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Z_California

(650 posts)
113. I'm gonna try to explain some things
Tue Aug 26, 2014, 04:55 PM
Aug 2014

First of all, I am not a Rand Paul supporter. I think he is a racist douchebag along with everyone else in the cesspool that is the GOP. Have I said that clearly enough because I've said it enough times in the last two days to make me think some just don't want to hear it? I do not want him to be elected. If you think I do or you insist on saying that I have "heralded" him I have to believe that you're either 1) playing dumb and going on offense so you don't have to defend HRC's weaknesses on certain issues (in which case you're not a citizen of a message board but a propaganda shill for your chosen candidate) 2) you haven't really read my posts but are going off of headlines or other propaganda shills or 3) you just don't read well (in which case I apologize for taking you to task).

I never suggested that "liberals" or "progressives" or "leftists" would vote for him if you define those terms as someone who is fairly well rounded on the issues and stands for individuals over "The Man". He doesn't need liberals or progressives to vote for him because they only make up about 25-35% maybe? He's going to get the 35% racist/sexist/homophobic vote no matter what - they ain't voting for any "D". Who makes up the rest? A bunch of people who don't pay much attention to anything other than 30 second TV spots and probably won't ask many questions and may not make up their mind until Election Day. You know, the "undecided"s. How fucking stupid do you have to be to be "undecided"? Pretty fucking stupid and that's who will decide who the ruler of the universe is in a couple years.

If HRC can't come out and say "Hey I think a police state is a bad thing and we need to take steps to make sure 1st amendment rights are protected and summary executions are not carried out in the streets" then she might be vulnerable to any Republican who will say that. So why concede the issue? If she could just PRETEND like she's not a Wall Street crony and that she's against brutal authoritarian repression, then she would get more votes. That's all I'm saying.

She could conceivably lose both sides of the Ferguson "debate" (a term which I use loosely). Of course the racist haters on one side of the "debate" will vote GOP AND the "undecided"s (and remember, they are very stupid) who were on the other side of that "debate" Have you thought about that? A lot of people are fired up on both sides and a lot of them are stupid.

This was the point I was trying to make yesterday and many of those who attacked me as a "Paulbot" or "Concern Troll" know VERY well this was what I was trying to say. It's easier to attack than it is to defend on this issue.

To prove that I'm capable of accepting criticism, I'm going to take the advice of the best critical response I received yesterday. I'm going to stop talking about this until after we take care of business here in November.

After that, it's fucking on...

