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olegramps

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172. I understand that many are concerned about the environment, myself included:

Fri Nov 14, 2014, 01:39 PM

Nov 2014

I understand that the oil from Canada is dirtier and will add to the pollution of the climate, but it appears that blocking the pipe line will not solve that problem. If the pipe line is blocked then it will be sent by rail. There seem to be some merit to the argument that this is more dangerous and will tax the already under performing rail system that is having problems with grain shipments. The greatest fear by some is that it may fail and pollute the massive Ogalla aquifer that is essential for the ability to produce a majority of our grains. I don't understand why it can't be rerouted or done with double wall pipe in which if the inner pipe has a leak then the leak would still be contained until the pipe could be prepared.

I just want to add that it is my understanding the pipe line will carry oil from the Northern U.S. oil fields that is presently shipped by rail. If any of what I have cited is erroneous please correct me.

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nope youre absolutely right the parties are exactly the same belzabubba333 Nov 2014 #1

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Go ahead. Name some that are more important than TPP, Keystone (and you forgot) Iraq n/t RufusTFirefly Nov 2014 #27

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~ sheshe2 Nov 2014 #112

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The horrible truth. woo me with science Nov 2014 #132

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Kick and R. BeanMusical Nov 2014 #126

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China climate agreement? Vetoing keystone? mahina Nov 2014 #134

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K&R. JDPriestly Nov 2014 #179

... SidDithers Nov 2014 #185

Will, it seems that you've touched a nerve ....... marmar Nov 2014 #191

We live to serve. WilliamPitt Nov 2014 #192