboleyn Jun 2014 #118

I'd say it should be tried for crimes, plural. Multiple, multiple crimes over centuries. Arugula Latte Jun 2014 #144

Ah, the stench of religious judgement. The bony finger of a Fake Cruel Jesus pointing out 'others'. byronius Jun 2014 #17

gawd, that's just... LittleGirl Jun 2014 #19

That's just it...they weren't human to some. The women were "whores" and the babies were "bastards" StevieM Jun 2014 #24

Canada has a sadly similar case, though not a church organized scheme OnlinePoker Jun 2014 #20

The Baby Scoop Era in Canada was absolutely ruthless StevieM Jun 2014 #22

And the Catholic church is against abortion but not outright mureder of babies once born. Hypocrits. jwirr Jun 2014 #89

That's as silly a LIE as saying that Georgia Tan's murders were a policy of the US govt. whathehell Jun 2014 #171

Says even MORE about how religion treats children defined as "bastards".... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2014 #23

Remember, God is a loving deity Arugula Latte Jun 2014 #31

The septic tank was their baptism. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2014 #35

You just perrectly summed up this story. Well done. Demo_Chris Jun 2014 #124

Because the child must be shamed even though the parents are the ones who broke church laws. Gormy Cuss Jun 2014 #73

I guess it goes back to the theory that EVERYONE is damned until they're "saved".... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2014 #91

"Sins of the Fathers" pink-o Jun 2014 #238

Galway Historian Catherine Corless mackerel Jun 2014 #25

Horrific! Most of those babies weren't stillbirths, either. MineralMan Jun 2014 #30

How are you sure of that? rug Jun 2014 #92

Same way you're sure there's a deity, I guess. MineralMan Jun 2014 #95

Ah, you're hoping. rug Jun 2014 #97

I'm hoping for many things. MineralMan Jun 2014 #98

That's nice, but you need to distinguish your "hope" from actual facts. whathehell Jun 2014 #173

A cluster of 800 stillbirths? What the fuck was in the water? nt msanthrope Jun 2014 #105

And your sure explanation is what? rug Jun 2014 #106

My sure explanation is that the honor killings these children were subjected to by the Bon Secours msanthrope Jun 2014 #107

You are sure that 800 children were killed by nuns? rug Jun 2014 #109

I think that when 25% of the children entrusted to your care die of preventable and treatable msanthrope Jun 2014 #110

You said they were killed. rug Jun 2014 #111

The death records were made public, rug. So we know exactly how these 796 children died. msanthrope Jun 2014 #112

This story broke when Corless announced she had found the death records and could identify them. rug Jun 2014 #114

Why can't it be determined what happened to them by the cause of death listed on the death msanthrope Jun 2014 #131

Most of the bodies don't have death certificates as I read it. rug Jun 2014 #132

You do know that whathehell Jun 2014 #167

Who is claiming there were "800 stillbirths"?..The poster said there were NONE. whathehell Jun 2014 #177

Because it says... PeaceNikki Jun 2014 #134

It doesn't say "most". rug Jun 2014 #136

It doesn't mention ANY as stillbirths. PeaceNikki Jun 2014 #139

Actually, not much at all is known about these bodies. rug Jun 2014 #142

"Rhetoric" does not mean "things rug doesn't want to believe" PeaceNikki Jun 2014 #143

And it doesn't mean "Time to trot out PeaceNikki's talking points." rug Jun 2014 #145

hrm. odd. like what 'talking points'? that doesn't even make sense. PeaceNikki Jun 2014 #148

Yeah, whatever. rug Jun 2014 #151

no shit. PeaceNikki Jun 2014 #153

Do you consider this "rhetoric"? theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #155

No, that is specific to this story. rug Jun 2014 #157

I think me saying, "The church was responsible for horrible atrocities." is what pissed him off PeaceNikki Jun 2014 #161

it mentions NOTHING about stillbirths, so where the fuck are you making that up from? La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #147

Amazing that there are DU church apologists for even this type of horror, isn't it? Arugula Latte Jun 2014 #149

i actually am fine if people say, maybe that number is normal for that time period La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #154

This is "St. rug" defender of the oppressed Catholics. PeaceNikki Jun 2014 #162

LOL and maker-up of info, when current info does not suit existing beliefs. nt La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #164

talking points!! PeaceNikki Jun 2014 #165

I see you still didn't find who brought up still births in the first place. rug Jun 2014 #175