Am I having deja vu? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #1
No, that was some bad shellfish you ate. nt MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #4
Speaking of shellfish, I understand that's the foundation for the greedy policies Voice for Peace Aug 2014 #72
Aw, clam up or we'll send some real mussel after you. Jackpine Radical Aug 2014 #104
Or as the 'insiders' say AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #2
Small point of nuance MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #5
Nuance? We don't need no stinkin' nuance. This is American, Dude! Learn the rules! RufusTFirefly Aug 2014 #29
Oh, no! Not meeeee! BillZBubb Aug 2014 #3
Rogues Gallery RufusTFirefly Aug 2014 #30
Thank you, Your Excellency! Jack Rabbit Aug 2014 #80
Oh, I'm sick of messages from the front. RufusTFirefly Aug 2014 #82
whatever. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2014 #6
Let's make it simple BainsBane Aug 2014 #7
I haven't seen a single DUer promote his candidacy for Prez leftstreet Aug 2014 #9
What was the purpose of the poll claiming he pulled the party to the "left"? BainsBane Aug 2014 #10
To discuss right vs left rhetoric? leftstreet Aug 2014 #15
Is there a probable Democratic presidential candidate saying that they oppose war, militarization Luminous Animal Aug 2014 #27
We've all been waiting to hear from such a candidate from the Dem Party. Maybe you'll sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #74
The poll was a joke. ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #90
You forgot to add this "But I have heard a lot of young people saying good things about him" XRubicon Aug 2014 #12
And? leftstreet Aug 2014 #19
I know. It's curious isn't it? If you're not a HRC defender/supporter, you must be a Rand Paul bot 2banon Aug 2014 #68
I have seen people here say that Hillary will be running to the right of him, which is a way of pnwmom Aug 2014 #116
I don't know anyone on DU who would argue that point Z_California Aug 2014 #28
Bullshit BainsBane Aug 2014 #96
You represent everything that's wrong with the Democratic Party Z_California Aug 2014 #111
What new idea? BainsBane Aug 2014 #112
I'm gonna try to explain some things Z_California Aug 2014 #113
Both Ron and Rand War Horse Aug 2014 #114
Well... ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #91
I wish Castro would run leftstreet Aug 2014 #8
If these last six years have taught people anything BainsBane Aug 2014 #13
Julian? He's being groomed for Hill's VP. joshcryer Aug 2014 #17
Then being a Castro-bot will be a good thing! leftstreet Aug 2014 #18
Yup, should make her presidency an easy pill to follow. joshcryer Aug 2014 #22
Did you forget the sarcasm icon? peacebird Aug 2014 #11
....... sheshe2 Aug 2014 #14
Even better the second time around. woo me with science Aug 2014 #16
Clapper shared it with everyone in the STASI. Octafish Aug 2014 #20
If you say Paul is anti war but Democrats aren't, you are lying. joshcryer Aug 2014 #21
Really? I guess I think that Paul is antiwar but most Democrats are not antiwar. Vattel Aug 2014 #33
Read the party platform. joshcryer Aug 2014 #38
yes dems turned against the war in iraq and wanted an end to the war in afghanistan eventually. Vattel Aug 2014 #43
A vote a decade ago when the party was very weak is nothing. joshcryer Aug 2014 #45
I just don't see any signs that dems are antiwar. Vattel Aug 2014 #49
Only dems voted to end AUMF. joshcryer Aug 2014 #56
You point to a speech, but look at what he as done. Vattel Aug 2014 #62
He was going to require congressional action in Syria. joshcryer Aug 2014 #67
Open your ears: Vattel Aug 2014 #70
Well to be accurate. zeemike Aug 2014 #69
Yeah, Bush got us out of Iraq. joshcryer Aug 2014 #75
No one got us out of Iraq, we are still there. zeemike Aug 2014 #79
We aren't occupying Iraq. joshcryer Aug 2014 #85
Permanent war is a threat to human society. zeemike Aug 2014 #86
Violence is down globally. joshcryer Aug 2014 #92
The real problem is all the damn leftists posting on this board! Dragonfli Aug 2014 #23
holy crap leftstreet Aug 2014 #25
I agree. MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #51
I really can't, too busy being a bouncer at the front door Dragonfli Aug 2014 #81
An inspiring manifesto, Dragonfli! RufusTFirefly Aug 2014 #26
Why thank you! One can only soar with the eagles when one does not hang out with rats Dragonfli Aug 2014 #34
One small correction, Dragonfli RufusTFirefly Aug 2014 #41
Well, they are, most likely, professionals, I stand corrected. /nt Dragonfli Aug 2014 #50
Bravo! hootinholler Aug 2014 #31
I actually thought about that but there was nothing I tried that did not make me want to vomit Dragonfli Aug 2014 #36
LOL. Well Done, Dragonfli. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2014 #32
Well done. woo me with science Aug 2014 #35
Yep, I agree. The silly left thinks that we deserve freedom and liberty. But the centrists rhett o rick Aug 2014 #39
Second in charge at the fed is a Keynesian. joshcryer Aug 2014 #40
My intent was to honor the Pragmatic Realists that favor Centrists policies Dragonfli Aug 2014 #47
By lying? joshcryer Aug 2014 #52
no, I am not lying, Centrists are what they are. Dragonfli Aug 2014 #55
Excellent!!! Thespian2 Aug 2014 #63
It's simply untrue, the Progressive Caucus is the largest in Congress. joshcryer Aug 2014 #73
Please, try reading what I write before responding Dragonfli Aug 2014 #78
The Blue Dogs have almost no power now. joshcryer Aug 2014 #83
Libertarians are not Keynesian gollygee Aug 2014 #44
Really? It is very strange that I do not APPEAR to know that, don't you think? /nt Dragonfli Aug 2014 #48
Bravo! whatchamacallit Aug 2014 #46
Well done. Autumn Aug 2014 #58
That #%^*ing tiny fringe group that MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #64
I only drink spring water and pure grain alcohol! /nt Dragonfli Aug 2014 #66
And we are so glad you did. zeemike Aug 2014 #71
Nice! adirondacker Aug 2014 #84
Well, tell us how you really feel! grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #87
Krugman, probably the most prominent Keynesian, supported Hillary in 2008 muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #95
That's Too bad, I thought she believed in the DLC vision, being a founding member. Dragonfli Aug 2014 #107
+ infinity nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #103
Very well done! neverforget Aug 2014 #110
Thanks TWM! I for one sleep better, knowing that Loyal Americans are working 24/7... RufusTFirefly Aug 2014 #24
OK, so suppose Rand Paul comes out in favor of puppies? Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2014 #37
Only if they're banker puppies MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #42
So fucking support the most progressive, leftist you want in the primaries. Old and In the Way Aug 2014 #53
Looks like some one found the underline tag and the italics tag. JoePhilly Aug 2014 #54
3rd Way needs his meds adjusted Demeter Aug 2014 #57
So support him.... Old and In the Way Aug 2014 #59
Libertarians from the Paul school cannot help themselves.. Peacetrain Aug 2014 #60
Your thread is a good example why we must have a better candidate than Hillary LittleBlue Aug 2014 #61
.... 840high Aug 2014 #65
Ron Paul tried it in 2012 with zero success. joshcryer Aug 2014 #76
Naw, his thread is a good example of how a troll divides Democrats at the DU forum!!! Major Hogwash Aug 2014 #93
I'm still stuck under the bus and chained to a rat fucking CPI. L0oniX Aug 2014 #77
Thank you for supporting the war effort:) grahamhgreen Aug 2014 #88
You know, this is just the sort of OP ZombieHorde Aug 2014 #89
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Aug 2014 #94
The results are in Katashi_itto Aug 2014 #97
Thanks! MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #101
You need to look at your jury blacklist and block the better believe it guys. Autumn Aug 2014 #109
Geeze what has this place turned into? Is there a Manny auto alert bot? L0oniX Aug 2014 #105
If you agree with Rand Paul on any issue you are not a thinker. NCTraveler Aug 2014 #98
I agree with him that only Congress has the authority to place Vattel Aug 2014 #99
You make a good point. NCTraveler Aug 2014 #100
Okay, fair enough. Vattel Aug 2014 #102
K & R ...because they hate you. L0oniX Aug 2014 #106
Even a broken clock displays the correct time twice each day Generic Brad Aug 2014 #108
Please be crystal clear, I wouldn't want to misunderstand you. Rex Aug 2014 #115
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