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DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
100. Nice catch David
Tue Sep 23, 2014, 05:57 PM
Sep 2014

Though it goes beyond empty, it makes us sick. Whether Hillary's supporters realize it or not, there were things that Hillary supported and IS SUPPORTING that will KILL OR INJURE many of those on the left that are still expected to march into the booths and get "ready for Hillary." The poison that will spill from the Trans-Canada pipeline, the troops that will come back dead from Syria, the people hurt by slashing welfare, make no mistake, they will be hurt, if not killed.

And before some of her supporters take out the branding irons they used in 2008 "Sexist!/Anti-Semite/insert cheap insult here", and the war cries "Party Unity my Ass!", let me add this point: since Hillary has not yet decided if she is running (snicker) she is in that phase where she supposedly can define who she would run as; she is supposedly malleable. We, as the voters of the Democratic Party, have every right to say that we want to see certain things from her, and that we do NOT want to see certain from her. We have every right to say "If you want to pass through this gate, we need you to come in from the left." What is sad is that if Hillary wanted to be a liberal, she could.

Anything stopping her from denouncing the Keystone Pipeline, save for the fact her Hubby has already supported it, and already condemned Obama for not approving it pronto?

Anything stopping her from saying "If I were to become president, one thing I would COMMIT TO was to get rid of Nafta, at least as we know it."

Anything stopping her from saying "If I were to run, I would demand BiBi Netanyahu cease his course of action, and come with us to Oslo, where we can resume implementing the Oslo accords that everyone, Israel included, agree to when my Husband was President?"


Oh, but you cannot offend people in office. Ha, that sure as hell did not stop her from writing that book of "hard choices" and stabbing Obama in the back, knowing her words would be used by the GOP to apply pressure on him to do "Stupid Stuff." This was the unkindest cut of all. If Obama ran things like Hillary did, no one from the Clinton era would have been allowed in the cabinet, because he would have shown the vengeful spite the Clintons are known for. That would have meant Hillary would not be SoS, and Obama could have earned EASY praise.

The right wing would have praised him because it would have meant Hillary would have had a sad ride into the sunset. The left would have loved him because they hated Hillary the War Hawk. But no, despite the fact that leaving Hillary out would have been easy, he kept her on, and she repaid him by that damned book, which is a way of paving over Obama on her way to the White House she felt was hers.

