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In reply to the discussion: The issues with DU participation IMHO, are a conflict between two thoughts on how to advance Liberal [View all]el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)1. Let me see if I understand that
You are saying that one group at DU supports wall street loving, surveillance state supporting sell outs in hopes that things won't get worse.
The other group supports candidates who actually stand for liberal ideals, and who support the positions that they believe in.
The later group should, rather than support candidates that they believe in, support wall-street loving surveillance state supporting sell outs - or leave DU?
Is that right?
Bryant
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The issues with DU participation IMHO, are a conflict between two thoughts on how to advance Liberal [View all]
stevenleser
Dec 2014
OP
As framed, your question gives an incorrect perception. Many have already left or stopped
stevenleser
Dec 2014
#17
No, it is in decline since August, assuming one believes the Alexa stats as posted in another OP
stevenleser
Dec 2014
#26
Are you voting for whomever wins the nomination in the Democratic Primary Election?
VanillaRhapsody
Dec 2014
#30
Lieberman would not be nominated. He was "tolerated" because he was needed--not celebrated.
MADem
Dec 2014
#119
Um, no, they don't. Have you been put in charge of the Pledge Drive? Or anything? n/t
djean111
Dec 2014
#251
I'm not a gambler I want to support someone who isn't in bed with Wall Street.
el_bryanto
Dec 2014
#137
Obviously, Pub Lite didn't do well in 2010 or 2012. Yet, we are going to continue the meme
merrily
Dec 2014
#220
It's a rare "moral victory" that is delivered in the form of an electoral defeat. n/t
lumberjack_jeff
Dec 2014
#205
Nope. Unless you're just elucidating on the OP strawman version of group 2.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
Dec 2014
#80
No. I did not say "criticising". I said "relentlessly pillorying". Big difference. nt
stevenleser
Dec 2014
#5
Sure, criticism= I don't like the comment you made to this OP. Relentless pillorying=, I go to
stevenleser
Dec 2014
#19
I think some folks here spend much of their time preaching about how slow all change must be
Bluenorthwest
Dec 2014
#44
I'm about to run out for a few hours, but there is a big difference IMO between
stevenleser
Dec 2014
#58
But this here present moment is not a general election, it's a pre primary holiday period.
Bluenorthwest
Dec 2014
#88
First time I saw the police shoot an unarmed person was in the late 80's. How slow does this process
Bluenorthwest
Dec 2014
#89
I just think your argument would seem more vaild if your two descriptions were more objective
cyberswede
Dec 2014
#37
I think those things also contribute and the jury system's inability to deal with attacks in
stevenleser
Dec 2014
#49
OR outright say they WILL NOT vote for the winner of the Democratic Primary Election....if THEY
VanillaRhapsody
Dec 2014
#36
You don't need to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows with some posters, though.
MADem
Dec 2014
#125
My advice to you as a former mirt member is to pm skinner with some examples of this behavior.
hrmjustin
Dec 2014
#185
I think you are correct. What bugs me is NOT the difference of opinion, it's the name calling.
MADem
Dec 2014
#25
I name the split Pragmatist/Ideologue. Both actually help each other. Neither is an insulting term.
KittyWampus
Dec 2014
#29
"Poor baby didn't get their pony", "Firebagger", "Leftbagger", accusations of being Libertarians,
TheKentuckian
Dec 2014
#97
I wasn't the one whining. You folks are massive hypocrites and started the snark early and often.
TheKentuckian
Dec 2014
#129
I was going to hand you a shovel to make your work easier, so long as you keep digging a hole,
MADem
Dec 2014
#135
As does clinging to privileged perspective fallacies and intellectual dishonesty.
TheKentuckian
Dec 2014
#282
You should take your own advice, there. And maybe try for civility when you converse, too.
MADem
Dec 2014
#286
Name calling isn't nice, but you really equate "purist"--which can apply just as well to a
MADem
Dec 2014
#116
I equate it with the the pearl-clutching over being called a 'centrist' or 'Third Way' or 'New Dem'.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
Dec 2014
#139
I'm sorry, but your argument just doesn't pass the smell test. Or the reality check.
