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In reply to the discussion: Truvia sweetener a powerful pesticide; scientists shocked as fruit flies die in less than a week [View all]pbmus
(12,422 posts)119. Bt is not safe in the quantities we are spraying and ingesting it ..
Last edited Thu Jun 12, 2014, 12:26 AM - Edit history (1)
"Our governments and big agri have decided to spray BT EVERYWHERE, in the suburbs,farms, in our forests, and preserves. I totally understand they feel this is a safer alternative than chemical pesticides, but we all know there is collateral damage to other insect species when you do the research.A Canadian study demonstrated spores were detected in the nasal passages of Canadian citizens days and weeks after spraying Bt. It only takes a few sniffs and a swallow to ingest more Bt than one would ever consume from well washed organic foods over a lifetime.
After ingesting Bt (which loves our alkaline intestines) yes, our stomach acid may break down the bacteria, but for many stressed citizens and people who dilute their stomach acid with liquids, infection potential is present.
B cereus infections are on the rise and according to what I have read, in no way are doctors screening patients for Bt infections. Even so, it is difficult to detect the difference between B. cereus and B. thuringiensis in the lab. And they simply are not SCREENING for Bt infections!
Bt is found naturally in our soil BUT only in SMALL amounts. There is such a thing as flora BALANCE in soil as well as in animal guts. You simply can not start spraying Bt everywhere and not expect to upset the balance of nature.
As a scientist you should understand that ingesting too much water can KILL YOU And Bt is a spore, capable of surviving under harsh conditions even with exposure from rain and UV and in spite of what scientist (paid by big agri) want the ignorant public to believe we are heavily exposed to Bt and cry proteins from GMOs.
When doctors and scientists cant explain the etiology of booming rates of infertility, autism, Alzheimer disease, irritable bowel syndromes, chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia, then my theory is the introduction of GMOs and overuse of Bt (never tested long term on humans)are triggers.
We were told for decades that DdT was safe and for over half a century by big tobacco that smoking was perfectly fine and caused no problems. Bt and GMOs will go down the same road, sadly, with tremendous collateral damage to the eco system and all wildlife, including ignorant humans and those with major hubris."
Of course, I am not suggesting that you or any of the other DUers commenting on this thread have "major hubris". These thoughts are brought to you by a much smarter scientist than I am, hence the quotation marks.
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Truvia sweetener a powerful pesticide; scientists shocked as fruit flies die in less than a week [View all]
MindMover
Jun 2014
OP
Yes, I notice it says that up at the top of the article at the link.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
Jun 2014
#152
You do understand you CAN buy Erithrytol in a health food store...not just IN Truvia?
VanillaRhapsody
Jun 2014
#37
Beware psyllium husks are extremely dangerous to your health and well being ...nt
pbmus
Jun 2014
#38
Water is extremely dangerous to your health and well being if drunk in sufficient quantities!
VanillaRhapsody
Jun 2014
#39
I'm sorry to hear that. Food in the US, it is hard to even try to eat a healthy diet or feed it to
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#71
Thank you. As I said, DUers are extremely smart at doing their own research and don't
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#16
Yes, I know, which is why I said, 'we don't need to be protected' because we are capable
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#21
I think it is up to us to discern whether THIS article is valid. We ARE old enough and experienced
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#14
Is that supposed to mean something that refutes anything I said? In fact if anything, it confirms
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#27
I like to err on the side of caution when it comes to health issues and foods where there is any
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#46
It's a business, isn't it? As for DU, I am a star member also, but have taken the trouble to look
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#48
That information is about the sources. That it can be used as an insecticide isn't very encouraging
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#53
How sad. As I recall DU was opposed to Corps like Monsanto from its inception. In fact it was here
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#64
I went way further than Wikipedia and found out that the Manufacturers lost a Civil Lawsuit
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#139
So? Most of the produce we eat today is not natural....in that WE have always modified it....
VanillaRhapsody
Jun 2014
#155
if a fruit fly gets no fruit...also known as sugar....they die....Stevia is not a sugar.....
