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Proud Liberal Dem

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172. Sums up my thinking perfectly

Fri Sep 19, 2014, 09:42 AM

Sep 2014

Like in 2008, I'm still open to another candidate should one present him/herself but right now I think Hillary would be the best overall candidate if she decides to run

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If you want people on the left to vote for HRC IF she's nominated, MAKE A CASE FOR HER! [View all] Ken Burch Sep 2014 OP

The short answer is always . . . gratuitous Sep 2014 #1

That would make a good drinking game LWolf Sep 2014 #165

vote for whoever you want JI7 Sep 2014 #2

Me either. tazkcmo Sep 2014 #3

She's the low information voter candidate n2doc Sep 2014 #4

Republicans won't vote for her AgingAmerican Sep 2014 #29

Who said anything about Republicans? n/t n2doc Sep 2014 #34

That's a ridiculous assertion. Agschmid Sep 2014 #138

I don't see why we have to beg them to vote for our nominee treestar Sep 2014 #5

So true ... So true, all of that. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2014 #6

I agree. And I'd add that people need look past a four year term. SCOTUS nominations last decades. PeaceNikki Sep 2014 #7

Do you really trust Hillary Clinton to nominate progressive SCOTUS justices? tularetom Sep 2014 #21

Yes AgingAmerican Sep 2014 #31

Bill didn't...and she doesn't disagree with him on much of anything. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #33

Are you telling me you are disappointed with Justice Ginsberg? still_one Sep 2014 #58

No. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #63

Do you even know Hillary record? The arguments that folks accuse Hillary of have the same depth as still_one Sep 2014 #71

Yeah, right AgingAmerican Sep 2014 #80

I have to disagree with you davidpdx Sep 2014 #185

lol AgingAmerican Sep 2014 #79

You are stuck with centrists treestar Sep 2014 #107

What? MFrohike Sep 2014 #145

lol treestar Sep 2014 #156

Uh, what? MFrohike Sep 2014 #158

Hell No! Phlem Sep 2014 #178

Yes Algernon Moncrieff Sep 2014 #39

They have to nominate someone who will get confirmed treestar Sep 2014 #106

as much as I admittedly distrust Hillary DonCoquixote Sep 2014 #153

Yes, we can do a LOT better than Hillary, which is not saying much. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2014 #184

Because those asking are not really Democrats....they are the Independents that THINK VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #10

Who do you think "their own candidate" IS? Ken Burch Sep 2014 #36

I mean their own Candidate.....in their own party....the Independents VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #146

+1 treestar Sep 2014 #108

EXACTLY.....they don't want a President.....they want a messiah that can fix everything.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #190

Because not 'begging' is how you end up with the 2000 election? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #12

This is true, but that's why the centrists treestar Sep 2014 #109

I don't have to be 'satisfied' to win my vote (since I am 'a far leftist'.) Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #115

My candidate did win treestar Sep 2014 #116

And you continue to caricature the far left. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #118

Again, why do we have to court it? treestar Sep 2014 #119

I do always turn up. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #120

But now you are saying it has to be courted treestar Sep 2014 #123

I didn't always vote for the Dem before. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #124

You are taking the same attitude that Rahm Emanuel did, implying "we don't have a choice"... cascadiance Sep 2014 #142

Then the average voter is clueless. Phlem Sep 2014 #179

Not "beg"...persuade. There's a difference. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #23

They can't be persuaded treestar Sep 2014 #110

My main concern is voting in 2014! sheshe2 Sep 2014 #43

Yes, that's so true treestar Sep 2014 #111

Making a case is not begging. Make it👍 grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #183

the ONLY case I need is she is a Democrat that will kick the Republican fields ASS! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #8

No other case needs to be made Algernon Moncrieff Sep 2014 #17

Exactly...How fucking dare these Independents declare that WE must convince them.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #19

You can't just call anyone who won't unquestioningly back HRC an "Independent" Ken Burch Sep 2014 #27

IF she wins the primary and they don't.....they are an Independent by default sorry.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #41

What would matter is what they did on Election Day...NOT what they say they'd do today. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #46

to YOU maybe.....I don't know about you....but my agenda is to talk to Democrats VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #49

The Democratic ticket needs the support of progressive independents in order to win in the fall. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #54

but I don't have to just stand by and listen to their whiny asses complain about Democrats VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #56

Who, exactly, do you mean by "one of their own"? Ken Burch Sep 2014 #59

INDEPENDENTS aren't they WHO we were talking about? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #64

I meant who is the candidate that is "one of their own"? Ken Burch Sep 2014 #70

THESE Independents we were talking about....You know...those that cannot accept VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #72

