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MADem

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230. Two things--I invite your attention to the LINKS at Wikipedia, which are scholarly and
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 10:32 PM
Aug 2014

just fine and dandy, and second, I really think you are protesting too much.

What you are doing is the equivalent of insisting that water is not wet.

YAHOO ANSWERS is not an "alternative" to Wikipedia. It is a site populated by trolls and teen moms, and no citations are provided. The garbage you just posted was precisely that--garbage. It has no place at DU. I urge you to consider deletion.

That term has NOTHING to do what is happening in Gaza (I don't think anyone "approves" of the slaughter of innocent civilians), it predates it by more than a century. I simply do not believe that your "Jewish professor" was so ignorant of history that he was unaware of this, so my only conclusion coming from a positive POV can be that you must have misheard what he said, because surely you would not want to use his name to shade your argument--without any links, I notice (while you disparage me for my Wikipedia and ADL sources--with footnotes to the documented claims?).

Why don't you dig your hole even deeper, and tell us that the Encyclopedia Britannica is a shit source, as well?

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/27646/anti-Semitism

anti-Semitism, hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious or racial group. The term anti-Semitism was coined in 1879 by the German agitator Wilhelm Marr to designate the anti-Jewish campaigns under way in central Europe at that time. Although the term now has wide currency, it is a misnomer, since it implies a discrimination against all Semites. Arabs and other peoples are also Semites, and yet they are not the targets of anti-Semitism as it is usually understood. The term is especially inappropriate as a label for the anti-Jewish prejudices, statements, or actions of Arabs or other Semites. Nazi anti-Semitism, which culminated in the Holocaust, had a racist dimension in that it targeted Jews because of their supposed biological characteristics—even those who had themselves converted to other religions or whose parents were converts. This variety of anti-Jewish racism dates only to the emergence of so-called “scientific racism” in the 19th century and is different in nature from earlier anti-Jewish prejudices. ...


Last time I checked 1879 was a hundred years earlier than 1969. Either you were inattentive at your lectures, or your professor was ignorant of history.

