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MaggieD

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Thu Jun 19, 2014, 03:07 PM Jun 2014

How I found out the Bushies were lying about Iraq (before the war) [View all]

I have an interesting story to tell about how I found out the Bush administration was lying about the Iraq war a full year before it started. It's been 12 years so I may have forgotten a few of the minor details, but the overall experience is still vivid in my mind, and so I will tell it now because I think some of you may enjoy it.

(Full disclosure: I signed up for DU right when it started back in 2001. I got banned in 2004 after the election. I think it was because I said something unfavorable about John Kerry's campaign, but I don't know for sure. I just woke up the next day and logged in to find out I was banned. I wrote to the admins to ask why, but never received a response. I'm back now because apparently there was some sort of amnesty and old members can now reactivate their old account. So I did).

Okay, here's the story. Back in 2002 my spouse worked for a national news network. Not in the news department, but as a manager in operations for their web site. Ops employees would have exposure to some of the journalists but they didn't hob nob with them much. However, in Feb 2002 one of them did sit down with 5 or 6 of the ops management types (my spouse being one) and the discussion that ensued was fascinating. My spouse, knowing what a political junkie I am immediately wrote down the bullet points after the discussion was over so as to share them with me later.

The journalist in question is very famous. I won't disclose her name here, but suffice to say if I named her every one of you would recognize the name -- no Google required. She also, through familial relations, has very close ties to republicans (although I did not/ do not have the impression that she is on either the liberal or conservative team). I mention this to point out that I thought her information was solid because my assumption is that her familial relationships gave her good inside access. And she turned out to be exactly right later on, so there is that as well.

Here is what she said in Feb 2002:

- She said that we were definitely going to invade Iraq - no ifs, ands, or buts. She said the Bush administration would roll it out to the public in August. She was off by 1 month. She said the delay was for planning purposes, and apparently they'd used a lot of munitions in Afghanistan and needed to rebuild stores of missiles, etc. Nothing was mentioned about WMD. At the time it was about supposed ties to Al Qaeda.

- She said Cheney was indeed essentially running things at that point. If I recall correctly she called him the Shadow President.

- She said that the Bush administration made it very clear that journalists who wrote/reported negative stories about them would be cut off from access, and that this could ruin a journalists career.

- She also stated that some journalists had considered taking out a full page ad in the NYT about this access issue that would occur if negative stories about the Bushies were reported, but nothing had come of it, again, because it would lead to career suicide.

- Separate from this conversation, the person in charge of network news for this organization sent out a company wide email telling everyone that not supporting the administration was unpatriotic. I cannot remember the exact words in the email, but that was definitely the gist of it. I actually read the email myself (my spouse shared it with me).

So, the bottom line is that in all through the fall of 2002 when Bush was saying he had not made up his mind about invading Iraq -- that he was only asking for authorization from congress in case inspections failed, I knew he was lying his ass off (based on the information I heard in Feb 2002). And when the Downing Street Memo was released much later, stating that the Bush administration was fixing the facts around the policy that made perfect sense to me. There was no doubt in my mind, even before the memo was revealed, that was exactly what was done.

I don't know if other journalists had the same information as the person my spouse spoke with, but I know she did not speak out when Bush was claiming he had not made a decision about invading Iraq in the fall of 2002. Maybe she had no proof that was good enough for news reporting. Maybe she couldn't betray the familial relationships she had. I don't know. But I do know she was right. The Bush administration was determined to invade Iraq, come hell or high water.




