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Rassah

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52. I think what you may be misunderstanding in this is...
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 10:52 PM
Sep 2014

you believe that the separatists are actually fighting for the people in those areas, and those people actually support the separatists. As if the separatists are just moving across the land, completely uninhibited, with more and more people joining them as they go, and only fighting the Ukrainian army when they run into them. I don't know if that was ever even the case, but at this point those "separatists" are basically warlords, forcefully taking over cities, instituting their own rule, kidnapping and torturing anyone they suspect is against them, and even fighting entire towns of people who resist (did you read that other Human Rights Watch article?) They are not above shelling "their own people" because they don't consider people in those towns as their own. They only see them as areas left to conquer. For instance, Mariupol, a town way in the east that they are moving towards, is completely against them, and is preparing to defend itself against the separatists. Do you think those separatists will get to Mariupol, be told "no, thanks, we want to stay with Ukraine," and just move on? Also, do note that all the news published lately has been "separatists take the city of ...", not "the city of ... joins separatists in their fight."

What did they have to say about Keefer Sep 2014 #1
Nothing that I've heard . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #3
Kiev released this Rassah Sep 2014 #8
Since it can't be independently verified . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #14
Can you at least explain Rassah Sep 2014 #50
I don't trust any audio Kiev releases after Bodhi BloodWave Sep 2014 #47
I hope you will not trust anything that Russia releases... Rassah Sep 2014 #51
You mean that mystery has been solved? Last I read about it, the world was quite skeptical sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #12
Whenever reading anything from RT or other Russian media sources... Rassah Sep 2014 #2
Your opinion . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #4
Of course they do Rassah Sep 2014 #9
I suppose you would contend we can believe Western propaganda . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #21
What do you mean by "western?" Rassah Sep 2014 #49
RT's unofficial motto: "just always assume that the exact opposite is true" FSogol Sep 2014 #10
Actually, it's probably, "first publish the news, then figure out what happened." Rassah Sep 2014 #11
actual quote from the HRW La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #5
Are we really expected to believe that . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #7
That's what HRW said: muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #13
No, not really . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #15
OK, I see you don't bother reading your own RT links, let alone other people's links muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #16
Again with the insults . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #19
I think what you may be misunderstanding in this is... Rassah Sep 2014 #52
i dont know what you are expected to believe, but i read the actual statement on hrw's website La Lioness Priyanka Sep 2014 #18
RT. LOL...nt SidDithers Sep 2014 #6
Just wondering if you have posted anything edhopper Sep 2014 #17
Why bother, my comments would disappear into the mass Russia-bashing OPs? another_liberal Sep 2014 #24
Oh, edhopper Sep 2014 #26
That is, my friend . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #27
Yes edhopper Sep 2014 #28
Which fascists in Ukraine are you talking about? Rassah Sep 2014 #53
Yep, RT again...How about we get a little balance in this thread?? Blue_Tires Sep 2014 #20
Same old Russia-bashing story lines . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #22
I'm impressed that you actually pulled off the logically impossible Blue_Tires Sep 2014 #25
Wow man, I'm with Blue Tires on this one Scootaloo Sep 2014 #30
You are clearly misreading what I posted . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #31
well no... Your OP is about a HRW report Scootaloo Sep 2014 #33
I'm not trying to defend the inhumane or illegal things Russians might do . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #38
And Here Is Your Analysis Of these Forces, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2014 #55
Is Human Rights Watch a legitimate, credible source, or not? Blue_Tires Sep 2014 #35
Is that what you've been going on and on about? another_liberal Sep 2014 #45
so... Blue_Tires Sep 2014 #54
That, Sir, Would Apply To Someone Interested In Honest Analysis Of a Complex Situation The Magistrate Sep 2014 #57
Still waiting for an answer... Blue_Tires Sep 2014 #36
You might want to consider a time-out break . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #37
You might want to consider answering my question` Blue_Tires Sep 2014 #39
What makes you think it was me . . .? another_liberal Sep 2014 #42
Just admit you can't answer because I got you cornered.... Blue_Tires Sep 2014 #43
Better say goodnight, B T . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #44
Human Rights Watch: Russia Must Recognize Ukraine Rebels' Human Rights Abuses pampango Sep 2014 #23
They criticize everyone, good . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #29
No. "government forces are not the only ones to fire Grad rockets into civilian areas." pampango Sep 2014 #34
Your quote mentions one incident . . . another_liberal Sep 2014 #40
Hmmm gratuitous Sep 2014 #32
Who said anything negative about Human Rights Watch? another_liberal Sep 2014 #41
You did. OilemFirchen Sep 2014 #46
Human Rights Watch: Rebels Forces Detain, Torture Civilians pampango Sep 2014 #48
An Earlier Report From Amnesty International, Sir The Magistrate Sep 2014 #56
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