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Is blatant anti-Semitism rampant here at DU? [View all] Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 OP
jury results. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #1
To be crystal clear: this poll is not about a jury result Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #5
Would you like me to self delete it? hrmjustin Aug 2014 #22
No. You are a MIRT team member (and a damn fine one I might add) Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #26
Thank you for the kind words. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #28
There are a couple of clear instances, but rampant? No. nt DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2014 #2
Yup. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #12
Is blatant anti-humanity is (sic) here at DU? Not a poll, a fact. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #3
Copying & pasting & wearing my driving (as opposed to my reading) glasses is a formula for disaster Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #8
Rampant no but we have bigots and some new trolls have signed up and we are mirt are nuking them hrmjustin Aug 2014 #4
Y'all do a hell of a job. IronGate Aug 2014 #6
Thank you. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #7
+ 1 nt steve2470 Aug 2014 #10
+1 LeftishBrit Aug 2014 #11
And some are zombies of PPR'd posters... SidDithers Aug 2014 #38
I will look and kick the thread. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #40
Yup. I saw your self-delete down below, and I'm more convinced than ever that you're right... SidDithers Aug 2014 #58
I started a new thread so you don't have to have a yellow tab all the time. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #59
The dates certainly line up well... SidDithers Aug 2014 #64
likely a break to see if we forgot. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #72
I'm assuming that you've let MIRT know this? Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #42
No, you're not the zombie of inch4progress...nt SidDithers Aug 2014 #43
Fair enough Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #48
Why did you change names?... SidDithers Aug 2014 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author hrmjustin Aug 2014 #50
I was just thinking about that in another thread. Rex Aug 2014 #145
The troll control at DU has always been exceptionally good. hifiguy Aug 2014 #71
Thank you. We have a great team. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #73
I'm glad you are back as part of MIRT again. In_The_Wind Aug 2014 #87
Thanks, it is a great new team. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #88
You'll be off next term, right? In_The_Wind Aug 2014 #89
Yeah I am on my fourth term but the last of this year. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #91
I thought I was going to be too busy working this term. In_The_Wind Aug 2014 #93
I am sorry to hear this. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #96
Thanks In_The_Wind Aug 2014 #99
You are an asset to DU! hrmjustin Aug 2014 #102
You're an angel. In_The_Wind Aug 2014 #106
Nonsense! You do just great here! hrmjustin Aug 2014 #108
It certainly isn't 'rampant'; on the other hand, it's not non-existent. LeftishBrit Aug 2014 #9
How do you find out who is getting banned? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #15
Partly because I'm on MIRT (that's how I know about the trolls); but otherwise you would have to LeftishBrit Aug 2014 #25
Yeah, that's how I'm seeing it too n/t Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #16
It is a "push poll".....only propaganda value. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #18
Why do you say that? Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #24
"Rampant" is a loaded word, the yes or no responses are black and white acceptance or rejection of Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #36
The poll is based on a post in another thread Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #37
I understand, but repeating a mistake is just repeating a mistake....just my take.....peace. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #41
Not a problem. I readily concede it's not good political science. Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #44
For the most part, no n/t whatchamacallit Aug 2014 #13
No. What is rampant here is that DUers have always gotten outraged over injustice Autumn Aug 2014 #14
Humanity is rampant at DU. Humanity and anti-semitism are easily conflated it appears. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #21
I haven't seen any anti-semitism. I imagine MIRT is all over that. Autumn Aug 2014 #33
^THIS Marrah_G Aug 2014 #49
Not blatant and not rampant, but frequent and common. MineralMan Aug 2014 #17
I Would Agree, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #29
When Hitler and Nazi Germany are brought in and compared MineralMan Aug 2014 #32
That Is Certainly One Of The Tells, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #35
What if you see it from a juror ? Rhinodawg Aug 2014 #47
Btw...I am a Zionist. Rhinodawg Aug 2014 #52
I'd forward such a result to MIRT Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #53
