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80. But there is about how the Court of Human Rights thinks...

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #74)

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 01:49 PM

Nov 2014

The fundamental right
This right is so important in modern democracies, constitutional monarchies and republics that many have explicitly included it in their legal codes and constitutions:

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, article 11, states: "Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence.".

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I give the fuck up. Bill Cosby Gets Standing Ovation at Florida Theater [View all] Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 OP

It's Florida....'nuff said?...n/t monmouth4 Nov 2014 #1

No shit BeyondGeography Nov 2014 #2

+1 CountAllVotes Nov 2014 #3

Depressing. ~nt RiverLover Nov 2014 #4

i want to vomit LawDeeDah Nov 2014 #5

Cosby has not been charged with any crime. Some chose not to believe the accusers are telling the Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #6

Did you forgot a sarcasm tag or was that actually serious? Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #7

Cosby has not been charged with any crime. Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #8

This message was self-deleted by its author ejbr Nov 2014 #14

There was that whole intervening "ceased to exist" that prevents that, but you are correct. Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #16

correct, he committed suicide. ejbr Nov 2014 #72

What? The six million jews don't count? rock Nov 2014 #17

Having trouble letting go of his image as warm "Dr Huxtable" on the Cosby show? RiverLover Nov 2014 #18

Well, you are, for the fun of it. Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #19

Wow. ~nt RiverLover Nov 2014 #22

How about "these people" antiquie Nov 2014 #38

A predictor? cwydro Nov 2014 #40

Heh! I caught that too. cer7711 Nov 2014 #48

Damn auto correct. I'm a spelling nazi too. Please forgive!!! RiverLover Nov 2014 #50

I Suspected the Auto-corrector! cer7711 Nov 2014 #123

It looks really bad, but in every case one is innocent until proven guilty. The Wielding Truth Nov 2014 #144

Neither has Dick Cheney... Chef Eric Nov 2014 #55

...and there you have it... ejbr Nov 2014 #67

And he won't be, which means people must make up their own minds, pnwmom Nov 2014 #106

Okay, I understand disgust with Cosby, what the heck do you have against the poor 1monster Nov 2014 #58

He had to pay off one of his victims in 2006 BeyondGeography Nov 2014 #13

Actually the only thing by definition that makes you a criminal is being convicted of a crime. Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #21

Really? mac56 Nov 2014 #23

that is what the term "innocent until PROVEN VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #39

Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #41

That applies to jurors. But it doesn't apply in the case of a man who has settled all the claims pnwmom Nov 2014 #108

NO...wrong...its a fundamental right VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #109

It is a fundamental LEGAL right. Everyone facing trial is to be presumed innocent. pnwmom Nov 2014 #112

the poster has had that pointed out to him in this thread multiple times Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #117

that simple fact is beyond some folks' grasp cali Nov 2014 #122

Ordinary public option? You are equating ordinary, versus 'special', I guess, public opinion, with the Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #167

Can I ask you a serious question? jberryhill Nov 2014 #139

The person may have a mental illness, maybe they were so drunk as to not have the men's rea, Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #168

Not necessarily freedom fighter jh Nov 2014 #25

Circular argument...massively so. Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #26

You got the definition of "circular argument" wrong too. RiverLover Nov 2014 #28

Citing a definition is a massive circular argument? freedom fighter jh Nov 2014 #29

Sorry, Mr. Sanders. Thespian2 Nov 2014 #37

Please return immediately to law school for some remedial courses, sir. Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #166

Perhaps Thespian2 Nov 2014 #170

they DO vilify the accusers. the OVERWHELMING praise for b.c. IS a statement: BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2014 #31

Yep. Apparently innocent until proven guilty is only for *some* people. laundry_queen Nov 2014 #169

what part of "the women are lying" do you not see as vilifying the accusers? niyad Nov 2014 #65

the man is absolute fucking scum Skittles Nov 2014 #157

"they viewed him as an entertainer"... so what? these charges are very serious, and I remember secondwind Nov 2014 #9

Why would you be surprised? Who the hell would pay to see him anyway? Happyhippychick Nov 2014 #10

Innocent until proven guilty Renew Deal Nov 2014 #11

So you figure Jimmy Savile is innocent, as well? nt delrem Nov 2014 #12

Don't remember him Renew Deal Nov 2014 #15

British DJ, knighted for charity work, sexually abused hundreds of children and teenagers muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #32

but it is still our way... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #42

