HomeLatest ThreadsGreatest ThreadsForums & GroupsMy SubscriptionsMy Posts
DU Home » Latest Threads » Forums & Groups » Main » General Discussion (Forum) » Obama needs to call Arne ... » Reply #188

Response to Android3.14 (Reply #187)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 09:39 AM

188. Here's a few notes, professor

I caught your 'simile - synonym' correction, thanks for tossing it. I'll leave 186 unedited, this line shows acknowledgement of my mistake, well enough.

Drop the lawyer act, just come right out and accuse mad of lying about having taught. Otherwise, your long-winded response in #187 -- with 4 sets of q and a s which don't really say what you want, but just imply it -- appears to be a tactic that is taught in 'De-Railing Conversations 101'.

Your use of 'motivation' in your third q shows you could use some time brushing up on definitions or reading comprehension, because it was a question about mad's actions, not the reasons she has for performing them. So bringing motivation into your answer doesn't respond to the question in a clear way, it just further obscures things. To a lesser extent, minor academic mistakes like mis-spelling weird and compliment can be avoided by clicking the helpful 'check spelling' box to the lower left of the reply box. These things tend to discredit your intellectual and academic capabilities, but there's no harm in being mistaken, as long as you learn from your mistakes.

If you feel that hostile responses populate the thread, at some point a reasonable person might take a moment to reflect on their own style and ask 'could it be something I'm doing that engenders this common response from diverse sources?' My take on your style is that you have a very thin veneer of 'humor', where you write accusations of lying and whining in a veiled manner. The accusations show real hostility, (YOU are angry), and you chortle up your sleeve that you got one over the jury system again. But it's not a happy laugh. If you're pretending to be polite, you aren't really convincing anyone else that is the case.

Your virginity simile, and exhaustive list of synonyms, aren't disturbing or shocking, they're just odd stylistic flashes that add nothing to the discussion. It's odd and ironic that you permit yourself these useless flashes, since you indict blogs as 'not primary sources', yet here you are on-line essentially functioning as a blog yourself, indicting blogs. And there are plenty of primary sources in the posts from mad or Diane Ravitch, which brings the derailed conversation back to the fore. This was written in the WaPo blog (of Post Education reporter Valerie Strauss), and it's something that you dismiss because, you know, it's a blog (so the arbiter can arbitrarily declare that primary sources and expert opinions aren't meeting their high expectations, and can therefore be mislabeled and ignored):

"Apparently, the department believes that more testing will help special education students achieve more in school. But since No Child Left Behind started, the standardized test-based “accountability” era more than a dozen years ago, there has been no evidence to show that standardized tests have improved student achievement, or that linking test scores to teacher evaluations has created better teachers."

It's a fact. It's a widely acknowledged fact, that bears discussion, and mad and other public ed advocates are trying to discuss it. You keep ignoring the testing end of things (example posts #70, 101, 139, and 186 are places where the issue was brought up, and you gloss over it, like you just don't see it.) The advocates and opponents of high-stakes nclb testing are continuing to say that public education is losing ground, it's observable reality. Opponents have been saying for over a decade that l'il bush's policy was just an attack on public education, an attempt to destroy it and steal the money for his wealthy cronies. But they were just bloggers with an opinion. (As usual, advocates are saying we should just stay the course, we just haven't enacted the policy fully enough and it needs more power and time to succeed.)

An afficionado of The Smirking Chimp, who use a 'lost virginity' simile to prove a point, might appreciate this: l'il bush's education policy is 'the Iraq invasion' of education policies. Bloggers opposed the Iraq debacle, saying that it was a horrible idea. Proponents said that there was no primary source to back up the assertions that his team was only interested in oil, profits, power; he was 'really' doing it for peace, democracy, national security, humanitarian interests. Opponent bloggers were all over the place with their conjectures (it was for the oil, it was revenge against Hussein, it was the chimp one-upping his dad for Freudian reasons, it was so he could consolidate power as a war president, it was so he could take Iraq's oil off the market to benefit the Saudi Exxon bottom line, it was so contractors like Halliburton and Blackwater could bleed us for obscene profits, etc.) They may have disagreed about the motives, but all agreed that the chimp was lying, and the results would be disastrous. Proponents said that those bloggers were all over the board, and had no proof that their suspicions were justifiable. These proponents' objections served to enable the bush Admin.

