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Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
16. Oh, so the mere presence of a weapon in your car is a deterrence?
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 10:58 AM
Jul 2014

Then all those RW propaganda pieces about how the presence of concealed weapons, or even better yet, open carry must be a great deterrence too. Because during the period that crime was dropping, many states enacted concealed carry laws. So perhaps it's the concealed carry laws that are causing the drop in violent crime. Then again, the adaptation of ethanol in gasoline became wide spread right before the last peak of violent crime, so perhaps it is the presence of ethanol that caused the drop in violent crime.

The argument that the rifle is the preferred weapon in active shooter situations is also problematic. The example I sited with the famed school shooting scenario. In that situation, a rifle is not the best weapon, because to open doors you have to take one hand from the rifle, thus loosing all the accuracy you claim is the most important advantage of the rifle. Then you discuss frangible ammunition. So why not load the pistols with similar ammunition? There are frangible ammunition for the pistols.

But let's do a test. How fast can you turn a corner inside of a building with a rifle? How fast can you turn the same corner with a pistol? Answer? The pistol is the preferred weapon in clearing a house. The tactics being used by the police were developed by the military who were handicapped by the fact that every soldier did not have a pistol, but every soldier did have a rifle. It is called MOUT, or Military Operations in Urban Terrain. It is not called Law Enforcement in the 21st Century.

What really happens is that police use these rifles like pistols, firing round after round, endangering people for three quarters of a mile in any direction. Let's look at some highlights of the great AR rifle in actual action. Not the fantasy excuse stuff mentioned to justify them by police, and RW lunatics who buy the same rifle to fight the government.



A lot of rounds being fired. Were those police not taking advantage of the superior accuracy of the weapon? The fact that the guy in the boat was without a single bullet to be fired, and the police were all "returning fire" we don't know who fired the first round.

This guy was armed with a pistol, and a bolt action rifle. This active shooter situation was responded to with restraint and concern for something, perhaps the public was somewhere on the list of concerns. Way down the list.



These people do not need more firepower. They need to learn how to restrain themselves.



Before you tell everyone of the awesome training of the police to de-escalate the violence.

http://www.nbc-2.com/story/25972989/lee-county-deputies-investigating-possible-shooting

As demonstrated in the previous post, the chances of the public dying at the hands of police is much higher, by a factor of at least ten, than the police getting killed. The police have argued successfully in court that they have no constitutional duty to protect the public. The argument was made when the police who had the awesome guns, couldn't be bothered to rescue children in the hands of a homicidal parent.

So again, why is it that you need the Rambo mark nine super soldier fully automatic assault rifle? In situations where a rifle would be needed, a bolt action rifle is more accurate still with the use of a telescopic sight. A shotgun loaded with birdshot would penetrate pretty much no wallboard, brick, or concrete.

If the police showed restraint with these rifles when they are actually used, minimizing the numbers of rounds fired, instead of working to fire as many as possible, I might be tempted to agree with you. But the problem is that when Police break out the Rambo signature model, they grab hundreds of rounds of ammunition. You said you were issued six magazines of ammunition. Thirty rounds times six magazines comes to one hundred and eighty rounds per rifle. If you have a single active shooter that you have to shoot 180 times, then you are fighting The Terminator, and your rifle ain't going to cut it. You might want to find some sort of bomb, or a huge stamping press, or a foundry with melted steel. Better yet, just ask the director what you are supposed to do because you've wondered onto a movie studio soundstage and have been shooting the special effects designers pride and joy.
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