Alert On The Jury Result, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #54
Since I don't know how, would you mind bringing it to admins? Rhinodawg Aug 2014 #55
If You Received The Jury Result, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #67
I didn't receive ...it was posted. Rhinodawg Aug 2014 #74
What is your basis for calling that poster an anti-semite? Comrade Grumpy Aug 2014 #97
I Consider That Comment Evidence Of Anti-Semitism, Comrade The Magistrate Aug 2014 #103
We disagree. It may be an inapt comparison, and cruel, but is not evidence of anti-semitism. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2014 #109
If We Disagree, Comrade, One Of Us Is Right, And One Is Wrong.... The Magistrate Aug 2014 #111
I would hate for you to be wrong. So I'll just leave it at we disagree. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2014 #121
There was also a time here when just about any poster advocating for the stranger81 Aug 2014 #161
That Statement, Sir, Is Flat False To Fact The Magistrate Aug 2014 #166
It's Ma'am, and we will have to agree to differ on this one. stranger81 Aug 2014 #168
Not Possible, In This Instance, Ma'am, To Agree To Disagree The Magistrate Aug 2014 #173
I know that you refuse to brook disagreement, on this and just about any other point. stranger81 Aug 2014 #175
I Know What I Did, Ma'am, in Company With Mr. Jack Rabbit The Magistrate Aug 2014 #184
I wouldn't expect the people who did the banning to think anything other than stranger81 Aug 2014 #185
Suit Yourself, Ma'am The Magistrate Aug 2014 #189
Tombstone means being kicked out of DU. Being barred from participating in the I/P forum isn't MADem Aug 2014 #218
as an unabashed pro-Palestinian poster (admittedly I don't post on the subject that much anymore - Douglas Carpenter Aug 2014 #194
Wow. Just wow. stranger81 Aug 2014 #207
intentional self-delusion -- I'm amazed that people are willing to do that Douglas Carpenter Aug 2014 #208
And right back at you. [n/t] stranger81 Aug 2014 #209
No gay purge? You should let Skinner know. He certainly thought there was. Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #212
At least in my tenure here -- going on 11 years -- this was the most divisive event I can recall. stranger81 Aug 2014 #214
For some, if they don't see it, it doesn't exist. Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #215
I miss yardwork's voice around here. stranger81 Aug 2014 #216
She pops in from time to time, but not like she did before. Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #217
She posted just the other day. MADem Aug 2014 #220
tell me with a staight face that DU banned people or purged people for being gay.. Douglas Carpenter Aug 2014 #222
No one said they were banned for BEING gay. Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #223
Your own prejudices blind you, perhaps? No one said 'for being gay' and you know that. Bluenorthwest Aug 2014 #245
First of all I am gay - and I have been openly gay at times and places where few people here would Douglas Carpenter Aug 2014 #250
I agree agbdf Aug 2014 #204
You are partly right. Vattel Aug 2014 #120
I don't find such comparisons very useful. They just stir up spluttering outrage... Comrade Grumpy Aug 2014 #122
I agree Vattel Aug 2014 #157
After two 0-7 results BainsBane Aug 2014 #126
I just alerted on one and it was hidden... Violet_Crumble Aug 2014 #131
I seriously considered BainsBane Aug 2014 #139
Not rampant, but there are a few. Dragonfli Aug 2014 #19
Nope. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2014 #20
I voted no because I don't think it's "rampant" but I have seen a few posts that... Spazito Aug 2014 #23
I think that one of the things that people forget about DU is that many of us are first and foremost jwirr Aug 2014 #27
I'd only add that opposition to the Iraq war was the backbone of the community pre-Obama Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #30
Exactly. jwirr Aug 2014 #34
Si Puzzledtraveller Aug 2014 #31
No. One can oppose LWolf Aug 2014 #39
Definitely. egduj Aug 2014 #45
Blatant? Not so much. Dog whistle, seething just below the surface sometimes popping out with a TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #46
Not at all, that's not even a proper nose. NuclearDem Aug 2014 #51
This question arises when GD's rules temporarily change leftstreet Aug 2014 #57
Yes...according to rightwingers Tom Ripley Aug 2014 #60
The charges of anti-Semitism outweigh the occurance by about 1000 to 1 BillZBubb Aug 2014 #61
Exactly! n/t NastyRiffraff Aug 2014 #152
Concern and caring for human life, despair over the loss of children is now considered anti-semitism Pisces Aug 2014 #62
The refuge of Extreme Super Zionists are in the charges of anti-Semitism too-which is a lie. No. bobthedrummer Aug 2014 #63
if opposing collective punishment, ghetto-izing, land theft, ethnic cleansing, assorted war crimes KG Aug 2014 #65
There's a lot of criticism... kentuck Aug 2014 #66
Present but definitely not rampant intaglio Aug 2014 #68
there are many peoples that are Semites. the phrase needs a more narrow definition. for example msongs Aug 2014 #69
Anti-semitism is a specific term with a specific meaning, Codeine Aug 2014 #79
Baloney. I was taught back in my Catholic grammar school that truedelphi Aug 2014 #105