VanillaRhapsody
Jun 2014
#86
So are you saying the product is safe for human consumption? Is there anything that counters
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#31
I'm doing my best to get some answers from those who have attacked the source, regarding the
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#42
Lol, well I am pretty immune to attempts to avoid a topic by making fun of the questioner.
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#51
Many have noticed this phenomenon of people assigning themselves to the role of
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#67
Someone seems to be looking OUT for those that want to spread false information....
VanillaRhapsody
Jun 2014
#91
I notice you provided no link so we can decide how credible that source is. But, I see it does not
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#138
You can do exactly what I did and what you SHOULD have done BEFORE you spread these hair on fire lie
VanillaRhapsody
Jun 2014
#158
That was in the OP, did you read the links in the OP? Are you a supporter of genetically altered
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#164
Because some people present themselves as some sort of expert....and they they prove theyd
VanillaRhapsody
Jun 2014
#159
Yes I AM as the FDA says so.....are you goign to say THEY are unreliable now too?
VanillaRhapsody
Jun 2014
#157
If they flies have no sugar to eat....they die....doesn't mean its poisonous!
VanillaRhapsody
Jun 2014
#33
Sorry, they flies are not sugar eaters, they die, and it does mean sugar is poison ...nt
pbmus
Jun 2014
#127
fruit flies eat fruit....which ARE carbs Which ARE sugars.....and YES sugar has levels that are
VanillaRhapsody
Jun 2014
#161
What sites do you trust? I have done a quick scan for info on Truvia due to this OP.
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#65
the ingredients Stevia and...a journalist would probably know to look up ingredients...not tradename
VanillaRhapsody
Jun 2014
#90
Well it's always wise not the the word of any ONE source. As I said before, DUers are pretty smart
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#124
Lol, well if there are people here so sensitive that they cannot accept facts, there's not much
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#136
Thank you, and so are you. We need more discussion and less 'shut it DOWN' nonsense to keep
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#143
Pardon me for being the turd in the punchbowl. Chocolate can kills dogs. Yet we eat it all the time.
dballance
Jun 2014
#66
Too bad the discussion wasn't more about the product than about the source. There were two
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#69
Mmm so their claims WERE false. I only scanned the info, so missed that a lawsuit had been won
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#73
Not sure what that comment means so could you post it again and rephrase it?
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#125
If you think you're getting actual health related information from naturalnews...
SidDithers
Jun 2014
#104
SO??? That's the "egregious" ingredient in Truvia you all are talking about....
VanillaRhapsody
Jun 2014
#101
Quite frankly I do not care if you ingest truvia everyday for the next 50 yrs ... nt
pbmus
Jun 2014
#112
frankly I don't care if you believe bullshit from bullshit websites....I am not going to let it
VanillaRhapsody
Jun 2014
#114
I have learned a lot from this thread. So thanks to the OP for introducing us to this product and
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#140
The editorial board on Plos has more education than many could get in a million lifetimes ...nt
pbmus
Jun 2014
#105
This has become such an interesting thread where I have have learned so much I didn't know before.
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#144
interesting study, such a boring read. perhaps the company will have 2 markets for their product.
Sunlei
Jun 2014
#130
The civil suits mentioned in this thread concerned ad use of "Natural", not safety of consumption.
pinto
Jun 2014
#154
Thanks for that link. So the OP link that a few people are upset about was CORRECT. Truvia can be
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#156
but it does NOT mean it is harmful to humans....in fact the FDA says that it is NOT harmful
VanillaRhapsody
Jun 2014
#163
Genetically altered products are NOT natural. And from the research I have done so far, no one knows
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#165
it is NOT "genetically" altered.....you need to read what you are writing about....
VanillaRhapsody
Jun 2014
#166
I read the claims made in the lawsuit against Cargill for false advertising, in which the
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#172
as I said...."not natural" is not the same thing as "genetically modified" I HAVE read the article
VanillaRhapsody
Jun 2014
#173
As I said, the lawsuit stated that the the product contained genetically modified
sabrina 1
Jun 2014
#174