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15. Pulling defeat out of the jaws of victory

Wed Nov 5, 2014, 04:27 PM

Nov 2014

The Senate map is definitely in our favor next cycle, but we suffered a bigger loss than anticipated, so we will still have to work for it.

Hillary comes with a lot of baggage and a lot of deep seeded hatred amongst members of the Fox viewing audience. She is also simply not a very inspirational candidate to anyone other than Democratic party loyalists. While both demographics, the Fox audience and Dem loyalists are aging, she ran a pretty crappy campaign in 2007-08. Time and again she has worked with party hacks who have lost many more elections than they've won. The Clinton hate and sexism and lack of a compelling reason to vote for her make me see her as the candidate who will pull defeat out of the jaws of victory.

Plus, I strongly believe that we can and do deserve better.

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I'll Just Say It Now -- Hillary Can't Win [View all] Dems2002 Nov 2014 OP

I also want to hear those kinds of words....whoever says them gets my vote, even if it's HRC. northoftheborder Nov 2014 #1

Hillary can, and will win if she runs. And women will give her Massive coattails. nt onehandle Nov 2014 #2

Not by this woman's vote during any primary woodsprite Nov 2014 #10

I second that... MoonchildCA Nov 2014 #82

Nor this woman's - and not in the general either bread_and_roses Nov 2014 #168

I'm with you. Not even in the general. I'll vote green. broiles Nov 2014 #177

ahem PatrynXX Nov 2014 #96

Please........... Beacool Nov 2014 #147

She's 3rd way. Phlem Nov 2014 #99

The third way Phlem Nov 2014 #113

The Third Way are not Democrats. They are far right on almost every issue, using women and sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #142

I didn't even know about Third Way Democrats nilesobek Nov 2014 #155

Sherrod Brown, Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, Martin Heinrich, John Hickenlooper NordicLeft Nov 2014 #201

Hickenlooper? paulk Nov 2014 #208

I stand corrected. Looked into him a lot more. He is not suitable. NordicLeft Nov 2014 #209

Name a republican who can beat her? But I WILL say this, 7962 Nov 2014 #194

Ask Iowans about Hillary Clinton... CoffeeCat Nov 2014 #148

Not this woman. Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #161

+1 She's what the Dems have going for them (duh) flamingdem Nov 2014 #170

Not this woman either, I'm Faux pas Nov 2014 #202

Not this woman nor any Democratic woman I know. She supports the one thing is the most sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #203

shut up trueblue2007 Nov 2014 #3

She sure can and will beat any Republican the GOP wants to put up. leftofcool Nov 2014 #36

No. She can't. JDPriestly Nov 2014 #86

Karl Rove and his little machine ain't shit... DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2014 #175

WHO does the GOP have that could beat her? WHO would get the Independents? 7962 Nov 2014 #195

Ummmmmm, lets see Iliyah Nov 2014 #198

You just named the same names That I said COULDN'T beat her. 7962 Nov 2014 #199

You are talking about polls today that show Clinton ahead. JDPriestly Nov 2014 #210

But most people look at the Clinton years fondly and would take him back for more. 7962 Nov 2014 #211

Why do they stay home? Dems2002 Nov 2014 #206

Finally, an intellectual voice of reason and debate. AngryAmish Nov 2014 #104

No more so than some of the other comments here. Beacool Nov 2014 #146

I'll just reply - Yes She Can! Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2014 #4

Pulling defeat out of the jaws of victory Dems2002 Nov 2014 #15

Much better to run a small state Socialist in an election where half the voters are center-right? brooklynite Nov 2014 #17

Step back and read the OP again JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #50

Which candidate did I actually suggest? Dems2002 Nov 2014 #135

There's as much Clinton love among the electorate as Clinton hate Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2014 #20

Hillary has never had an executive position, not even mayor, much less governor. JDPriestly Nov 2014 #88

I assume you realize that Bernie Sanders has no chance of being elected President of the US Algernon Moncrieff Nov 2014 #95

Vermont was considered to be a fairly conservative state until Bernie Sanders showed up. JDPriestly Nov 2014 #98

Indeed! Man from Pickens Nov 2014 #111

Quite true! And we need a radically different candidate, not the same warmed over approach. I think RKP5637 Nov 2014 #123

