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caseymoz

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79. Um, I think they do.

Wed Oct 1, 2014, 05:56 PM

Oct 2014

What's not going to happen is that a fluid borne virus becomes a mosquito-born one. Or a bite-borne or food born one. None of those will come from a fluid-borne virus.

But the step from a fluid-borne virus to an airborne one is not that big of a jump. The main difference, I think is that the virus survive somewhat dryer conditions. It probably has a fair chance of happening if this spreads.

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Here's how Thomas Duncan, the Dallas ebola patient contracted the virus: Direct contact [View all] cali Oct 2014 OP

He had direct contact with a woman stricken by Ebola on Sept. 15 seveneyes Oct 2014 #1

He says he told the hospital, they admit the info wasn't passed through their system as it should uppityperson Oct 2014 #2

he merely answered screening question he was in hot spot. never saying, he was in contact with a seabeyond Oct 2014 #9

As direct contact with Ebola patient, he should have been traveling to begin with. LisaL Oct 2014 #88

Well, he was, like you said he should have been. And? uppityperson Oct 2014 #106

Get this: On the 25th his "his condition did not warrant admission" Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #135

At this point, fuck the insurance companies. AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #144

He told the triage nurse: Avalux Oct 2014 #4

If he told her his contact with an ebola patient and that didn't cali Oct 2014 #7

per article, it appears he merely answered the question he was in a hot spot. nt seabeyond Oct 2014 #11

I don't think we have that important piece of information. Avalux Oct 2014 #12

He might be one of the fools who thinks ebola isn't real. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #74

That is the first thought that crossed my mind. Jamastiene Oct 2014 #140

When this goes airborne... greytdemocrat Oct 2014 #43

Viruses generally don't mutate that way. JaneyVee Oct 2014 #54

Um, I think they do. caseymoz Oct 2014 #79

Has never happened with all viruses we know of JaneyVee Oct 2014 #81

Happened with bubonic plague spinbaby Oct 2014 #82

But hasn't happened to any virus we know of. JaneyVee Oct 2014 #100

Yet he didn't mention he was helping to carry a dying EBOLA victim? seveneyes Oct 2014 #16

We don't know he was intentionally spreading Ebola. Avalux Oct 2014 #19

they took a sick girl to the hospital for ebola and there was no room. then he proceeded to seabeyond Oct 2014 #21

Do you understand why Ebola is spreading so quickly in parts of Africa? Avalux Oct 2014 #27

it is learning the process, hence NOT being unaware on how it works and having a fuggin discussion seabeyond Oct 2014 #28

i want to know, once the triage nurse found out it a possibility, ... why she was seabeyond Oct 2014 #30

What if the nurse was geographically challenged? Avalux Oct 2014 #33

since all the hospitals have supposedly educated the workers, and they are the first defense... seabeyond Oct 2014 #35

Negligence, whether intentional or not. Avalux Oct 2014 #38

i have been mostly using urgent care. pretty calm. i had to use an emergency room about a month ago seabeyond Oct 2014 #41

Is that hospital a level 1 trauma center? Avalux Oct 2014 #51

i am talking my recent experience in er in my area. not that hospital in particular. seabeyond Oct 2014 #59

Maybe she entered the information on her computing device... MohRokTah Oct 2014 #39

thought of first case ever. you betcha if i were the nurse, i would be telling everyone seabeyond Oct 2014 #45

But didn't she ask him the original 'hot spot' question? leftstreet Oct 2014 #40

this is where i sit. if i asked, and he gave me liberia. i would all be YIKES... stepping back. nt seabeyond Oct 2014 #47

There's conflicting info from what I've read. Avalux Oct 2014 #48

because we in the u.s. have heard enough about it. it is on everyones radar in the u.s. seabeyond Oct 2014 #57

He had a passport Aerows Oct 2014 #111

Give me a break! This is a guy who flies back and forth from Liberia to the US, ecstatic Oct 2014 #92

It was his 1st trip to the USA. If you care. uppityperson Oct 2014 #137

Which means he shouldn't have been allowed to fly. No one who was exposed to him pnwmom Oct 2014 #52

+1. nt seabeyond Oct 2014 #61

He was not contagious when he flew. And yes, they do screen people flying out of Liberia and he uppityperson Oct 2014 #62

Doesn't matter. None of the Texans who are being observed now are thought to be contagious pnwmom Oct 2014 #64

if you had a way out of Liberia right now VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #70

