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mnhtnbb

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17. Actually, the Bible does describe the ingestion of an abortafacient
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 08:25 AM
Jul 2014

administered by a priest to a wife that a husband suspects of adultery. And none other than
Moses was tapped to bring the law to the Israelites. If she's guilty (and pregnant--possibly by someone other than the husband), there is an effective abortion.

It's quite an interesting story.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordeal_of_the_bitter_water



Numbers 5:11-31 Revised Standard Version


11 The Lord spoke to Moses, saying: 12 Speak to the Israelites and say to them: If any man's wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him, 13 if a man has had intercourse with her but it is hidden from her husband, so that she is undetected though she has defiled herself, and there is no witness against her since she was not caught in the act; 14 if a spirit of jealousy comes on him, and he is jealous of his wife who has defiled herself; or if a spirit of jealousy comes on him, and he is jealous of his wife, though she has not defiled herself; 15 then the man shall bring his wife to the priest. And he shall bring the offering required for her, one-tenth of an ephah of barley flour. He shall pour no oil on it and put no frankincense on it, for it is a grain offering of jealousy, a grain offering of remembrance, bringing iniquity to remembrance. 16 Then the priest shall bring her near, and set her before the Lord; 17 the priest shall take holy water in an earthen vessel, and take some of the dust that is on the floor of the tabernacle and put it into the water. 18 The priest shall set the woman before the Lord, dishevel the woman's hair, and place in her hands the grain offering of remembrance, which is the grain offering of jealousy. In his own hand the priest shall have the water of bitterness that brings the curse. 19 Then the priest shall make her take an oath, saying, "If no man has lain with you, if you have not turned aside to uncleanness while under your husband's authority, be immune to this water of bitterness that brings the curse. 20 But if you have gone astray while under your husband's authority, if you have defiled yourself and some man other than your husband has had intercourse with you," 21 —let the priest make the woman take the oath of the curse and say to the woman—"the Lord make you an execration and an oath among your people, when the Lord makes your uterus drop, your womb discharge; 22 now may this water that brings the curse enter your bowels and make your womb discharge, your uterus drop!" And the woman shall say, "Amen. Amen." 23 Then the priest shall put these curses in writing, and wash them off into the water of bitterness. 24 He shall make the woman drink the water of bitterness that brings the curse, and the water that brings the curse shall enter her and cause bitter pain. 25 The priest shall take the grain offering of jealousy out of the woman's hand, and shall elevate the grain offering before the Lord and bring it to the altar; 26 and the priest shall take a handful of the grain offering, as its memorial portion, and turn it into smoke on the altar, and afterward shall make the woman drink the water. 27 When he has made her drink the water, then, if she has defiled herself and has been unfaithful to her husband, the water that brings the curse shall enter into her and cause bitter pain, and her womb shall discharge, her uterus drop, and the woman shall become an execration among her people. 28 But if the woman has not defiled herself and is clean, then she shall be immune and be able to conceive children. 29 This is the law in cases of jealousy, when a wife, while under her husband's authority, goes astray and defiles herself, 30 or when a spirit of jealousy comes on a man and he is jealous of his wife; then he shall set the woman before the Lord, and the priest shall apply this entire law to her. 31 The man shall be free from iniquity, but the woman shall bear her iniquity.



Spot on. safeinOhio Jul 2014 #1
How the kNOw nothings have come to rule Bortman33 Jul 2014 #2
It's far worse than that. They use bad science, too. longship Jul 2014 #3
I don't think the higher ups are ignorant. I think they're cynical. merrily Jul 2014 #9
Or outright lying. longship Jul 2014 #24
They know, IronLionZion Jul 2014 #4
Yeah, it's always a bad moment when... Jerry442 Jul 2014 #10
can;t be said enough, for those people, Religious Freedom = religious privilege KG Jul 2014 #5
Thou shall not eat hard-shell crabs and shrimp either...but no one cites this. kelliekat44 Jul 2014 #6
Actually, they do cite it, but explain it away. merrily Jul 2014 #12
The NT says women should remain at home raising children, silent in public, modestly dressed Bluenorthwest Jul 2014 #33
I'm not sure it's ignorance--the Bible is like a Rorscach test--you see in it what you want to see. bklyncowgirl Jul 2014 #7
It's the "Buffet Bible" KansDem Jul 2014 #11
I don't think they want to leave anything for others. merrily Jul 2014 #14
I suppose they would say the same thing about "liberal" Christians bklyncowgirl Jul 2014 #15
+1 Enthusiast Jul 2014 #20
I agree to a point, but it's REALLY hard to miss the stuff about merrily Jul 2014 #13
I am sure it is ignorance...and I have been saying it for decades. zeemike Jul 2014 #18
Actually following teachings of Jesus will not give you a club to beat up on others. bklyncowgirl Jul 2014 #25
Well that was of course my point. zeemike Jul 2014 #30
Excellent post! Great insight into the "some Christian" condition. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #19
And they use it to make god in their image. FiveGoodMen Jul 2014 #38
These people are getting more and more power... yuiyoshida Jul 2014 #8
They would take every last bit of the power, given the chance. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #21
K&R! These fuckers don't know shit about the bible. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #16
Actually, the Bible does describe the ingestion of an abortafacient mnhtnbb Jul 2014 #17
Seems pretty clear to me. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #23
Really. mnhtnbb Jul 2014 #35
Gosh, the knowledge of human reproduction represented in this Holy Text - simply amazing! hatrack Jul 2014 #26
I wonder why this didn't come up during the court case perdita9 Jul 2014 #32
I think it stems from that "be fruitful and multiply" part Marrah_G Jul 2014 #22
K&R Solly Mack Jul 2014 #27
Huge K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2014 #28
We give the religious folks power gladly out of fear rurallib Jul 2014 #29
Numbers, 5, 19-28 supports abortion perdita9 Jul 2014 #31
Did they even know what abortion was at the time? kwolf68 Jul 2014 #36
The road to the demise of America will be paved with religion. n/t RKP5637 Jul 2014 #34
there's actually numerous old, respectable, robust schools of interpretation MisterP Jul 2014 #37
Actually it does make one small mention of contraception. Onan. CBGLuthier Jul 2014 #39
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