Thanks. Great post. Clear and Consistent like Bernie's message. JDPriestly Nov 2014 #151

I agree. n/t. ms liberty Nov 2014 #126

Many here would disagree with you. I don't. 7962 Nov 2014 #197

Hillary is Secretary of State Megahurtz Nov 2014 #124

Bullcrap!!! Beacool Nov 2014 #149

So Bernie Sanders is DU's Dennis Kucinich 2.0 DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2014 #172

Apparently so.......... Beacool Nov 2014 #187

Two points DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2014 #189

Interesting. Beacool Nov 2014 #207

Who would be better ? QuestionAlways Nov 2014 #69

Lol. The people in this country are scared shitless of socialists. They would line them jtuck004 Nov 2014 #85

+1 lunasun Nov 2014 #130

Yeah, it's just a tille, but most people run from it... DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2014 #174

Business and the trade unions and government made sure that American would spit on jtuck004 Nov 2014 #186

Where's Mittens, Paul Ryan and Scott Walker in that survey? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2014 #40

Well that's quite the poll, did they miss anyone... nope got all 145% of them. A Simple Game Nov 2014 #52

It was based on 100% base for each individual candidate QuestionAlways Nov 2014 #73

If she can not win as a Democrat I don't see anyone else in the mix who can beat the Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #5

We don't have many with name recognition LeftInTX Nov 2014 #16

And don't forget Joni Ernst maryellen99 Nov 2014 #19

Sorry to point this out to you but Liz Warren was a Republican until a few Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #22

She's a Dem now. A strong solid DEM. Raine1967 Nov 2014 #45

She is considering running. Have you read her book? It is oriented toward a campaign. JDPriestly Nov 2014 #91

Bernie Sanders has the most experience, both in an executive position as mayor of a city in JDPriestly Nov 2014 #90

Perhaps for some he may have a winning resume but his Socialist position would not Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #157

He gets elected in Vermont, nad his stances are traditional Democratic stances. JDPriestly Nov 2014 #165

She actually got more votes in the Democratic primaries than Barack Obama DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2014 #173

She may not get elected but Bernie, no, Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #192

+1000000 His record is more consistently on the side of the people woo me with science Nov 2014 #163

oh yescshe can...she has 64% approval VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #6

Her approval rating is below 50%. AtomicKitten Nov 2014 #29

Check yourself Proud Public Servant Nov 2014 #32

check this AtomicKitten Nov 2014 #43

BS. Metric System Nov 2014 #7

If she can't win, nobody can. MoonRiver Nov 2014 #8

The DLC, Third Way Democrats lost in big numbers. The true liberals from Franken JDPriestly Nov 2014 #93

Jerry Brown is a liberal?? That's news to me. BlueCaliDem Nov 2014 #103

Jerry Brown gets credit for a lot of the common sense that prevails in our state today. JDPriestly Nov 2014 #152

Newface in 2016! charlespercydemocrat Nov 2014 #9

oh really. you aren't proud now? trueblue2007 Nov 2014 #11

I don't know what I'm more proud of at the moment, Maedhros Nov 2014 #27

oh brother... progressivebydesign Nov 2014 #105

You're proud of civilian casualties caused by unnecessary military action? Maedhros Nov 2014 #112

Yawn. eom grossproffit Nov 2014 #74

But, she's ahead now against GOP and her approval is in the sixties. Dawgs Nov 2014 #12

her approval is below 50% AtomicKitten Nov 2014 #54

I think you're missing my point. Dawgs Nov 2014 #154

Your wit is dry, sir/mam. AtomicKitten Nov 2014 #188

Right now were looking down the highway at Christie, Paul, Cruz as nominee's... Historic NY Nov 2014 #13

I love Hillary, shes a wonderful woman and no she won't win. Autumn Nov 2014 #14

I think your sig line explains why. nt DocMac Nov 2014 #70

the sig line should actually read: wyldwolf Nov 2014 #94

Thank you for the expanded version. DocMac Nov 2014 #107

Here's another quote you won't see here: wyldwolf Nov 2014 #108

I appreciate that, thanks. nt DocMac Nov 2014 #119

Funny, I was told 6 years ago that a Black Man SomethingFishy Nov 2014 #18

If you call someone who is for health care for all and we know Hillary tried to Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #24