Only if someone is a contaminating, murderous and selfish POS seveneyes Oct 2014 #80

If someone is traumatized from what they have seen already? VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #104

Even on DU. eom uppityperson Oct 2014 #105

They should be observing those people the same way they are observing them here. pnwmom Oct 2014 #103

Did you read this article on hospital conditions there? Have you a clue what the societal uppityperson Oct 2014 #108

+1 n/t Adsos Letter Oct 2014 #153

Thank you. Best wishes for Mr Duncan, his family and friends. uppityperson Oct 2014 #3

so. he was well aware that is what he had, the seriousness, and that the person died, seabeyond Oct 2014 #5

Apparently, he did tell triage. nt msanthrope Oct 2014 #8

she asked if he had been to any of the locations. he said yes. BIG difference than saying 10 days seabeyond Oct 2014 #13

We don't know what he said specifically. herding cats Oct 2014 #17

from all the reports to this point, it has consistently been said, triage nurse asked the question seabeyond Oct 2014 #23

then again... facing a horrible disease, death he just watched, denial is powerful. nt seabeyond Oct 2014 #24

Isn't that the truth. herding cats Oct 2014 #37

But he got on the plane, knowing that the woman he assisted had died of Ebola on the 16th. pnwmom Oct 2014 #58

we don't know if he told her/him about his close contact with a very ill ebola patient cali Oct 2014 #10

true. cause i am on the otherside saying... seabeyond Oct 2014 #14

He knew what he had but took a commercial flight home (genius!)... 951-Riverside Oct 2014 #31

No need to be angry at this man. MohRokTah Oct 2014 #44

they knew enough to take her to ebola hospital. and you are right. we do not know how educated seabeyond Oct 2014 #49

Ebola hospital? They took her to the only real hospital in the entire country! Barack_America Oct 2014 #141

Since he wasn't sick when he flew, he didn't "know what he had" and even on that flight, no uppityperson Oct 2014 #55

Why are you upset? FrodosPet Oct 2014 #68

At this point I'm thinking a 21 day quarantine before being cleared to travel to the US from West kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #75

What about from the USA from Europe? uppityperson Oct 2014 #110

That's why international travelers are supposed to have passports with visa stamps. Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #116

kestrel says 3 weeks before coming into the USA, are you saying mandatory holding for 3 weeks uppityperson Oct 2014 #119

I'm saying we should do as other countries have & ban all travel from the 3 major affected nations Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #120

Problem is no direct flights, and passport may not be stamped. Ban all travel into USA? uppityperson Oct 2014 #122

Why bring a red herring into it (ie "ban all travel into USA") Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #124

"ban all travel from the 3 major affected nations". There are not direct flights. Passports may not uppityperson Oct 2014 #127

You're right. I guess it's totally completely impossible and undoable. Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #128

I don't know anything about what you mean with S Africa. i'd like to see money put into uppityperson Oct 2014 #130

And to frame that as a dichotomy is false, as well. Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #131

What additional restrictions? How? I do not mean dichotomous, simply saying what I wish. uppityperson Oct 2014 #132

I think probably a combination of travel monitoring, additional screening, passport restriction Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #133

Flying in August, 2 Euro airports and a USA one all had signs about ebola at screening and uppityperson Oct 2014 #136

As I said upthread, I have a sneaking suspicion Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #139

true CullenBohannon Oct 2014 #150

Welcome to DU!!! gopiscrap Oct 2014 #154

If we do have actual Ebola outbreaks in the US that start to get out of hand, Jamastiene Oct 2014 #145

America is affected now. Ban all flights to and from America? Please, you are not being rational. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #85

No, assuming they keep this one case contained, like they eventually got in contained in Nigeria Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #115

Naaah--just Texas (/snark). nt MADem Oct 2014 #129

Damn, we're in agreement. Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #114

He should have demanded they keep him overnight for observation, imo Catherine Vincent Oct 2014 #6

I doubt an average Liberian citizen would do that in a US hospital. Avalux Oct 2014 #22

Just fyi, English is the official and most spoken language of Liberia. Bluenorthwest Oct 2014 #36

That's good to know, I admit I did not. Avalux Oct 2014 #42

This message was self-deleted by its author ecstatic Oct 2014 #95

he should have immediately quarantined himself magical thyme Oct 2014 #15

From my admittedly minimal understanding of this issue/disease/etc. vi5 Oct 2014 #18

