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merrily

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23. Yep. This is why no one who is pro-choice should use the term "pro-life" or let
Wed Jul 16, 2014, 04:39 AM
Jul 2014

anyone who is not truly pro-life get away with using it.

If someone doesn't believe in protecting life that is outside the womb from hunger, illness, war, random shootings, state mandated murder or other unnecessary suffering or unnecessary death, that person is anti-choice, period. Please label them correctly as "anti-choice," even "anti-women's health" and push back every time anyone in your presence claims to be pro-choice.

Words matter. Frank Lunz (to name only one) has made a lucrative career out of choosing different words for awful things, to make them sound less awful. That's because words influence how we think and how we think influences how we speak and act.

A bit of history on the linguistics of the subject for those who may not know: The lingo started with "anti-abortion" and "pro-abortion."

Then, pro-choice people got that they were not pushing abortions, per se, but advocating only that a woman should have a right to make choices about her own body and her own health needs. (No one cheerleads for abortion per se.) So, they dropped the inaccurate "pro-abortion and substituted the more accurate "pro-choice."

For about a minute and a half (figuratively), the two sides were "pro-choice" and "anti-abortion." That was not accurate, either, though because, as Hobby Lobby showed, it is not only abortion they are against. And they do not limit their opposition to their own lives, but insist on removing choice from others as well. Also, "anti-abortion" implied the other side of the issue was proabortion, which it is not.

Soon after "pro-choice" came into use, the anti-choice people claimed they were not really "anti" anything. They were simply "pro-life." And our disgusting media immediately took up that lie. A huge lie from people who never (until Obama?) met an alleged casus belli they couldn't get behind, who applauded Ron Paul when he mentioned the specter of someone's dropping dead outside an Emergency Room door for lack of health insurance, who applaud their Governors when they speak of how many their state executed that year, who begrudge every penny that does not go to private profits, etc.

Pro-Life? I think not. It is not merely a word choice. It's a huge lie. Don't let anyone get away with a lie that huge.


JUST. STOP. IT. [View all] Triana Jul 2014 OP
Fucking brilliant! nt Xipe Totec Jul 2014 #1
Fugelsang is a patriot imho. nt BootinUp Jul 2014 #2
Damn @MSNBC ought to give the man his own show. Triana Jul 2014 #4
He was the best of the Sexy Liberal show tour. spooky3 Jul 2014 #12
I second this! Marie Marie Jul 2014 #15
Couldn't have said it better myself. Curmudgeoness Jul 2014 #3
Damn right. 99Forever Jul 2014 #5
I'm sure it was quoted on DU before , but repeating it is so appropriate SummerSnow Jul 2014 #6
+1 Triana Jul 2014 #10
I'd push it farther - on the pro-choice front, that is. calimary Jul 2014 #7
Yes! Submit this as a LTTE to your local LuckyLib Jul 2014 #18
Yep. This is why no one who is pro-choice should use the term "pro-life" or let merrily Jul 2014 #23
I call such people "anti-choice", "pro-forced-birth", and "big-government types". riqster Jul 2014 #26
Agreed. My preferences are "anti-choice" and "anti-women's health." merrily Jul 2014 #28
Rape enablers...nt freebrew Jul 2014 #30
They're not really pro-life. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #25
Their comeback-But thats Soshalizm! ErikJ Jul 2014 #8
Print out the dictionary definition(s) of socialism and hand them a printout. merrily Jul 2014 #29
Varying degrees of socialism-That's 100% socialism ErikJ Jul 2014 #32
I don't think we have even 30% socialism. merrily Jul 2014 #33
Agreed but I never saiid the US owned any means of production like pure 100% socialism/communism ErikJ Jul 2014 #35
Owning the means of production is the definiton of socialism. merrily Jul 2014 #36
The socialist spectrum ErikJ Jul 2014 #37
Again, how do you define socialism? merrily Jul 2014 #38
HA! How do you define conservative or liberal then? ErikJ Jul 2014 #39
I use standard definitions, not stuff I make up to fit the post I'm making at the moment. merrily Jul 2014 #40
Youre just wanting to debate. ErikJ Jul 2014 #41
K&R! DeSwiss Jul 2014 #9
Love it! nt littlemissmartypants Jul 2014 #17
Freakin' awesome. +1 riqster Jul 2014 #27
Thanks for posting another golden nugget from Fugelsang, Traina. FailureToCommunicate Jul 2014 #11
K&R ReRe Jul 2014 #13
KnR sheshe2 Jul 2014 #14
K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2014 #16
Petition to get Fugelsang his own show on MSNBC Triana Jul 2014 #19
Thanks, Triana Iwillnevergiveup Jul 2014 #20
Thank you! Triana Jul 2014 #21
Some of these "Patriots" are CONVINCED they are in the majority in wanting to execute Liberals. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #22
Kicked and recommended! Just the kind of insight I would expect from Fugelsang. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #24
"If you are afraid of a public option and competition..." JayhawkSD Jul 2014 #31
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #34
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