She would be much like Obama, great on social issues, but taking care of Wall Street and the MIC. Dustlawyer Nov 2014 #58

I'm with Bernie--publically funded elections are the way to go. They'd get the corruption out of Louisiana1976 Nov 2014 #65

+1000000. n/t ms liberty Nov 2014 #127

She has to run. Who exactly else are we going to run? Thrill Nov 2014 #21

There's never much of an answer beyond Bernie Sanders and Warren LordGlenconner Nov 2014 #25

O'Malley is out yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #128

I don't think anyone really cares about local Maryland issues outside of Maryland LordGlenconner Nov 2014 #183

Fair enough! yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #184

Someone who has Liberal and Progressive values, Maedhros Nov 2014 #28

I think we should put "The American People" on the ballot. glinda Nov 2014 #41

we'll have to wait and see 0rganism Nov 2014 #23

Yes she can. And I hope she does. nolabear Nov 2014 #26

Of course she can win. And she probably will. OrwellwasRight Nov 2014 #30

There you go - in better words than I could come up with. hedgehog Nov 2014 #34

I'm Kind Of Inclined To Agree With You...... global1 Nov 2014 #31

I reluctantly supported Obama too in the primary Dems2002 Nov 2014 #140

All she will get from me is a vote in the GE Nedsdag Nov 2014 #33

Sadly, I agree elfin Nov 2014 #35

It depends on who she runs against. Le Taz Hot Nov 2014 #37

Jeb has some empathy for immigrants, DocMac Nov 2014 #116

Sure she can. zappaman Nov 2014 #38

With House and Senate in control she is in with Monsanto so should be perfect. glinda Nov 2014 #39

I'm not voting for her, because she's incompetent. blackcrowflies Nov 2014 #42

Yeah, Biden's a genius. His quip that Orman will caucus with the Dems really helped. SunSeeker Nov 2014 #53

If Orman has committed, it's news to me. blackcrowflies Nov 2014 #159

Yeah, that's why Biden's comment suggesting he had committed hurt Orman. SunSeeker Nov 2014 #181

maybe.... maybe not berksdem Nov 2014 #44

Welcome to DU, berksdem! OrwellwasRight Nov 2014 #56

welcome to DU -- i'd prefer EW too. nashville_brook Nov 2014 #59

Only her health will stand in the way ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2014 #46

Can she win the Democratic primary?... n/t PoliticAverse Nov 2014 #47

She is "the anointed one". Therefore, she has already lost the primary. w4rma Nov 2014 #55

It is amosing to see such certainty Progressive dog Nov 2014 #48

You're nuts. Hillary stomps any republican into the dirt in 2016. The electorate is MillennialDem Nov 2014 #49

I'm not a big fan or Hillary NewJeffCT Nov 2014 #60

the numbers aren't supporting the young part of that, even in FL with pot on the ballot. nashville_brook Nov 2014 #62

Yeah they are - the young are disengaged during off cycle elections but vote MillennialDem Nov 2014 #68

she will win blackapron Nov 2014 #51

it would be just like Charlie Crist last night -- we need NEW progressive leadership nashville_brook Nov 2014 #57

i would support Howard Dean in a heartbeat. But he probably won't run. ALBliberal Nov 2014 #61

I doubt he will Duval Nov 2014 #71

Yes I remember. ALBliberal Nov 2014 #132

Extra butter on mine, please. KamaAina Nov 2014 #63

The reason I think Hillary Can Duval Nov 2014 #64

+1 Yes she can. For the reasons you state. RufusTFirefly Nov 2014 #79

Unfortunately, the MSM has a Clinton Vendetta Dems2002 Nov 2014 #129

WHO KNOWS SoLeftIAmRight Nov 2014 #66

Right now I would say sadoldgirl Nov 2014 #67

k&r for Elizabeth Warren. n/t Laelth Nov 2014 #72

^^^This^^^! Phlem Nov 2014 #101

+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! - K & R !!! WillyT Nov 2014 #75

What the Democratic Party needs is not Hillary, who is to the right of Obama, who is pretty right- Louisiana1976 Nov 2014 #76