A lot of the people who disagree with you are Democrats, too. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #78

NOT if they say they won't vote in the Primaries if so and so is the winner they are not.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #88

There haven't been a lot of people saying they won't vote in the primaries. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #91

OH YES the hell there HAS! That is why I ask that question around here.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #92

Independents? :( Maybe if the Republicans would nominate an Eisenhower (thought they won't) cascadiance Sep 2014 #133

YOU are the one calling them Corporatists...notice that those that REALLY support Democrats VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #143

I am MORE of a Democrat than the so-called "centrist" BS Koch-based takeover of the party! cascadiance Sep 2014 #147

You are not more Democrat than someone who AGREES to vote for whomever their FELLOW Democrats VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #151

She hasn't declared herself a candidate yet, let alone win ANY primary elections yet... cascadiance Sep 2014 #157

and Bernie is STILL not a Democrat.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #159

You don't have to listen to anyone or anything, but be clear on this: DisgustipatedinCA Sep 2014 #149

It IS how it is....that is the difference between a Democrat who believes in Democracy VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #160

I think you are confused and don't understand why newer democracies use parliamentary... cascadiance Sep 2014 #166

No actually I am not.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #167

Hear, hear!!! Beacool Sep 2014 #170

its nothing but an attempted coup de tat by VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #174

Rarrrrrrr! Union Scribe Sep 2014 #82

You don't have to justify your support of anyone. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #22

Hillary would have been -- what 17 when Goldwater ran?? Algernon Moncrieff Sep 2014 #24

She worked to elect Republicans. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #26

as a fucking child.....now who has a strawman argument! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #42

Not me. You better go look up what 'strawman argument' actually means Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #53

Yeah YOU.....you want to hold someone who canvassed for a Republican when they were VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #144

Why would you canvas for a candidate you would not vote for, if I may ask? Thanks. nt Mnemosyne Sep 2014 #155

because I was a KID!!! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #161

I just asked a question. nt Mnemosyne Sep 2014 #163

and it was a dumb question....you thought it was a "gotcha" VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #168

Yes Hillary worked for Goldwater campaign, she became disillusioned, voted in 1968 for a Democrat. Thinkingabout Sep 2014 #55

I wasn't pointing it out to 'diss' her. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #62

Idiotic argument. Beacool Sep 2014 #175

Not really. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #188

It matters whether the candidate is more like them than not. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #25

You don't even know THAT for sure. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #30

Policies. And Hillary's are conservative Republican with the exception of a few social issues. Scuba Sep 2014 #40

Really. Do you even know what you are talking about. Please tell me which of these issues in her still_one Sep 2014 #67

She's a corporatists and a warhawk. Scuba Sep 2014 #86

did you even read the link? still_one Sep 2014 #94

She works for Goldman Sachs. She supports the TPP. She loves the war machine. Scuba Sep 2014 #97

You have so much animosity you cannot even answer my question still_one Sep 2014 #100

LOL, good one! n-t Logical Sep 2014 #96

+1 treestar Sep 2014 #112

Umm, how about, you know, something about policies? LondonReign2 Sep 2014 #139

She will kick Republican ass and protect and build on ACA Sheepshank Sep 2014 #154

Somebody out there posted a long list of her accomplishments over the years Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #9

then you must not have read her accomplishments... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #11

I read em. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #13

apparently not.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #14

tl,dnr. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #15

Its not just copy and paste if it is all readily publically available... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #16

Oh wow, playground insults! Chicken, yeah, that'll really make me change my mind. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #18

that is all that kind of thinking deserves..... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #20

Wow, a real answer to the question in the OP. ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #37

You are welcome..... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #44

Apparently I am a hard core liberal Kalidurga Sep 2014 #103

How about linking to this wall of text AtomicKitten Sep 2014 #186

easy peasy I do it all the time...Its a WALL of FACTS! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #189

Let's concentrate on 2014 first Politicalboi Sep 2014 #28

Vote as you please. n/t Lil Missy Sep 2014 #32

If she runs and wins the nomination, that MineralMan Sep 2014 #35

+1 aikoaiko Sep 2014 #76

Most of the responses in this thread are hilarious. nt ZombieHorde Sep 2014 #38

Nominees always campaign (to my knowledge) Progressive dog Sep 2014 #45

Well, for one thing, there's the Supreme Court. KamaAina Sep 2014 #47

Another pouty OP wyldwolf Sep 2014 #48

HRC keeps undermining the case by moving further and further right Ken Burch Sep 2014 #50

And THAT reply ^ is another example of quickly altering the point of your OP wyldwolf Sep 2014 #52

