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123. There ain't no Hard Left.

Wed Oct 29, 2014, 02:59 PM

Oct 2014

We are trying to hang on to the New Deal programs, environmental protection, public education, American manufacturing jobs, corporate responsibility, scrutiny of Wall Street criminals, a progressive tax structure and we would like to end the doctrine of perpetual war.

There is nothing hard left about that. What we want is actual centrism.

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Centrists, The 3rd Way, Neo Liberal, "I'm a new Democrat", all [View all] Phlem Oct 2014 OP

There's nothing wrong with pragmatic moderation. Ideologues are not superior! 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #1

"pragmatic moderation" Phlem Oct 2014 #2

Lacking principles has proven not to be a winner politically and, truebluegreen Oct 2014 #3

They're only good at pointing out what they don't like but they never have solutions. craigmatic Oct 2014 #4

Insulting a significant share of Democratic voters? Smart! brooklynite Oct 2014 #5

Are we insulting Democratic voters, or Democratic leadership? truebluegreen Oct 2014 #6

Sorry, I'm from the Obama-Bill Clinton wing of the party 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #7

Bill Clinton had plenty of great solutions and a successful presidency. 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #8

I agree. That's why Hillary (my candidate) will be our next President 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #9

Buena suerte with that truebluegreen Oct 2014 #10

Extremists? who in the party are extremists? hrmjustin Oct 2014 #11

You don't agree truebluegreen Oct 2014 #12

No, which is why Hillary is way out front already for the nomination. 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #13

Oh yeah, that worked out real well for President Goldwater 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #14

Oh I got but, it appears you didn't get me. 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #15

And I'll copy that. Phlem Oct 2014 #16

Um, I don't know what the "no" is in response to, truebluegreen Oct 2014 #17

Oh yeah.... truebluegreen Oct 2014 #18

President Hillary Clinton - get used to the sound of that:) 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #19

Insulting a non functional portion of Democratic voters, Phlem Oct 2014 #20

So How do splain Nafta? Phlem Oct 2014 #21

Then why do they campaign as liberals? Marr Oct 2014 #22

both, actually. wyldwolf Oct 2014 #23

Yes, I am a proud Clintonesta! Hillary and Bill! 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #24

Wow! Phlem Oct 2014 #25

I support it as does Presidents Obama, Clinton and future President Hillary. 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #26

Hillary is the best qualified person for the job and I agree with her ideas. 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #27

Is that really the insinuation? Phlem Oct 2014 #28

Democrat voters overwhelmingly support Democratic leader Hillary to be next Prez 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #29

Well OK then. F everyone else! Phlem Oct 2014 #30

As I said, Buena Suerte! truebluegreen Oct 2014 #31

oh, Phlem Oct 2014 #32

I believe the term you pulled from Urban Dictionary (snicker) was "asininery." wyldwolf Oct 2014 #33

That's right! Just sharing the good news about Hillary - our next President. 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #34

WooHoo TTIP, WooHoo!!! Phlem Oct 2014 #35

Beautiful! Phlem Oct 2014 #36

+100 truebluegreen Oct 2014 #37

No, Other candidates are more than free to line up and get their butt's kicked by Hillary 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author Phlem Oct 2014 #39

So NAFTA Phlem Oct 2014 #40

Centrists made me what I am today. mmonk Oct 2014 #41

You have your view and I have mine However, 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #42

agreed. Phlem Oct 2014 #43

There is somethign wrong with DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #44

Do you agree with TPP? nt TBF Oct 2014 #45

Oh boy ... another one. TBF Oct 2014 #46

!!! Phlem Oct 2014 #47

Excuse me, this thread is not about the Transfer-Pacific Partnership or me 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #48

Oh I see; I get it. If you had been born here you are saying that you would be President. Really? 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #49

what? Phlem Oct 2014 #50

whom is co author of the TTP. Phlem Oct 2014 #51

My candidate is way out front. You're the one who sounds desperate 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #52

So? I'm sure Bernie and the other wannabes will try to make something of that - unsuccessfully so. 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #53

Don't Ya Just LOVE The Thread Hi-Jacking ??? WillyT Oct 2014 #54

Still had to be done. Phlem Oct 2014 #55

Activist, losers, my way or the highway BootinUp Oct 2014 #56

The Democratic Party will be the singular dominate force in the US for the next generation or so 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #57

You said it. Phlem Oct 2014 #58

I sure as fuck hope the whole of DU see this particular post in all it's glory!!!!!! Phlem Oct 2014 #59

I hope so too! What, you disagree that the future belongs to the Democratic Party & not the GOP 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #60

Here's Bi-Partisan For Ya... The Last Two Presidents To Fight The Oligarchs Were Roosevelts... WillyT Oct 2014 #61

Sorry, I'm married to a "Wall Street Lawyer"...who contributed to Elizabeth Warren brooklynite Oct 2014 #62

So fix it already. BootinUp Oct 2014 #63

They were all good men - McGovern, Carter, Mondale et al. Unfortunately, they were also losers who 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #64

If You Wouldn't Mind... Generally... How Old Are You ??? WillyT Oct 2014 #65

One Big False Equivalence colsohlibgal Oct 2014 #66

Really? 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #67

I'm only a few years younger than you are. 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #68

President Obama, President Clintond and future President Hillary are about results! 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #69

Hillary will be the Democratic nominee and the 45th President 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #70