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It was easy to tell they were lying about Iraq liberal N proud Jun 2014 #1
That was the biggest clue. Solly Mack Jun 2014 #2
So much evil done, while those in the know were too afraid to make a peep mainer Jun 2014 #3
I knew when Bush promoted an MIA pilot from 1st war & refused aid to look for him on point Jun 2014 #4
That was so laughable. It was the "Old Shoe" ploy right out of Wag the Dog. Gidney N Cloyd Jun 2014 #12
I was just about to bring this up davekriss Jun 2014 #46
They made up their minds before 9/11 warrior1 Jun 2014 #5
I know that too MaggieD Jun 2014 #7
I had no doubt that we were being marched into war in spite of the Skidmore Jun 2014 #6
thanks for the post GusBob Jun 2014 #8
They were wrong then and they're wrong now. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #9
It was easy to go figure. Policy wars = wrong. Always has and always will be wrong. L0oniX Jun 2014 #31
I was thinking it was August when Bush first mentioned Iraq. Hissyspit Jun 2014 #10
Campbell Brown? Gidney N Cloyd Jun 2014 #11
More famous than Campbell MaggieD Jun 2014 #23
Andrea Mitchell? (n/t) Samantha Jun 2014 #40
I'm pretty sure she's hinting around at her source being Andrea Mitchell. LeftyMom Jun 2014 #36
I thought about Michell but didn't think she'd be so loose-lipped. Gidney N Cloyd Jun 2014 #43
Thanks for sharing, and welcome back. I think journaling some of our memories is important... Hekate Jun 2014 #13
I knew before Bush was selected as President MiniMe Jun 2014 #14
Yeah, I did too MaggieD Jun 2014 #22
What fully convonced me they were lying rustydog Jun 2014 #15
Remember Powel showing those oil tanker trucks and saying they were mobile missile trucks? L0oniX Jun 2014 #32
Yes. Agreed MaggieD Jun 2014 #48
That was a big red flag for me, also. think4yourself Jun 2014 #54
what were journalists worried about losing access to, the bush admin? KG Jun 2014 #16
They were worried about losing access to their big paychecks... JHB Jun 2014 #25
As I've said many many times, the blame lies squarely at the feet of the media. MindPilot Jun 2014 #17
Thanks MaggieD.. we knew it too. It was so obvious they were cooking the books to bomb Iraq Cha Jun 2014 #18
Cokie Roberts, sounds like RainDog Jun 2014 #19
Nope. Not even close. She's a winger, no? MaggieD Jun 2014 #20
Baba Wawa Timez Squarez Jun 2014 #28
Nope. MaggieD Jun 2014 #30
Recommended. H2O Man Jun 2014 #21
Thanks for all the kind comments MaggieD Jun 2014 #24
I knew because I did some research ... CaptainTruth Jun 2014 #26
Oh yeah, I knew about PNAC MaggieD Jun 2014 #29
Thanks For Sharing - For Many The Lies Were Obvious cantbeserious Jun 2014 #27
Andrea Mitchell vanlassie Jun 2014 #33
We replied within a couple of minutes of each other. PearliePoo2 Jun 2014 #37
No doubt in my mind, anyway. vanlassie Jun 2014 #39
My guess is: PearliePoo2 Jun 2014 #34
Let me say this about that MaggieD Jun 2014 #45
My most distinct memory about the runup to Iraq II... Wounded Bear Jun 2014 #35
"Oh Wake up Maggie I think I got somethin to say to you..." elias49 Jun 2014 #38
To everyone saying you knew it was a lie too MaggieD Jun 2014 #41
Lots of people on the internet knew. LuvNewcastle Jun 2014 #59
Same with my Mother MaggieD Jun 2014 #66
I never believed ANYTHING Bush said after he stole the election in 2000 Samantha Jun 2014 #42
Good point MaggieD Jun 2014 #44
When I was 12 years old and Kennedy was assassinated Samantha Jun 2014 #49
And the media acted like it was all above board? MaggieD Jun 2014 #50
You believed something he said BEFORE then?? WinkyDink Jun 2014 #61
It was in the PNAC papers before the new century. nt valerief Jun 2014 #47
The media is flagrantly wicked polynomial Jun 2014 #51
PBS was running thorough documentaries before Ilsa Jun 2014 #52
You're making me think of Diane Sawyer supernova Jun 2014 #53
Nope - look up thread MaggieD Jun 2014 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author MaggieD Jun 2014 #55
You are right belpejic Jun 2014 #57
I wish historians would write this MaggieD Jun 2014 #58
My simple reason: THEY ARE REPUBLICANS. To purloin a phrase: That is all ye need to know. WinkyDink Jun 2014 #60
Looking back, it was such a frightening time. It was our "tasting menu" of Fascism. chrisa Jun 2014 #62
I am still haunted by a comment I saw made by then Sec of Treasury John Snow. He was asked, on the vanlassie Jun 2014 #63
Political Suicide?? mstinamotorcity2 Jun 2014 #64
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #65
January 2001 The Onion knew that Bush was going to start a war in the Middle East csziggy Jun 2014 #67
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