You're lashing out in this thread. Union Scribe Sep 2014 #83

I am being very calm wyldwolf Sep 2014 #87

if you feel this way don't vote for her JI7 Sep 2014 #61

I've already said I'll vote lesser-evil for her. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #65

many Hillary supporters are the left JI7 Sep 2014 #69

How could anyone who backed peace and workers' rights Ken Burch Sep 2014 #73

This "left" just LOVES having H-1B indentured servant program grow doesn't it! cascadiance Sep 2014 #134

It's sort of a new "left"-- that grew alongside Fox News and talk radio. Marr Sep 2014 #150

But please wait until AFTER the 2014 elections to begin making your case arcane1 Sep 2014 #51

If I wanted to argue with people who don't have at least a foregone assumption that they'll vote for Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #57

Agreed. n/t pnwmom Sep 2014 #66

Walmart shoppers will be thrilled to have an ex Walmart corporate lawyer B Calm Sep 2014 #60

Because there isn't a single Repub who is to the left of her, and I'll vote for the most progressive pnwmom Sep 2014 #68

The best case for her is her record. Here it is: still_one Sep 2014 #74

no need to make a case drray23 Sep 2014 #75

You already know the answer. It's the same one people gave you in every election since Bush 2000 aikoaiko Sep 2014 #77

Did she announce she's running? zappaman Sep 2014 #81

I can't even care until then... Phentex Sep 2014 #117

Exactly. zappaman Sep 2014 #127

I am voting for Hilary if she gets the nominee yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #84

It's not arrogant to ask posters to make their case when imploring others to vote for Hillary. Maedhros Sep 2014 #176

I will but not until she gets the nomination yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #180

she is not a republicon noiretextatique Sep 2014 #85

But..but..all she has to do is have a (D) after her name and be "not as bad" as a rabid piranha. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #89

I don't think there is a case to be made. LawDeeDah Sep 2014 #90

I think this OP is ridiculous. Her record stands on her own. See the link below still_one Sep 2014 #95

That's quite the list. LawDeeDah Sep 2014 #105

The "people on the left" you're talking about are not really DUers... yodermon Sep 2014 #93

She can win. NanceGreggs Sep 2014 #98

Sums up my thinking perfectly Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2014 #172

over 90 posts... choie Sep 2014 #99

She is not a Republican Kalidurga Sep 2014 #101

You have this backwards. JoePhilly Sep 2014 #102

I am concerned about HRC, if for no other reason than the mass media's onslaught to ensure Half-Century Man Sep 2014 #104

I won't hold my breath waiting for that. 99Forever Sep 2014 #113

Again?? theHandpuppet Sep 2014 #114

Perhaps. 99Forever Sep 2014 #121

Yes, it did. From multiple DUers. theHandpuppet Sep 2014 #122

Fail. 99Forever Sep 2014 #125

And your response is why some won't bother to post on this thread theHandpuppet Sep 2014 #128

Then don't post on them. 99Forever Sep 2014 #136

Pot, meet kettle. theHandpuppet Sep 2014 #140

Disagreeing with abysmal policy is not "bashing." Maedhros Sep 2014 #177

Notice they are not trying to get Hillary supporters to switch. JoePhilly Sep 2014 #126

These types of threads are having the opposite effect on me, matter of fact theHandpuppet Sep 2014 #129

Same here. JoePhilly Sep 2014 #137

There are a number of candidates who I believe are qualified and I would vote for them theHandpuppet Sep 2014 #141

I haven decided if HRC would be my choice in the primary.............. wandy Sep 2014 #130

easy. she defeats any GOP candidate hands down beachbum bob Sep 2014 #131

And how many Democrats if nominated wouldn't say the SAME THING! cascadiance Sep 2014 #135

There will never be a dream candidate. upaloopa Sep 2014 #132

SHE CAN YELL REALLY LOUD INTO A MICROPHONE AngryAmish Sep 2014 #148

Why the hell should I waste my time..... armed_and_liberal Sep 2014 #152

Not my job, sir Generic Brad Sep 2014 #162

She can raise $2 billion. joshcryer Sep 2014 #164

Vote for her, don't vote for her. Beacool Sep 2014 #169

I'm REALLY not interested in making the case for my preferred candidate prior to about Feb, 2015. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #171

It's her turn. Octafish Sep 2014 #173

Are we talking suitcase, legal case, brief case...hand bag....traveling case? MissMarple Sep 2014 #181

Because they'd be idiots if they didn't? LuvLoogie Sep 2014 #182

How about we deal with the primaries, first? Warren DeMontague Sep 2014 #187