Nothing to Do With The Term 'Anti-Semitism', Ma'am The Magistrate Aug 2014 #114
You are in error. Semites are tribal peoples of the ME, yes, but the term anti-semite refers MADem Aug 2014 #221
Wikipedia is a very bad site to display as a definitive answer to anything. truedelphi Aug 2014 #225
Two things--I invite your attention to the LINKS at Wikipedia, which are scholarly and MADem Aug 2014 #230
I am a sticker for a word maning what it says it means. truedelphi Aug 2014 #231
Are you a sticker (sic) for words like: Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #232
No, you aren't. You're denying the obvious. And if I may say, as someone who isn't MADem Aug 2014 #235
but this was not disputed reorg Aug 2014 #124
Antisemite in every dictionary means anti Jewish King_David Aug 2014 #140
again, this was not disputed reorg Aug 2014 #146
It's being disputed in this very thread, and for reasons that have nothing to do with MADem Aug 2014 #236
This! egduj Aug 2014 #116
Being Pro-Humanity maxrandb Aug 2014 #70
dislike for the thug who runs isreal does not mean you are anti-semitic dembotoz Aug 2014 #75
It seems many confuse "Semitic" with the state of Israel... or worse, with the gtar100 Aug 2014 #76
Just As, Sir, It 'Can Be Hard To Get Through Some Noggins' The Magistrate Aug 2014 #77
Yes, there is that too. Racists and bigots do tend to find a way to "leak" out their poison gtar100 Aug 2014 #82
^^^^^^^^ Yeah! n/t truedelphi Aug 2014 #104
It seems blatant madamesilverspurs Aug 2014 #78
That's a good point. Codeine Aug 2014 #80
I don't think it is rampant, sadoldgirl Aug 2014 #81
here someone is claiming that a cabal of rich Jews have the final grip over the Democratic Party Douglas Carpenter Aug 2014 #83
Noticed that one too? azurnoir Aug 2014 #110
It depends on what you mean by "rampant". BlueCheese Aug 2014 #84
Pls consider the definition of the word "Semite" -- truedelphi Aug 2014 #85
Pls consider the definition of the word "Antisemitism" Codeine Aug 2014 #86
Bwahahahaha. truedelphi Aug 2014 #98
I thought the Zionists were white European colonialist invaders Mosby Aug 2014 #95
You are thinking about it too much. truedelphi Aug 2014 #100
This! egduj Aug 2014 #115
Being Anti Likud is not being antisemitic n2doc Aug 2014 #90
Yes ismnotwasm Aug 2014 #92
No. But, there is a lot of blatant anti-atrocity statements that are rampant. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2014 #94
True that. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #229
Tastelessly conspicuous is one of the definitions of Blatant. Half-Century Man Aug 2014 #101
I don't know about "rampant." At least not yet. But it's definitely here. villager Aug 2014 #107
There's a difference. sakabatou Aug 2014 #112
If you are a Jew with a mind set in the best tradition of Judaism aint_no_life_nowhere Aug 2014 #113
Not rampant, but present. MH1 Aug 2014 #117
Put me down for "present, but not rampant" Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #118
it is certainly there, we see it when it comes to blacks, gays, women and others also JI7 Aug 2014 #119
yup Liberal_in_LA Aug 2014 #127
Is blatant anti-Christianism rampant here at DU? That would also be an interesting question Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #134
it's more directed at Republicans in this country and as a way of showing them to be hypocrites JI7 Aug 2014 #179
Is subtle anti-semitism present here at DU? oberliner Aug 2014 #123
I repeat: The poll question was based on the wording of a post in another thread Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #133
Criticism of Israel's military policy does not equal anti-Semitism. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #125
No, it doesn't, but this does... Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #129
And, so? Enthusiast Aug 2014 #137
You said in your strawman, that criticism of Israel isn't anti-Semitism. Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #141
No. I said criticism of Israel's military policy, distinctly different than criticism of Israel. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #142
My anger? LOL! Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #147
I stand by my post. Enthusiast Aug 2014 #148
As do I. Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #149
OK, I'd like to break this example down step by step, if I may. Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #150
Do you not see those comments as anti-Semitic? Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #151
Being mindful that I'm trying to seek understanding, and that I did not originally make the comments Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #162
That's awful. Why would any sane person argue in favor of that? DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2014 #164
Not the best way to put it. defacto7 Aug 2014 #128
I just saw an OP that made my blood run cold. BlueCheese Aug 2014 #130
A link could be helpful Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #132
You might have to wait a while...nt. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #156
I'd rather not call anyone in particular out. BlueCheese Aug 2014 #213
Rampant is a poor word choice but those who voted "no" are wearing blinders imho riderinthestorm Aug 2014 #135