It's good to get facts before running your mouth with your usual religion-baiting. rug Jun 2014 #174

dear st rug, PeaceNikki Jun 2014 #178

As soon as you use the correct name, nik. rug Jun 2014 #179

First of all, don't come flying in accusing me of making things "the fuck" up. rug Jun 2014 #150

i can come off any damn way i please. i dont think i need your permission. nt La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #152

You can come off any danm way you want, no matter how asinine. rug Jun 2014 #156

i can also do it any where i please. you dont run this website, or my words. La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2014 #158

Oh, please. rug Jun 2014 #159

Yes, apparently, severe malnutrition, TB, untreated diseases, horrific skin conditions... anneboleyn Jun 2014 #115

A very sad situation. I find it terribly disturbing. MineralMan Jun 2014 #130

Further proof that religion poisons everything... truebrit71 Jun 2014 #34

More accurately, further proos that humanity poisons everything... LanternWaste Jun 2014 #58

How does this comport with the Church's strict "right to life" stance? frazzled Jun 2014 #36

I am interested to see just how much media coverage this story gets. StevieM Jun 2014 #43

Here's an article from the Irish Times (Dublin) theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #44

Thanks for link- unfortunately no comments. I wanted to read comments from Irish citizens reacting KittyWampus Jun 2014 #64

This grave was first found nearly 40 years ago. rug Jun 2014 #96

Well it appears they never thought they were remains from The Home... Eyerish Jun 2014 #230

That's a little clearer. rug Jun 2014 #231

Only that she is a local Historian from the area... Eyerish Jun 2014 #241

I'm trying to cut through the expected rhetoric around this and learn what happened rug Jun 2014 #242

Underscores how the REALLY important part of the anti-abortion folks is control of women riderinthestorm Jun 2014 #48

It comports very well, because the Catholic Church is interested in souls, not the physical body. msanthrope Jun 2014 #108

It's about control. Organized Christianity has never given two shits about human life, in actual nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #126

Most "organizations", Christian, Non-Christan and Sectarian are about "control" whathehell Jun 2014 #193

Yes, it was hyperbole. But I find the Catholic Church's present-day "respect for life" stance nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #200

Thanks for that.. whathehell Jun 2014 #204

Anti-DP and anti-war is always good. But I find the anti-choice aspect hard to forgive - especially nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #206

My understanding is.. whathehell Jun 2014 #207

I absolutely agree with the last part. The RCC does at least allow greater freedom of thought and/or nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #209

Yes, and they accept Evolution & don't preach that idiotic "Creationism" whathehell Jun 2014 #214

I graduated from the 8th grade in '99, and then high school in '03. Yes, I'm a young 'un. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #221

Oh, yes you are! whathehell Jun 2014 #225

Progress, on the "micro" level, can so often seem agonizingly slow if not nonexistent. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #226

Yes, that's true.. whathehell Jun 2014 #234

The "morality contract" the Archdiocese is now making all Catholic school teachers sign. nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #235

What might the "morality contract" require? whathehell Jun 2014 #236

Here: nomorenomore08 Jun 2014 #239

Not just Cincinnati anymore, but Columbus and Cleveland. theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #237

I definitely agree with that last part. I was raised an evangelical Lutheran and they're nuts, too. PeaceNikki Jun 2014 #210

Thanks for sharing that, PeaceNikki.. whathehell Jun 2014 #216

lol, yeah. I was raised WELS (Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod). The craziest. PeaceNikki Jun 2014 #217

OMG..Michelle Bachman..It's good you got out in time! whathehell Jun 2014 #233

no kidding. PeaceNikki Jun 2014 #243

The RCC doesn't give a shit about "life." They care about controlling women. Arugula Latte Jun 2014 #227

The ultimate pro-life solution. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #37

Correct Freddie Jun 2014 #102

Horrible. AllyCat Jun 2014 #38

Now those are some faith based initiatives for you. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2014 #39

A grim reminder of the criminal insanity of RW Republican religious wackos, like Ted Cruz, Zorra Jun 2014 #40

+1. Cruz in particular, would have no problem with this. Remember that one of his church's beliefs freshwest Jun 2014 #123

A "Handmaid's Tale" scenario could very well become a reality if Cruz managed to get into the WH. Zorra Jun 2014 #212

Definitely. Although I'll be working for any Dem vs. the Cabal. Lotsa socialist ideas here still. freshwest Jun 2014 #220

It won't surprise me if this isn't the only place like that. GoCubsGo Jun 2014 #45

