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The Magistrate

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13. Indeed, Sir: Holding A Man To Account For His Previous Words Is Not Argumentm Ad Hominem
Tue Aug 5, 2014, 11:46 AM
Aug 2014

People chant 'agumentum ad hominem' here as though it were some magical phrase of power which puts its utterer in the right on any occasion. It does not, and it is almost never used correctly.

The fallacy of argumentum ad hominem refers to a response attacking the person making the argument, by saying that he or he is unworthy to speak, or to be taken seriously, for reasons unrelated to the argument made. An example might be to say that since a person has gone bankrupt recently, his opinion that the United States should provide military assistance to Iraq cannot be taken seriously. The flaw cited, true or not, has no relevance to the subject. But if a person has expressed the opinion that stock in the Beefsteak Mine is an excellent buy at ten cents a share, pointing out that he filed for bankruptcy last month is not irrelevant to the point at hand, but speaks to the quality of the person's judgement on financial matters. Similarly, if a person states it as a fact that, say, the U.S. government is buying up great quantities of ammunition in order to drive up the price and so disarm the people, pointing out that earlier this person stated as a fact that the government has a machine that creates and directs tornadoes and uses it to destroy resistance to tyranny in the heartland is wholly appropriate, because it speaks to both judgement and pre-disposition, establishing the person is delusional and is in actual fact not worthy of being taken seriously. If someone predicts that, say, President Obama is going to resign in disgrace before the year is out to avoid impeachment, it is wholly legitimate to point out that earlier, this person predicted President Obama would be defeated in a landslide by Romney, thus establishing that this person's predictions are worth less than those of the average 'psychic friends' operator.

A leader or spokesman for Hamas being called to account for having circulated the classic blood libel, and having stating his aim is expulsion of all Jews from Israel whose ancestry traces to immigrants arriving there in the twentieth century, is wholly appropriate, and in no sense an argumentum ad hominem. It speaks directly to the worth of any statement he may subsequently make avowing an interest in any form of peaceful accommodation, or that he and his fellows are unfairly described as driven by hate. Viewed in the coldest light, it even calls into question whether the man is so gripped by delusion that it might be an error to consider him wholly sane. And of course, it would be quite easy to settle the matter when called to account for having made such statements: the man would need only to state that he does not stand by them, that he knows the blood libel is a despicable slander he regrets having circulated as truth, and that he knows he cannot expel nearly six million Jews from Israel, and does not desire to do so. That is all it would take, and if the man will not say that and move on, one is entitled to wonder why this is....

Lets see what Osama Hamdan has said over the past couple of years. hack89 Aug 2014 #1
You posted the words I refused to....interesting. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #2
Because you refuse to accept the implications of such words from such people hack89 Aug 2014 #5
I think propaganda stinks, I have a good nose for stink. My burden. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #6
Do you deny that Hamdan said what is in my post? nt hack89 Aug 2014 #7
Indeed, Sir: Holding A Man To Account For His Previous Words Is Not Argumentm Ad Hominem The Magistrate Aug 2014 #13
Holding him up falsely as anyone of importance is not propaganda? Attacking the person to segue Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #15
Why Do You Insult Mr. Hamdan By Insisting He Is Un-Important, Sir? The Magistrate Aug 2014 #20
Did you really just compare Iamthetruth Aug 2014 #27
Have Some Coffee Before You Post, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #31
With you there... Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #34
He is the Hamas representative in Lebanon, Hamas was elected government of Palestine. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #32
Nice To See You Can Google, Sir, And That You Acknowledge The Man's Significance The Magistrate Aug 2014 #36
Like Sarah Palin and Ted Cruz? Snark in a Magistrate is not good form. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #39
You Will Have Your Little Joke, Sir.... The Magistrate Aug 2014 #41
I didn't see this morning's panel show but I saw the interview of Hamden by wolf yesterday aint_no_life_nowhere Aug 2014 #24
I just do not think the amplified hate of one not vital to the process man should hold up peace. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #25
So DU has vapors when an obsure American blogger posts on the Times of Israel site hack89 Aug 2014 #30
I doubt that peace will be held up as a result of a Wolf Blitzer interview aint_no_life_nowhere Aug 2014 #35
Then why amplify his voice? The whole piece had to be seen to put this in context, the context of Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #37
It is complex, I know. Takes a wee bit of study. For those that can keep pace: Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #3
Because nothing of the sort was directed at Netanyahu. WinkyDink Aug 2014 #4
. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #8
Clearly you missed the hack on The Cycle yesterday malaise Aug 2014 #9
Why do people not see through the obvious propaganda, malaise, why are people so intent on Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #10
Laziness and indifference malaise Aug 2014 #11
When children are killed, piled up like cordwood, they still remain lazy and indifferent..I may hurl Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #12
As long as it's not their children malaise Aug 2014 #14
That Was Not An Accident, Ma'am: That Was a Crime The Magistrate Aug 2014 #16
We know that malaise Aug 2014 #17
I Understand That, Ma'am The Magistrate Aug 2014 #21
You stated it very well Sir malaise Aug 2014 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #18
Your words should be copied and put into the war crime indictment for this act of terror. Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #19
Correct Sir, and thank you for saying it. bemildred Aug 2014 #23
And In This Context, Sir 'Not Giving a Shit' Is Low Enough And then Some.... The Magistrate Aug 2014 #38
Quite enough, on both sides, yes. bemildred Aug 2014 #40
Seriously Iamthetruth Aug 2014 #26
Seriously, no one is defending anyone, but no one is discussing that both sides agree civilian death Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #28
Hamas lover! Capt. Obvious Aug 2014 #33
You're defending not only Hamas but the age-old slander of the blood libel. You're sick. nt Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2014 #29
I guess it would be "fair and balanced" if they also had this woman on their show arikara Aug 2014 #42
I strongly disagree. GeorgeGist Aug 2014 #43
I liked how they brought out Dan Rather, complained about how they, CNN were ever so being Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #44
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