However, Cosby did settle a law suit about it muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #60

and that doesn't hold up in a court of law either... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #61

guess what, 'nilla? we don't live in a courtroom. people are perfectly free to come to their own cali Nov 2014 #63

Guess what Cal....that is the proverbial "court of public opinion" but in REAL life.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #66

No, not in reality muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #70

Yes in reality....its a fundamental right VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #71

Nothing there about how American people think muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #74

But there is about how the Court of Human Rights thinks... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #80

And the context of that is penal offences muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #82

NO he is being called guilty....when there will be no trial... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #83

Then why didn't you reply to someone calling him guilty, rather than someone muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #90

Its the same....Jeffery Dahmer had HEADS in the fridge...he STILL got a fair trail with the VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #91

He had the chance to defend himself against the civil suit muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #94

that doesn't equal guilt....still not the same.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #95

Then why didn't you reply to someone calling him guilty, rather than someone muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #96

this has nothing to do with Jimmy Savile or Jeffery Dahmer..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #97

YOU brought up Jeffery Dahmer. delrem brought up Jimmy Savile. muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #98

YES because Jeffery Dahmer had actual heads in his refridgerator..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #102

So what? jberryhill Nov 2014 #140

like Zimmerman and Darren Wilson, both not guilty in your eyes, right? nt kelly1mm Nov 2014 #156

That right protects the individual from the state, not from public opinion. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #78

Right and he will suffer from that....but there will not be a trial....and no resolution to this... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #81

then there is no problem at all from a human rights perspective. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #84

I am not defending him....I am saying....he will never be found guilty in a court of law VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #85

so your attacker wasn't a criminal? ack. cali Nov 2014 #87

he was not found guilty.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #89

bzzzt. fail, 'nils. that's true in the legal arena- which is no more real life than cali Nov 2014 #86

bzzzt Fail Ca VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #88

in a court of law. the court of public opinion is perfectly free to judge. cali Nov 2014 #92

The court of public opinion is a Kangaroo court...he is not going to get to present a defense... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #93

funny, I haven't seen you screeching about this in the threads about Wilson. cali Nov 2014 #99

huh? Who is Wilson? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #100

uh, the numerous threads about the cop who killed Michael Brown cali Nov 2014 #104

I said what? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #105

In "real life" he has suffered none of the consequences skepticscott Nov 2014 #114

Well he has lost a couple jobs so far.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #115

Cosby has not been denied the right to a fair trial skepticscott Nov 2014 #118

Yes he has...but the statute of limitations has happened... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #126

Yes, that happens when you coerce victims not to brings charges skepticscott Nov 2014 #141

oh for fuck's sake. this isn't rocket science, 'nilla. Due process is a legal precept cali Nov 2014 #119

Oh for fucks sake yourself..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #128

lol. "COURT of LAW... it's the law of the land" cali Nov 2014 #131

Are we not Americans? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #133

OK. One more time- again: cali Nov 2014 #136

One more time for you...WE are a NATiON of LAWS! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #138

Neither a Florida theater nor DU are a court of law muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #68

Do you have a problem with someone stating facts? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #69

Do *you* have a problem with someone stating facts? muriel_volestrangler Nov 2014 #75

the presumption of innocence IS a fundamental Right.....AND the The American way.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #76

ONLY IN A COURTROOM. PERIOD> FUCKING EXCLAMATION MARK cali Nov 2014 #121

I THOUGHT we were the SCIENCE and EVIDENCE people..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #124

well that was even more nonsensical than the rest of your ridiculous posts in this thread cali Nov 2014 #127

Except for the fact that i provided FACTS....and you are denying them like Climate Change deniers... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #130

one more time, just for you- and in very simple language for you: cali Nov 2014 #134

One more time for YOU... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #135

"We are a nation of LAWS.....that is what we are!!! " ohheckyeah Nov 2014 #142

we aren't? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #143

Sweet Jesus - are ohheckyeah Nov 2014 #146

Sweet Jesus are YOU? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #148

The only concrete fact that you presented delrem Nov 2014 #159

As I said...and it is not JUST the American way... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #77

bwahahaha. too funny, nils. cali Nov 2014 #120

I JUST gave you facts...as I OFTEN do.....you can deny "science" all you want!!!! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #125

bwahahahah. you just keep getting funnier and funnier. cali Nov 2014 #129

No you just keep denying the obvious.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #132

do you realize, 'nilla, that no one in this thread agrees with your cali Nov 2014 #137