The abuse was ongoing and horrific theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #49

that was pretty Niceguy1 Jun 2014 #93

It was especially bad in the English-speaking world StevieM Jun 2014 #100

even worse Niceguy1 Jun 2014 #104

I will try to learn more about the practices that took place in Latin America. StevieM Jun 2014 #113

This has happened both in Canada and the U.S. polly7 Jun 2014 #117

"...The events that transpired there ... would even make a Nazi war criminal blush..." sybylla Jun 2014 #46

Waterford Whispers News is a Parody Site PaddyIrishman Jun 2014 #138

Poverty and Mother Church were the two reasons my grandmother fled Ireland. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #47

My wife was kidnapped as an infant Tribalceltic Jun 2014 #50

Your post brought tears to my eyes. All my love to your family. StevieM Jun 2014 #66

The Catholic Church was complicit in the mental and physical abuse of these children and their death secondwind Jun 2014 #52

800 children in about 40 years sounds about right. dilby Jun 2014 #53

They killed the ones that weren't "marketable" me b zola Jun 2014 #59

You must have read a different article than me or did not read it. dilby Jun 2014 #68

There are plenty of other sources that you should read. Ikonoklast Jun 2014 #82

You have to be fucking kidding me with this post..you playing some kind of game here? Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #137

They created the conditions in those hell holes. Shame on you (eom) StevieM Jun 2014 #62

It in no way sounds "about right" alphafemale Jun 2014 #69

A child starving to death in Ireland under British Rule was not uncommon. dilby Jun 2014 #75

1925 - 1961 Ireland was independent. n/t Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #78

Yeah. The Potato Famine was deliberate genocide. alphafemale Jun 2014 #79

Not under "British Rule," and twentieth century, not nineteenth. No excuse anneboleyn Jun 2014 #129

The recorded deaths occur during a 29 year period. herding cats Jun 2014 #76

Thank you. I hope that will make dilby think again (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jun 2014 #94

This makes me sick. Just appalling. Pro-life, yeah, right. anneboleyn Jun 2014 #116

Bullshit. Shame on you. eom libnnc Jun 2014 #80

That you would even mount some rationale or excuse for this is appalling theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #81

I am speechless, yet not surprised. Ilsa Jun 2014 #54

No Words cantbeserious Jun 2014 #56

Satan's Name Prophet 451 Jun 2014 #70

I'm thinking of some of those mothers now in their seventies or older. alphafemale Jun 2014 #72

We need to open the sealed birth records so that the babies that did survive StevieM Jun 2014 #77

I imagine it would be the rare parent of an adopted adult child... alphafemale Jun 2014 #86

The Baby Scoop Era was a terrible time. It was a "tell the world what happened here" chapter. StevieM Jun 2014 #87

There are no words. n/t Sissyk Jun 2014 #83

Magdalene Laundries - Joni Mitchell frogmarch Jun 2014 #84

This subject is close to her heart~Joni Mitchell lost a child to adoption during the scoop era me b zola Jun 2014 #205

Oh! I didn't know this. frogmarch Jun 2014 #213

Wow...her daughter was an LDA (Late Discovery Adoptee). I can't believe that as late as 1997 StevieM Jun 2014 #222

Did you know that Darryl McDaneils, one of the originators of hip-hop, was a late-discovery adoptee me b zola Jun 2014 #224

I had no idea. Great video! LDA stories always shock the hell out of me. StevieM Jun 2014 #228

He's a terrific progressive! me b zola Jun 2014 #229

Good old religion, ain't it just great! n/t RKP5637 Jun 2014 #101

Another article, this one from NPR theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #103

Whoa abelenkpe Jun 2014 #119

Sadly, many Americans don't realize that the Baby Scoop Era took place, or what it entailed. StevieM Jun 2014 #120

Two more articles theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #122

Horrible. pacalo Jun 2014 #125

"The Bon Secours Health System is the largest private hospital network in Ireland." baldguy Jun 2014 #128

Not even given Christian burials, poor things LiberalEsto Jun 2014 #140

The Church was a huge player in this scandal intaglio Jun 2014 #170

The Satanic Cult of Emperor Constantine strikes again! Dawson Leery Jun 2014 #183

Worse than a puppy mill get the red out Jun 2014 #196

*speechless* myrna minx Jun 2014 #197

My parents came from the Ireland of that era AngryAmish Jun 2014 #211

not just babies, children had to live and die there. Sunlei Jun 2014 #215

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2014 #223