Here we are, 11 years later, and the results are disastrous. The opponents' predictions were proved true, the proponents' justifications proved disastrously false. Similar to his foreign policy, the chimps' Iraq War style education policy is a disaster, that he lied about to get implemented. We still get to see the architects of these failed plans opining on primary sources, all the time. Because the big money people are happy about the results, though they vary wildly from the stated aims used to justify the policy implementation. I'm not blaming you for Iraq with this simile or analogy, you just remind me of the Iraq policy proponents when you pursue your justification of l'il bush's 'Iraq Invasion' Education policies. Same tactics, same de-railment, same 'you can't prove it', for the same results.

Does your business happen to involve work with Rhee, Pearson, Broad, Gates, or any of the other witches brew of profiteers who want to destroy education and make big bucks out of denying non-rich Americans of the ability to learn? I only ask because it would go a long way towards explaining why duty called the educator-businessman to dust off the old account and suddenly re-enter the fray to forcefully back the Iraq invasion of education policies, while making thinly veiled insulting false accusations against a demonstrably good educator and Democrat like mad. Especially when any competent researcher knows that all over the country bad news is pouring in about educational opportunities for non-wealthy public school students, whether you accept the sources as primary \ substantive or not.

Reply to this post

Back to OP Alert abuse Link to post in-thread

Always highlight: 10 newest replies | Replies posted after I mark a forum
Replies to this discussion thread
Arrow 192 replies Author Time Post
madfloridian Jun 2014 OP
historylovr Jun 2014 #1
madfloridian Jun 2014 #22
Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2014 #80
DhhD Jun 2014 #23
madfloridian Jun 2014 #36
Demeter Jun 2014 #33
markmyword Jun 2014 #39
amandabeech Jun 2014 #71
CorporatistNation Jun 2014 #127
Autumn Jun 2014 #2
madfloridian Jun 2014 #9
DamnYankeeInHouston Jun 2014 #38
TBF Jun 2014 #3
Enthusiast Jun 2014 #28
leftstreet Jun 2014 #4
Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2014 #5
madfloridian Jun 2014 #10
Doctor_J Jun 2014 #13
Enthusiast Jun 2014 #27
MisterP Jun 2014 #40
QC Jun 2014 #19
woo me with science Jun 2014 #6
riversedge Jun 2014 #7
madfloridian Jun 2014 #8
woo me with science Jun 2014 #73
Demeter Jun 2014 #34
Skittles Jun 2014 #86
bahrbearian Jun 2014 #11
madfloridian Jun 2014 #91
Squinch Jun 2014 #12
Fearless Jun 2014 #14
QC Jun 2014 #25
KoKo Jun 2014 #15
lumberjack_jeff Jun 2014 #16
LibDemAlways Jun 2014 #20
madfloridian Jun 2014 #21
msongs Jun 2014 #26
LibDemAlways Jun 2014 #17
Dustlawyer Jun 2014 #18
madfloridian Jun 2014 #30
Android3.14 Jun 2014 #41
madfloridian Jun 2014 #45
Android3.14 Jun 2014 #49
madfloridian Jun 2014 #50
Android3.14 Jun 2014 #55
madfloridian Jun 2014 #57
Android3.14 Jun 2014 #84
msanthrope Jun 2014 #97
DhhD Jun 2014 #67
Android3.14 Jun 2014 #83
Smarmie Doofus Jun 2014 #68
Android3.14 Jun 2014 #78
dsc Jun 2014 #89
Android3.14 Jun 2014 #116
lumberjack_jeff Jun 2014 #92
kcr Jun 2014 #108
lumberjack_jeff Jun 2014 #128
kcr Jun 2014 #150
Smarmie Doofus Jun 2014 #129
lumberjack_jeff Jun 2014 #130
Smarmie Doofus Jun 2014 #131
lumberjack_jeff Jun 2014 #146
