There's not enough "oozers" to explain that effect (Reply #51)

In the discussion thread: David Sirota: Clinton Isn’t Warren, No Matter What Her Allies Say [View all]

Sat Aug 2, 2014, 03:56 AM

Scootaloo (25,699 posts)

51. There's not enough "oozers" to explain that effect

The problem is the party itself constantly lurching rightward. Not due to the nefarious influence if a small gribble of ship-jumpters, but because it is easy and profitable. it takes effort to take a stand. Taking stands can have expense. Why rock the boat whe nyou can float along and get showered with lobby money for "doing the right thing?"

And of course there's the problem that Democratic voters seem to have no concept of how to say "no." I've been watching this tide of stupid rise around us fr the last few years, this hyper-partisan "DEMOCRATS DO NO WRONG!" belief system that mirrors that of the Republicans... and it's dangerous. when you put party above principles, well, shit, why are you bothering with a party at all at that point?

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53 replies	Author	Time	Post
David Sirota: Clinton Isn’t Warren, No Matter What Her Allies Say [View all]	marmar	Aug 2014	OP
Kick, Rec n/t	Smarmie Doofus	Aug 2014	#1
To be honest, I thought Hillary abstained from voting on Bankruptcy Deform.	closeupready	Aug 2014	#2
She voted for the 2001 bill which didn't pass and missed the vote on the 2005 bill.	PoliticAverse	Aug 2014	#5
k&R	KoKo	Aug 2014	#3
k&r for the truth, however depressing it may be. n/t	Laelth	Aug 2014	#4
Why would Hillary be Warren or why would Warren be Clinton? How do you determing who would be	Thinkingabout	Aug 2014	#6
The present Warren or the one who probably voted for Reagan twice?	BeyondGeography	Aug 2014	#7
"probably voted for Reagan twice"? "PROBABLY"!	hedgehog	Aug 2014	#9
Per-zactly!	Plucketeer	Aug 2014	#11
She can say she didn't vote for him	BeyondGeography	Aug 2014	#17
I am sick and tired of Republicans oozing over to join the Democrats	Fred Friendlier	Aug 2014	#33
There's not enough "oozers" to explain that effect	Scootaloo	Aug 2014	#51
Hillary was a Goldwater girl	PADemD	Aug 2014	#24
Who supported Eugene McCarthy as a junior in college, and then campaigned for McGovern in '72	BeyondGeography	Aug 2014	#25
Hey, good point. Richard Shelby was a Democrat when he was 46 years old....	beerandjesus	Aug 2014	#28
there are pubs in my family who vote dem. broad brush much?	roguevalley	Aug 2014	#42
And Reagan used to be a big time Democrat too!	cascadiance	Aug 2014	#30
The main point is how easy	BeyondGeography	Aug 2014	#37
not likely imho	roguevalley	Aug 2014	#43
I guess just as easily as wingnuts "deflate" Thom Hartmann for campaigning for Goldwater...	cascadiance	Aug 2014	#48
How dare you not toe the DU line when it comes to the infallible Warren...	Cali_Democrat	Aug 2014	#35
So the person who "probably" voted for Goldwater...	ljm2002	Aug 2014	#38
She was not even eligible to vote for Goldwater is how it works	BeyondGeography	Aug 2014	#39
Well since she campaigned for Goldwater...	ljm2002	Aug 2014	#40
She campaigned for Goldwater but was not old enough to vote.	Thinkingabout	Aug 2014	#46
I concede. n/t	ljm2002	Aug 2014	#49
Or, or the future Warren that probably will become a Scientology.	rhett o rick	Aug 2014	#45
Good...Warren also has her flaws...	joeybee12	Aug 2014	#8
No, they do admit she has flaws.	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Aug 2014	#27
If anyone is looking for any dem to mildly criticize and say, maybe, just maybe	joeybee12	Aug 2014	#29
Actually, they can look at Rep Ellison of Minnesota. nt	Erich Bloodaxe BSN	Aug 2014	#32
He's the only one, and I should clarify any Dem with national	joeybee12	Aug 2014	#34
I would vote for Warren over Hillary but I have some suspicions about what role Warren is...	L0oniX	Aug 2014	#10
Don't forget, we're talking about the Democratic Party here -	hedgehog	Aug 2014	#13
Yep ...thinking the Dem party is above manipulation is indeed ludicrous.	L0oniX	Aug 2014	#15
If we are going to discuss manipulation, let's get serious and look	hedgehog	Aug 2014	#23
could it be,that Rogers meant a small d?	sadoldgirl	Aug 2014	#18
if Warren lets Hillary make that claim, then it's essentially true	Enrique	Aug 2014	#12
It is going to be hard to find a candidate who is mot supported by corporations.	Thinkingabout	Aug 2014	#47
Sirota is taking a break from Obama bashing this week?	conservaphobe	Aug 2014	#14
some people don't like conservatism, regardless of who's practicing it	Doctor_J	Aug 2014	#20
Lol. Melodramatic much? nt	conservaphobe	Aug 2014	#21
says the poster of reply#14	Doctor_J	Aug 2014	#22
That is a good read.	JaydenD	Aug 2014	#16
The Hillary Is Inevitable club make a few vanity posts every time Warren	Doctor_J	Aug 2014	#19
Its like Obama split into two people	LiberalLovinLug	Aug 2014	#26
HRC played a leading part in drafting the TPP	antigop	Aug 2014	#31
To be fair Clinton was in the Senate for eight years whereas Warren has only been in	totodeinhere	Aug 2014	#36
Sirota - still a hack	wyldwolf	Aug 2014	#41
that is_why he will never get my vote. clinton better step up. I'm already tired of her and her tin	roguevalley	Aug 2014	#44
" . . . filled in for George W. Bush . . ."	Major Hogwash	Aug 2014	#50
Well, it's a step, and a tool	Babel_17	Aug 2014	#52
Hillary is clearly campaigning for the support of the wealthy and no DLCer	yurbud	Aug 2014	#53

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