or maybe they don't want to be pushed Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #154
So most the DU is wrong on this topic? Really? n-t Logical Aug 2014 #227
I alerted on a poster who posted Veteran's Today Starry Messenger Aug 2014 #136
And an Israel supporter posted a link to "Stormfront." BillZBubb Aug 2014 #158
The admins do see all alerts. MADem Aug 2014 #238
Nope. Iggo Aug 2014 #138
I don't think it's 'rampant', but I do see it here, particularly of late. closeupready Aug 2014 #143
Blatant? No. Garthem Aug 2014 #144
I call it the cornball 24 Aug 2014 #153
I haven't seen it - but I see a lot of folks I respect in the "yes" TBF Aug 2014 #155
"comparisons to Nazi Germany may be over the top" BillZBubb Aug 2014 #160
That's the only thing I can come up with - TBF Aug 2014 #163
Do you think comparing Israel to Nazi Germany has anything to do with Jews? oberliner Aug 2014 #176
Yes, obviously. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #191
Right so can't you see why that might be offensive? oberliner Aug 2014 #193
Thank you - this is helpful and I appreciate the time you took to go through it all. TBF Aug 2014 #197
I understand oberliner Aug 2014 #200
Of course, people can be offended by a lot of things. I never said it wasn't offensive to some. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #198
I appreciate your response oberliner Aug 2014 #201
Another example oberliner Aug 2014 #195
I see folks I respect on both sides Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #181
We regularly excoriate the religious nuts who infest American politics. On a daily basis, even. randome Aug 2014 #159
What about the Jewish religion are you mocking? BainsBane Aug 2014 #165
Maybe that's how it was categorized in the past but how is that the case now? randome Aug 2014 #169
Yes, this country is full of secular Jews BainsBane Aug 2014 #174
Most religions are about far, far more than informing people about history and knowledge. randome Aug 2014 #177
I think much the same thing could be said about Catholics Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #171
You have to be careful to qualify those particular people you are talking about. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #167
I get your point but religion is still at the base of Israel. randome Aug 2014 #170
True, but even in Israel there is not uninimity on issues. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #178
An attempt to answer you in good faith. Judaism is both a cultural and religious identity herding cats Aug 2014 #183
Blending ethnicity and religion is not very smart, IMO. And Israel is to 'blame' for that. randome Aug 2014 #188
There's no way to seperate the people from the religon after millennia. herding cats Aug 2014 #192
I wouldn't say 'rampant' but there are examples of such here. Kaleva Aug 2014 #172
OTHER: We have a problem with a very few people, but many more are not choosing their words MADem Aug 2014 #180
I'd endorse this comment. Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #182
I've seen it, intentional or not it has happened. herding cats Aug 2014 #186
I made the comment MohRokTah Aug 2014 #187
I appreciate your feedback Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #190
Yes. LexVegas Aug 2014 #196
Examples? nt BillZBubb Aug 2014 #199
I went for not sure customerserviceguy Aug 2014 #202
I don't know about rampant, but many examples have been shown in this thread of blatant Rex Aug 2014 #203
no, that's absurd mwrguy Aug 2014 #205
Bingo! You hit the correct answer. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #211
Blatant - no. Definitely here, though. 840high Aug 2014 #206
Fuck yes! Anti-semitism. Racism. Sexism. And homophobia. Yes, liberals can be all of those. Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2014 #210
Sad but true. BainsBane Aug 2014 #219
It's always interesting to see mnhtnbb Aug 2014 #224
anti-Semitism... SummerSnow Aug 2014 #226
There's been a lot of anti-Semitism here lately Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #228
I think those who tried to equate Israel with Nazis or Nazi actions are very likely anti-Semites stevenleser Aug 2014 #240
At best comparing Israel to the Nazis is unbelievably insensitive Gormy Cuss Aug 2014 #241
Yes, because if you criticize the Israeli government Aerows Aug 2014 #233
So you don't think there is anti-Semitism here? Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #234
Are you suggesting Aerows Aug 2014 #239
So are you claiming you weren't mocking anti-Semitism. Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #242
Behind the Aegis Aerows Aug 2014 #243
And what I see, are the ACCUSATIONS of FALSE ACCUSATIONS. Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #249
This is a very emotional issue Aerows Aug 2014 #252
NOT anti-anybody kpete Aug 2014 #237
No (nt) bigwillq Aug 2014 #244
The Poll has ended Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #246
Thank you for the call out. Behind the Aegis Aug 2014 #247
Fair enough, and I apologize to you. Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #253
no! n/t wildbilln864 Aug 2014 #248
Looking at the current figures 93/304/11 Half-Century Man Aug 2014 #251
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