Smarmie Doofus Jun 2014 #178
lumberjack_jeff Jun 2014 #181
Enthusiast Jun 2014 #24
ReRe Jun 2014 #29
madfloridian Jun 2014 #32
Android3.14 Jun 2014 #42
madfloridian Jun 2014 #46
AnotherMother4Peace Jun 2014 #58
Android3.14 Jun 2014 #63
madfloridian Jun 2014 #64
Android3.14 Jun 2014 #79
madfloridian Jun 2014 #82
Fairgo Jun 2014 #104
madfloridian Jun 2014 #106
woo me with science Jun 2014 #88
Android3.14 Jun 2014 #114
AnotherMother4Peace Jun 2014 #142
Android3.14 Jun 2014 #151
madfloridian Jun 2014 #160
AnotherMother4Peace Jun 2014 #65
AnotherMother4Peace Jun 2014 #69
Fairgo Jun 2014 #105
Android3.14 Jun 2014 #81
AnotherMother4Peace Jun 2014 #85
Android3.14 Jun 2014 #112
AnotherMother4Peace Jun 2014 #140
Android3.14 Jun 2014 #148
madfloridian Jun 2014 #132
WinkyDink Jun 2014 #135
DhhD Jun 2014 #70
madfloridian Jun 2014 #117
DesertDiamond Jun 2014 #31
Android3.14 Jun 2014 #35
elleng Jun 2014 #37
Android3.14 Jun 2014 #43
madfloridian Jun 2014 #47
Android3.14 Jun 2014 #53
madfloridian Jun 2014 #56
Android3.14 Jun 2014 #119
madfloridian Jun 2014 #120
Mc Mike Jun 2014 #107
DhhD Jun 2014 #72
madfloridian Jun 2014 #74
Android3.14 Jun 2014 #75
AnotherMother4Peace Jun 2014 #76
lumberjack_jeff Jun 2014 #90
AnotherMother4Peace Jun 2014 #44
madfloridian Jun 2014 #52
AnotherMother4Peace Jun 2014 #62
lumberjack_jeff Jun 2014 #94
AnotherMother4Peace Jun 2014 #138
madfloridian Jun 2014 #48
Mc Mike Jun 2014 #98
madfloridian Jun 2014 #99
Rex Jun 2014 #102
madfloridian Jun 2014 #103
msanthrope Jun 2014 #167
Mc Mike Jun 2014 #113
madfloridian Jun 2014 #115
Mc Mike Jun 2014 #118
madfloridian Jun 2014 #121
Mc Mike Jun 2014 #136
DrDan Jun 2014 #51
no_hypocrisy Jun 2014 #54
Android3.14 Jun 2014 #60
Smarmie Doofus Jun 2014 #59
madfloridian Jun 2014 #61
alp227 Jun 2014 #66
WinkyDink Jun 2014 #77
AnotherMother4Peace Jun 2014 #87
HooptieWagon Jun 2014 #93
840high Jun 2014 #110
ancianita Jun 2014 #95
madfloridian Jun 2014 #122
ancianita Jun 2014 #124
msanthrope Jun 2014 #96
MFrohike Jun 2014 #123
msanthrope Jun 2014 #164
MFrohike Jun 2014 #169
Rex Jun 2014 #100
madfloridian Jun 2014 #101
madfloridian Jun 2014 #109
Rex Jun 2014 #111
greatlaurel Jun 2014 #125
madfloridian Jun 2014 #126
Scuba Jun 2014 #133
Android3.14 Jun 2014 #134
Scuba Jun 2014 #137
Android3.14 Jun 2014 #145
Scuba Jun 2014 #147
Android3.14 Jun 2014 #152
madfloridian Jun 2014 #139
AnotherMother4Peace Jun 2014 #141
madfloridian Jun 2014 #143
AnotherMother4Peace Jun 2014 #144
AnotherMother4Peace Jun 2014 #149
greatlaurel Jun 2014 #153
Android3.14 Jun 2014 #154
madfloridian Jun 2014 #155
Android3.14 Jun 2014 #157
madfloridian Jun 2014 #159
Mc Mike Jun 2014 #163
Android3.14 Jun 2014 #165
Mc Mike Jun 2014 #186
Android3.14 Jun 2014 #187
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply Here's a few notes, professor
Mc Mike Jul 2014 #188
madfloridian Jul 2014 #189
Mc Mike Jul 2014 #190
madfloridian Jul 2014 #191
Mc Mike Jul 2014 #192
Rex Jun 2014 #156
Android3.14 Jun 2014 #158
madfloridian Jun 2014 #161
Rex Jun 2014 #162
merrily Jun 2014 #176
madfloridian Jun 2014 #180
madfloridian Jun 2014 #166
msanthrope Jun 2014 #168
madfloridian Jun 2014 #170
msanthrope Jun 2014 #171
madfloridian Jun 2014 #172
msanthrope Jun 2014 #173
madfloridian Jun 2014 #174
msanthrope Jun 2014 #175
madfloridian Jun 2014 #179
msanthrope Jun 2014 #182
madfloridian Jun 2014 #184
msanthrope Jun 2014 #185
emsimon33 Jun 2014 #177
raouldukelives Jun 2014 #183
Please login to view edit histories.