The presumption of innocence only applies in a CRIMINAL COURTROOM. Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2014 #155

Recall who you are debating with. delrem Nov 2014 #160

Oh really? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #161

Factually and legally are two different things. Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2014 #162

hahahahaha right... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #163

Girlfriend, where did YOU earn YOUR law degree??????? Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2014 #164

I think it's a troll. delrem Nov 2014 #165

you're probably right. Manifestor_of_Light Nov 2014 #172

Using Vanilla logic... Generic Other Nov 2014 #171

I do, Cali dear, and once again you are wrong and insult in order to feel better about it. Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #176

do you really think that would have made a difference to the assholes in FL if he had been convicted bowens43 Nov 2014 #152

Yes. Renew Deal Nov 2014 #154

looking over the comments to this post... smiley Nov 2014 #20

"What are the odds that 13 different women from different backgrounds who have very similar and" baldguy Nov 2014 #24

Stop making sense. The deniers on here are amazing. HERVEPA Nov 2014 #27

You are mischaracterizing. They are not deniers, they are reserving judgment until more is known. elias7 Nov 2014 #47

DUers like to be judge, jury, and executioner IronLionZion Nov 2014 #53

We are none of the above. Consequently when a sick fuck like Cosby gets exposed Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #62

Seriously Dorian Gray Nov 2014 #158

He setttled earlier suits. This has been going on for years. All the women with very stories. HERVEPA Nov 2014 #57

I'm not denying anything smiley Nov 2014 #149

Good post. nt cwydro Nov 2014 #44

"Just doesn't seem like the liberal thing to do." < I have heard this somewhere before... n/t jtuck004 Nov 2014 #45

Here in the stupid, backwards red state of Arizona ChazII Nov 2014 #30

So those accusations are just nonsense, CaptainTruth Nov 2014 #33

Some People Don't Like Change jalan48 Nov 2014 #34

I think you make a good point daleo Nov 2014 #43

GREAT post. Four lines of copy sum it all up. calimary Nov 2014 #59

You mean the fucking Rick Scott state? What do you expect? They LOVE criminal assholes. nt valerief Nov 2014 #35

Sickening... SidDithers Nov 2014 #36

Jameis Winston gets standing ovations every week albino65 Nov 2014 #46

So...was he actually guilty of sexually assaulting all of those women.... Stellar Nov 2014 #49

All of the right wing evangelical christians I know are convinced that Cosby is 100% Don Draper Nov 2014 #51

But I thought they hated blacks yeoman6987 Nov 2014 #101

Well, there is ohheckyeah Nov 2014 #147

Just like Steelers QB Ben Rapistberger, gets adoration and praise every Sunday. Dont call me Shirley Nov 2014 #52

This is a very ugly conflation skepticscott Nov 2014 #54

I think the psychological phenomenon you delineate here (quite nicely, I might add) is KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #64

The only ovation I would give him is a whack to the head. appleannie1 Nov 2014 #56

O.J. Simpson. Some cheered him too. Lex Nov 2014 #73

I give the fuck up. Bill Cosby gets a big fat pass on DU too. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #79

I guess there are enough people here who truedelphi Nov 2014 #145

It's weird, isn't it? Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #173

I admit to having had mixed feelings about Allen, I really wanted to believe he wasnt Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #174

I have to say, if 16 people had made the accusation, I'd find it pretty damn impossible to question. Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #175

you know what is sad- it would probably take one man to spill the beans and suddenly we would see bettyellen Nov 2014 #103

It wasn't until male comedian Hannibal Burress called Cosby a rapist that Sheldon Cooper Nov 2014 #110

Yep- a man takes it seriously, and all of a sudden- maybe they are not all "nuts and sluts". bettyellen Nov 2014 #111

I wonder if this same crowd would also cheer Ray Rice, Aaron Hernandez, and Jerry Sandusky? Initech Nov 2014 #107

They were people who were already big enough fans to buy a ticket in the first place Adenoid_Hynkel Nov 2014 #113

The people that would show up are probably fans JonLP24 Nov 2014 #116

People held up signs that read "Go OJ Go!" Dreamer Tatum Nov 2014 #150

florida...... doesnt surprise me at all bowens43 Nov 2014 #151

Glad we live in a country where folks are free to do that. bigwillq Nov 2014 #153

Your Last Line explains it Derek V Nov 2014 #177