MADem
Dec 2014
#161
In essence, then, anyone who does not agree with YOU is "Third Way" and should be "disregarded."
MADem
Dec 2014
#117
I don't object to your POV--I object to your LANGUAGE, your rudeness, your incivility and
MADem
Dec 2014
#157
I cannot recall seeing a single poster here called Turd Way. Segments of the party, yes, but
merrily
Dec 2014
#215
Oh, so your argument is "Someone was mean to me, so I'm-a gonna get BACK at 'em?"
MADem
Dec 2014
#276
I didn't call progressiveS "pie-in-the-sky." But interesting that you would fake a frame to
MADem
Dec 2014
#290
Elections of candidates are the most clear, direct & immediate way to affect the Democratic process
stevenleser
Dec 2014
#69
It is the responsibility of the people in a democracy to hold public servants accountable.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Dec 2014
#82
Steven, we don't believe just that progress is too slow and incremental but that it is mostly in the
TheKentuckian
Dec 2014
#100
Thank you. Third Way talking points about wanting the same liberal outcome are absurd.
woo me with science
Dec 2014
#105
Yeah and I think that ridiculous claim is why I believe a lot of these folks are malicious
TheKentuckian
Dec 2014
#133
No, we have to change the supposed Democrats who can't wait to press the Republican agenda.
TheKentuckian
Dec 2014
#233
Yeah, you gotta puff, puff, pass. Otherwise, at some point the brain is deprived of oxygen.
TheKentuckian
Dec 2014
#235
lol Reading these responses, most of which have absolutely nothing to do with what you wrote,
Number23
Dec 2014
#110
Notice how folks are saying Steve is calling for a purge (when he isn't) and calling everyone Third
Number23
Dec 2014
#120
I think I am seeing less than half the responses. I'm not seeing purge posts
stevenleser
Dec 2014
#138
I don't use ignore so I see everything. Including the folks jumping like kangaroos around in your
Number23
Dec 2014
#221
So you say Hillary is impeding democracy, let me see if you think these are true.
Thinkingabout
Dec 2014
#222
I am also getting sick and tired of seeing Hillary supporters being called third way.
hrmjustin
Dec 2014
#174
You understand that the Clintons don't think third way is an insult, they invented it.
Exultant Democracy
Dec 2014
#245
I will Support her but I am not third way and don't appreciate when they call me that.
hrmjustin
Dec 2014
#246
You are what you vote for. If you support trangulation you are third way
Exultant Democracy
Dec 2014
#247
I am not DLC and I don't appreciate you calling me that. you know nothing about me.
hrmjustin
Dec 2014
#248
You support Clinton the First Lady of the DLC, that is all I need to know
Exultant Democracy
Dec 2014
#249
65 percent of Democrats polled said they would vote for her in a primary in a poll I seen recently.
hrmjustin
Dec 2014
#250
What should I call someone who supports third way DLC democrats like HRC?
Exultant Democracy
Dec 2014
#265
I'm sure you'll be back soon, maybe then you can answer my question.
Exultant Democracy
Dec 2014
#275
DU has always been this way, but I want to address all the third way nonsense
BootinUp
Dec 2014
#219
We shouldn't criticize the president because...he's part African American? Are you kidding me?
Zorra
Dec 2014
#224
The middle class has not done well under this president and the AA community has done even worse.
CentralMass
Dec 2014
#230
The radical right has kicked ass since Dean was fired, the worst happened
Exultant Democracy
Dec 2014
#241
Ain't it the truth. There may be a half dozen AA's who post here anymore. The hate is palpable.
Tarheel_Dem
Dec 2014
#253
Your kidding me, I'm one of 6 black people left here, you could have fooled me.
Exultant Democracy
Dec 2014
#283
There's Probably at Least a Dozen Mutually Incompatible Ideologies Going on Here
daredtowork
Dec 2014
#254
Plus the fact that we could nominate the mummified senile corpse of St. Ronnie
XemaSab
Dec 2014
#287