Both Presidents Clinton and Obama have concurred with the doctrine of American exceptionalism. 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #71

I'll back someone who knows how to fuckin win. nt BootinUp Oct 2014 #72

Here is what Obama said WRT NAFTA when he was lying for votes nationalize the fed Oct 2014 #73

Here are a couple of photos nationalize the fed Oct 2014 #74

"Kissinger is a friend, and I relied on his counsel when I served as secretary of state." Quackers Oct 2014 #75

transformed into what DonCoquixote Oct 2014 #76

I agree! n/t bobGandolf Oct 2014 #77

Sweetie it doesn't matter which one - TBF Oct 2014 #78

All about screwing the masses. LWolf Oct 2014 #79

Why won't you answer the question? TBF Oct 2014 #80

But that's not the point of the OP... brooklynite Oct 2014 #81

But that's not what your research shows - TBF Oct 2014 #82

I appreciate your efforts at attempting dialogue with that poster, BUT... stillwaiting Oct 2014 #83

The third way is the Koch Bros. TBF Oct 2014 #84

...but still the bulk of the vote brooklynite Oct 2014 #85

I agree. stillwaiting Oct 2014 #86

Clinton's policies are why we are in such trouble now. alarimer Oct 2014 #87

After NAFTA manufacturing wages and household incomes went up UNTIL pampango Oct 2014 #88

Its a big tent. How about a hug from a centrist??? aikoaiko Oct 2014 #89

So you're willing to negotiate with small government fraudsters and conspirators? Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 #90

Perhaps centrists should be giving out hugs to their ideological brothers and sisters in the GOP Youdontwantthetruth Oct 2014 #91

Sure, I'll hug them, too. aikoaiko Oct 2014 #92

I don't consider myself a centrist at all but we can't be unwelcoming to them. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #93

I couldn't disagree with you more. 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #94

Wow, I can't believe the attack you just made on Presidents Obama and Clinton 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #95

Isolationism and Protectionism don't work. It's been tried. 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #96

If Hillary is on the ticket, I will vote for her. Baitball Blogger Oct 2014 #97

Yes, Hillary will be on the top of the ticket - inevitable 3rdwaydem Oct 2014 #98

FYI, I think you spelled Phlegm wrong snooper2 Oct 2014 #99

You're refuting your own cite. smh. nt TBF Oct 2014 #100

LMAO Enthusiast Oct 2014 #101

Congressional voting because of ones source of corporate campaign money is undemocratic. L0oniX Oct 2014 #102

That's nice. truebluegreen Oct 2014 #103

Get used to people switching to independent too. L0oniX Oct 2014 #104

Yes! Voting based on who gives you money instead of those they represent is undemocratic. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #105

The right way - TBF Oct 2014 #106

I use to be UglyGreed Oct 2014 #107

^^^THIS^^^ L0oniX Oct 2014 #108

Winnin' is everythin! truebluegreen Oct 2014 #109

Centrists are actually moderate republicans who want to smoke dope and get laid. nt Zorra Oct 2014 #110

Pathetic ain't it. L0oniX Oct 2014 #111

You tried to counter the posters point but ended up backing theri point. NCTraveler Oct 2014 #112

Can't Phlem Oct 2014 #113

Gotta say.... Bobbie Jo Oct 2014 #114

Why are you posting stuff from Brian Westbury “a Fellow of the George W. Bush Presidential Center?” markme88 Oct 2014 #115

Forked tongue is not admirable. JEB Oct 2014 #116

What are you talking about? The first is from Paul Krugman's blog; the second - wikimedia; pampango Oct 2014 #117

I'm a good old-fashioned Democrat. Not a free market one. madfloridian Oct 2014 #118

Your third chart "Source:Brian Westbury, First Trust Portfolios" markme88 Oct 2014 #119

Notably you are not claiming that the graph is not accurate. Fine. Same graph, different sources. pampango Oct 2014 #120

Precisely. Enthusiast Oct 2014 #121

they drink lots of Pinot noir too Douglas Carpenter Oct 2014 #122

There ain't no Hard Left. Enthusiast Oct 2014 #123

Fortunately, DU's assessment of Centrists doesn't apply to the real world... brooklynite Oct 2014 #124

Ideological centrism is ludicrous, of course. True Blue Door Oct 2014 #125

Please don't forget repeal of Glass Steagall, the Telecommunications Act, DOMA and DADT. merrily Oct 2014 #126

Notably you did not apologize for posting your Tea party propaganda markme88 Oct 2014 #127

It's not 'propaganda' if it's a factual chart. The tea party does not deal in facts, but in fear, pampango Oct 2014 #136

It's Tea Party propaganda. markme88 Oct 2014 #138

I don't consider Sweden and Germany to be "free market" in that they have strong unions, pampango Oct 2014 #135

Should have made a more clear statement. JEB Oct 2014 #133

What question??? nt LWolf Oct 2014 #137

President Obama has governed exactly as he campaigned. NYC Liberal Oct 2014 #134

This message was self-deleted by its author Mnpaul Oct 2014 #128

This message was self-deleted by its author Mnpaul Oct 2014 #129

Goldwater was a supreme asshole. cheapdate Oct 2014 #130

"Third Way" and "New Dem" are indicative of the former DLC crowd Samantha Oct 2014 #131

+100000000 Phlem Oct 2014 #132