I think he may be an American, not only because of his name, but this: magical thyme Oct 2014 #26

Still... vi5 Oct 2014 #46

They mixed up some information about his son with him muriel_volestrangler Oct 2014 #72

Uggh. Maybe he really was clueless ecstatic Oct 2014 #98

Liberia was founded by freed American slaves. American names are the norm there as a result. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #76

I found later in the linked post that he was born in Liberia, but attended high school and magical thyme Oct 2014 #77

Not quite. It was colonized by them but already had many different peoples there. uppityperson Oct 2014 #112

Certainly he shouldn't have been flying to another country. LisaL Oct 2014 #90

He has children and other family here magical thyme Oct 2014 #93

Idiots like this is probably why we should cut off flights from Liberia... LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #20

Not going to do a whole lot of good davidn3600 Oct 2014 #25

Then, screen them out. LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #29

So you want to punish a nation of 4 million people MohRokTah Oct 2014 #50

It wouldn't be punishing them to ask a screening question at the airport check-in. pnwmom Oct 2014 #65

Precautions didn't work with this guy, who was asymptomatic when he boarded. Louisiana1976 Oct 2014 #66

But nobody on the plane caught Ebola. eom MohRokTah Oct 2014 #69

Punish? Are we beating the fuck out of the English language now? LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #86

Yes, the same way those nations themselves have "punished" the affected counties with quarantine. Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #126

What about CullenBohannon Oct 2014 #151

I agree Catherine Vincent Oct 2014 #32

That's the problem. LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #34

Interesting point Generic Other Oct 2014 #53

he'd been there for 2 years, so he traveled there to live before it was a hot zone. magical thyme Oct 2014 #56

Ignorance does not = being an idiot and way to insult a large number of people uppityperson Oct 2014 #60

Bullshit. LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #107

Then why the fuck have they been murdering health care providers there? Ignorance. uppityperson Oct 2014 #109

Post removed Post removed Oct 2014 #121

Insulting ignorant fearful people and a whole continent as "weapons grade stupid". Incredible. uppityperson Oct 2014 #123

This is why we have passport control at airports AngryAmish Oct 2014 #63

Right. Customs will make sure you're not bringing a bag of pot in your luggage. Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #125

Good point. Jamastiene Oct 2014 #149

So is his family quarantined? madville Oct 2014 #67

Close enough contact for bodily fluid exchange. DeadLetterOffice Oct 2014 #71

They said on NPR that everyone in the emergency room waiting room... LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #87

Per his neighbor, he was puking all over the place before being loaded into an ambulance. LisaL Oct 2014 #147

No. Quarantine is imprisonment of a sort. They are told to stay home, stay inside, kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #78

Just reported a second person is suspected of being infected madville Oct 2014 #83

No shock there. He probably infected everyone in the home. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #96

Frightened people will be the death of us all. Those I agree that those who know better but are uppityperson Oct 2014 #113

He knew he was exposed. He fled to America. He got a fever and waited 2 days before kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #73

Patrick Sawyer flew to Nigeria even though his sister died of Ebola. LisaL Oct 2014 #146

Science facts take all of the fun out of the fear mongering. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #84

Seriously? LisaL Oct 2014 #89

Exactly. Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #91

Something tells me they were a lot more aggressive than the US seems to be in ecstatic Oct 2014 #101

Yes, I believe they put them in quarantine in some special places. LisaL Oct 2014 #102

Right, after how many secondary and tertiary infections- due to one index patient? Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #118

And about half of them died, I believe. LisaL Oct 2014 #148

The hospital was more than stupid... Sancho Oct 2014 #94

It's even worse. LisaL Oct 2014 #97

oh hell... Sancho Oct 2014 #99

"I dont care what he's got, since he doesn't have $$$$$INSURANCE!!!!$$$$$$$$" Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #117

Oh, boy. "Dallas Ebola patient vomited outside apartment on way to hospital" Warren DeMontague Oct 2014 #134

so he lied when he was aksed in liberia if he has been in contact with anyone underthematrix Oct 2014 #138

Thanks for posting this, Cali. AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #142

He KNEW he was in jeopardy of contracting Ebola, and YET HE GOT ON A PLANE. HE ASSOCIATED WITH CHIL- WinkyDink Oct 2014 #143

I truly believe DU represents the best of America... liberalmuse Oct 2014 #152