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The2ndWheel

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34. Europe and the rest of the world are different than the US
Tue Oct 21, 2014, 09:41 AM
Oct 2014

Japan is an island. China and India have like 2.5 billion people combined. Europe was built up when cars didn't exist, then went through a couple wars in the 20th century, then built back up again, but still in a relatively confined space. Then there's most of the rest of the world, which has enough trouble with more basic things than F150's.

The US is 5% of the human population, but uses 25% of the world's energy. We're going to waste energy. Is it because we're greedy? Maybe a little. The US was also the last one standing after the 20th century, and we set up the international system we have today. The US military is the developed world's military, except only US taxpayers pay for it. We're ok with that because nobody can tell us no. Europe is ok with that since they can spend what would've gone to their own military if they had to get the resources themselves on their various social programs.

The more expensive energy is, the more we'll optimize for efficiency. If it's cheap, then it's going to be about revenue/profit, because why wouldn't it be? That just goes back to what were the eventual benefits from the surplus of agriculture. That surplus bought people, at least some people, time to do other things. That's all money does too.

And global warming will accelerate. But at least I can drive to my doom with cheap gas. Comrade Grumpy Oct 2014 #1
Depends. Some of this is from less demand. We will have to see how it shakes out. nt stevenleser Oct 2014 #2
If oil and gas are going to be considerably cheaper, then why do need the Keystone pipeline? LonePirate Oct 2014 #3
Oil from tar sands and shale costs more to extract upaloopa Oct 2014 #8
That would be below $70 for sure Yo_Mama Oct 2014 #33
It's been a long time since we had price war over oil. bemildred Oct 2014 #4
Interesting times ahead, indeed. Ykcutnek Oct 2014 #5
From the 1st link ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #6
We're trying to do the same thing! Blue_Adept Oct 2014 #30
Does Obama get the credit? rickford66 Oct 2014 #7
From Republicans? Bahahahahahahah stevenleser Oct 2014 #13
Thanks, I needed that. rickford66 Oct 2014 #19
It's amazing who took notice when America went Oil positive Schema Thing Oct 2014 #9
Thomas Friedman seems to think it was a deliberate swipe at Russia and Iran stevenleser Oct 2014 #12
The Saudi's may be "allies" in the swipe at Russia and Iran Schema Thing Oct 2014 #20
come on 60 strawberries Oct 2014 #10
The positive effects on the US economy can't be overstated. It would be overwhelming. stevenleser Oct 2014 #11
The effects would clearly be overwhelming. Overwhelmingly BAD NickB79 Oct 2014 #15
I have heard one concern is deflation davidpdx Oct 2014 #24
I think the demand from new hired workers would work to counter that, AND once the stevenleser Oct 2014 #35
$60/barrel oil will kill the oil boom in N. Dakota NickB79 Oct 2014 #14
This, if OPEC allows it, would be to kill US production FLPanhandle Oct 2014 #16
The solution customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #26
Domestic production would decrease and less incentive Dawson Leery Oct 2014 #17
Maybe less incentive, but many consumers will still invest in solar and wind, etc. Tikki Oct 2014 #22
If it does it could turn our economy around in a real way herding cats Oct 2014 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author KinMd Oct 2014 #21
Woohoo... Screw Musk, Tesla, the Battery Gigafactory and transitioning to sustainable energy !!! Fumesucker Oct 2014 #23
Not really. Even at $2.75 a gallon of gas, a Tesla is attractive stevenleser Oct 2014 #25
Remember the gas price jump back in 2008? Fumesucker Oct 2014 #27
The cheaper energy is, the easier it is to waste The2ndWheel Oct 2014 #28
Somehow I suspect Europe and most of the rest of the world will resist buying F150s Fumesucker Oct 2014 #29
You know that KW is not a real thing, right? A HERETIC I AM Oct 2014 #31
That's why I love DU... Fumesucker Oct 2014 #32
Europe and the rest of the world are different than the US The2ndWheel Oct 2014 #34
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