The Clinton Foundation Jeneral2885 Nov 2014 #77

Hillary CAN win, and Hillary WILL win. n/t SylviaD Nov 2014 #78

Democrats certainly can't win if Democrats don't vote for them. baldguy Nov 2014 #80

I hope that Hillary won't listen Legalequilibrium78 Nov 2014 #81

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #83

And what are your credentials? Lil Missy Nov 2014 #84

Sure she can win vi5 Nov 2014 #87

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #89

what republican turd could beat hillary? jonjensen Nov 2014 #92

One of my concerns about Hillary Chemisse Nov 2014 #97

I, for one, believe you are correct. SheilaT Nov 2014 #100

Well said. And true. nruthie Nov 2014 #115

Thank you. SheilaT Nov 2014 #139

you are being too kind to Hillary. She and Bill are part of the problem yurbud Nov 2014 #102

That's the idea, sulphurdunn Nov 2014 #106

And so it begins. Darb Nov 2014 #109

Wish we could pass the baton onto the next generation - rerunning the 1990's WestSeattle2 Nov 2014 #110

I agree. nruthie Nov 2014 #114

So, please tell us what Dem could win under those circumstances? MoonRiver Nov 2014 #118

Exactly! Who is this magical Democratic candidate that will be treated nicely by Republicans?!? Metric System Nov 2014 #134

Totally agree RiverLover Nov 2014 #117

If she gains appeal Isoldeblue Nov 2014 #120

I'm with Bernie! TheNutcracker Nov 2014 #121

Dark money, voter suppression and extreme attacks will be the order of the day for any Dem nominee muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #122

We NEED to run Bernie Sanders he's the only Dem who can win in 2016! Metric System Nov 2014 #125

Let's try something really different and run George Clooney Generic Brad Nov 2014 #137

I think you're right AnnieBW Nov 2014 #131

At least Hillary's baggage has been well inspected. Republicans will attack ANY Dem we run. Just Metric System Nov 2014 #133

Sherrod Brown is a true Progressive RiverLover Nov 2014 #136

So, who could possibly defeat her customerserviceguy Nov 2014 #138

I'm sure you think Lizzy Warren is an actual viable candidate. Beausoir Nov 2014 #141

Fuck Hilary, she's just another Capitalist tool. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #143

I would vote for her without hesitation bhikkhu Nov 2014 #144

On this site she'll never win. Beacool Nov 2014 #145

That's the hangover talking. She can win and will win. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2014 #150

Some different names... DAMANgoldberg Nov 2014 #153

Hillary Clinton will be our next president. Orsino Nov 2014 #156

Big Hillary suppoerter hear and I will give you a K&R. NCTraveler Nov 2014 #158

Many of us have been saying this. Not only can she not win. She WON'T win!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Nov 2014 #160

I read the comments on this thread Phlem Nov 2014 #162

Ignore the pro-Hillary bullying. woo me with science Nov 2014 #164

Thanks for this woo. Phlem Nov 2014 #200

I've watched her performance on taking on Wall Street and lets face it, her acting skills NorthCarolina Nov 2014 #166

Biden would stand a better chance INdemo Nov 2014 #167

A tip of my hat to you CanonRay Nov 2014 #169

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #171

Who do you think can win? The country unfortunately has gone right for a while still_one Nov 2014 #176

Actually, the Koch Brothers would try to cut a deal. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2014 #178

Corporate Democrats will run Hillary only if woo me with science Nov 2014 #179

Bookmarking...nt SidDithers Nov 2014 #180

She's the only one who can! get the red out Nov 2014 #182

DING DING DING! Dems2002, you're our grand prize winners! rocktivity Nov 2014 #185

With all due respect to all who think differently ...... I concur with the OP. meti57b Nov 2014 #190

"dark money, voter suppression and extreme attacks will be the order of the day" MisterP Nov 2014 #191

I think she can. Look who she's up against. Jester Messiah Nov 2014 #193

"And if she does win..." DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2014 #196

I'll say it now - Hillary is the ONLY one who CAN win. Lil Missy Nov 2014 #204

Hillary can win a squeaker Awsi Dooger Nov 2014 #205