Some say because she's a Clinton, others because she's a hawk. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #1
Nothing to do with her name. We need a real leader who doesn't have to consult the sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #17
In terms of recognition, the name is pretty important to some folks. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #19
Okay, I misunderstood. Sorry about that! sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #27
And who you going to vote for in the end..... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #109
Support for fracking and GMO's? TheNutcracker Sep 2014 #49
Neither are in my top five, but that certainly adds to the trough of despair. NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #52
It's not her, it's her policies n/t leftstreet Sep 2014 #2
That's one reason I don't trust her. GoneOffShore Sep 2014 #33
Her policies and her links ti corporatists. mylye2222 Sep 2014 #114
Here is a very good reason to loathe her. JEB Sep 2014 #3
And more reason's that she's not suitable. GoneOffShore Sep 2014 #34
Many reasons, but many remain pissed off about her '02 vote for that fucking Iraq invasion/slaughter Arugula Latte Sep 2014 #4
It's kinda like the people who does not like broccoli, they never tasted it but have been told Thinkingabout Sep 2014 #5
Nope. The problem is that people *have* tasted Hillary. No more, please. n/t winter is coming Sep 2014 #24
some of us have had that broccoli shoved down our throats DonCoquixote Sep 2014 #26
Shoved down our throat, indeed. That's what they tried to do in 2007 & 2008 davidpdx Sep 2014 #69
Nice catch David DonCoquixote Sep 2014 #100
I agree davidpdx Sep 2014 #112
I will raise you one DonCoquixote Sep 2014 #113
No, it's more like people do not like the Bush Policies she supports. It's not that hard to figure sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #29
The "Bush Lied" excuse is in itself a lie. We at DU all knew he was lying. So did the Senate n/t arcane1 Sep 2014 #101
Pro war, pro Wall Street, pro TPP. Those policy positions are loathe to me. Scuba Sep 2014 #6
Don't forget! vt_native Sep 2014 #36
Yep. Thanks. Scuba Sep 2014 #41
I like Hillary truedelphi Sep 2014 #99
I think Hillary is a third way Democrat upaloopa Sep 2014 #7
2 reasons, among others nationalize the fed Sep 2014 #8
For me it is not a matter of dislike. I do not know what she stands for and thus IN THE PRIMARY jwirr Sep 2014 #9
This is my problem with her as well. Skidmore Sep 2014 #60
Worth a caution: OilemFirchen Sep 2014 #10
She didn't have the guts to vote against the Iraq war Demobrat Sep 2014 #11
She had the guts, but she actually AGREED with Bush as we have found out since then. sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #31
Because this is a progressive board? KamaAina Sep 2014 #12
^This^ GoneOffShore Sep 2014 #37
How did you come to the conclusion that almost everybody on here doesn't el_bryanto Sep 2014 #13
Most members are to the left of her on issues. hrmjustin Sep 2014 #14
No, they won't support her. If the party wants to LOSE, then she will be the nominee. sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #38
I am a bit confused, who are you saying won't support her if she wins the nomination? hrmjustin Sep 2014 #40
Well, let me put it this way. In the 2008 election I supported Obama once it came down to sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #63
I understand how you feel but i think she will win if she is the nominee. hrmjustin Sep 2014 #64
I do not. I think you are very wrong. I hope the Party understands this also and sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #66
Pipe dream. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #77
oh, this is easy wyldwolf Sep 2014 #15
She has too much baggage fadedrose Sep 2014 #16
I am in no position to like or dislike Hillary. I've never met her. Maedhros Sep 2014 #18
I like her. I like all Democrats. Kingofalldems Sep 2014 #20
Me too! yortsed snacilbuper Sep 2014 #54
Because we're Democrats. Liberal Democrats mostly. PeteSelman Sep 2014 #21
I dislike aspects of EVERYONE connected to the DLC, including Al Gore. HereSince1628 Sep 2014 #22
Me, too Lydia Leftcoast Sep 2014 #97
3rd Way Hawk. Next question? Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #23
I would vote for her no problem Egnever Sep 2014 #25
I've only met her a couple of times. Can't say whether I like or dislike her. TygrBright Sep 2014 #28
I don't dislike her. I want to see the other nominees before I settle on a candidate... Kalidurga Sep 2014 #30
I don't buy your premise. Because the flame bait posts get the most attention, that might be why it still_one Sep 2014 #32
... TBF Sep 2014 #35
Because she is a DINO? krawhitham Sep 2014 #39
that bullshit again? Get a new shtick. wyldwolf Sep 2014 #48
President Obama has called himself a 1980's Republican MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #53
except he didn't wyldwolf Sep 2014 #55
Go for it. MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #57
Gladly wyldwolf Sep 2014 #58
OK, is this better? "President Obama says he has the same *policies* as..." MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #62
Actually, no, it's still dishonest wyldwolf Sep 2014 #71
Here's the part that *you* bolded: MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #73
your protest makes no sense. You're still trying to twist this to match your belief wyldwolf Sep 2014 #75
Your point is interesting. MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #90
See, here's your problem. wyldwolf Sep 2014 #91
Just trying to clarify MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #94
I was very clear. You're trying to parse another meaning from mine and the President's words. wyldwolf Sep 2014 #95
Well, first you highlight Obama saying his positions are those of a 1980's Republican MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #98
You are looking silly at this point! nt Logical Sep 2014 #79
you're falling victim to the same pretzel logic wyldwolf Sep 2014 #84
Still waiting for a response. MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #67
I have a life outside of DU wyldwolf Sep 2014 #72
In other words "I give up"! Nt Logical Sep 2014 #81
you give up? You just started. wyldwolf Sep 2014 #85
She was the behind the screen young lawyer that forced Nixon out CK_John Sep 2014 #42
It must be misogyny, because no DUer has ever clearly articulated hughee99 Sep 2014 #44
Ahh no, she did not force Nixon out. former9thward Sep 2014 #47
Actually she helped research procedures and historical precedent for impeachment rpannier Sep 2014 #68
Why don't some here believe in primaries? yurbud Sep 2014 #43
I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't like her SheilaT Sep 2014 #45
A lot of the shrillest HRC hatred comes from right wing dirty tricks and manipulation. greatlaurel Sep 2014 #46
In what ways would you consider her platform to have been MannyGoldstein Sep 2014 #56
Because republicans are scumbags. tabasco Sep 2014 #50
this has been discussed for years and years.... 2banon Sep 2014 #51
Too cool for school underpants Sep 2014 #59
You missed the DU Obama/Clinton Primary War of '08... DRoseDARs Sep 2014 #61
I'll paraphrase something I said long ago about HRC…. MrMickeysMom Sep 2014 #65
I tend to agree with you davidpdx Sep 2014 #70
Jackson Stephens, BCCI and Walton Mart Octafish Sep 2014 #74
Who posts on political blogs? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #76
3. Propagandists. woo me with science Sep 2014 #80
Ok, them too. And trolls, who just want crowds to troll, and don't really care about Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #82
I don't trust her. Feral Child Sep 2014 #78
Actually, you bring up a point I'd forgotten. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #86
Chasing Hillary: What The Republicans Refuse To Learn From Wile E. Coyote pampango Sep 2014 #83
She is an unprincipled egotist. BlindTiresias Sep 2014 #87
Even if her policies weren't awful, nepotism and cronyism are destroying this country. nt Romulox Sep 2014 #88
I don't believe that's true rock Sep 2014 #89
She would be a great president. HuckleB Sep 2014 #92
This message was self-deleted by its author Iggo Sep 2014 #93
Because she's too buddy-buddy with the Wall Street pirates and the warmongers Lydia Leftcoast Sep 2014 #96
Apart from her being ever-so-cozy with Goldman Sachs hifiguy Sep 2014 #102
She's to the right of Obama who, as Democrats go, is pretty right-wing. Also, she supported a Louisiana1976 Sep 2014 #103
BULLFUCKINGSHIT! VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #110
Hillary Polly Hennessey Sep 2014 #104
Me too! yortsed snacilbuper Sep 2014 #105
Me too nt DawgHouse Sep 2014 #106
Because the lesser of two evils customerserviceguy Sep 2014 #107
I'm Ready for Hillary. I know others here are too. Algernon Moncrieff Sep 2014 #108
Because they live in a parallel world where Bernie Sanders could be a viable candidate. Beacool Sep 2014 #111
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