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51. No, President Obama is not being a "republican as our president".. Your post shows you have no

Mon Dec 8, 2014, 11:19 PM

Dec 2014

idea what Obama has Accomplished while in WH. Like you have to tear him down to build up EW because she use to be republican.

I admire Elizabeth Warren and I say so what she use to be a republican?.. people can change. I feel the same about Charlie Crist.

In Defense of Obama

The Nobel Prize-winning economist, once one of the president’s most notable critics, on why Obama is a historic success

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Am I damning with faint praise? Not at all. This is what a successful presidency looks like. No president gets to do everything his supporters expected him to. FDR left behind a reformed nation, but one in which the wealthy retained a lot of power and privilege. On the other side, for all his anti-government rhetoric, Reagan left the core institutions of the New Deal and the Great Society in place. I don't care about the fact that Obama hasn't lived up to the golden dreams of 2008, and I care even less about his approval rating. I do care that he has, when all is said and done, achieved a lot. That is, as Joe Biden didn't quite say, a big deal.

The Rest of Paul Krugman's analysis of the Obama Presidency So Far..
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/in-defense-of-obama-20141008

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Why Elizabeth Warren Left The GOP [View all] RiverLover Dec 2014 OP

Very disconcerting that so many fucked up things about the GOP don't seem on her radar at all. bettyellen Dec 2014 #1

I'm sorry you're disconcerted. I am too. RiverLover Dec 2014 #3

But Obama never actually WAS a Republican, while Warren admits that she was. ucrdem Dec 2014 #4

Obama is -being- a republican as our president, he said so. RiverLover Dec 2014 #6

She says elsewhere she thinks there needs to be two parties, & that neither should dominate. ucrdem Dec 2014 #7

Obama was responding to right wing attacks and it was on O'REillly on Fox JI7 Dec 2014 #11

Yes, exactly. ucrdem Dec 2014 #17

He was showing today's Republicans how unreasonable they are BeyondGeography Dec 2014 #128

Nailed it...nt SidDithers Dec 2014 #185

NAILED. IT. Number23 Dec 2014 #188

why wouldn't she want to admit to voting for the Dem candidates for President ? JI7 Dec 2014 #9

She has said cleraly that she was a Republican until her early 40's. By that time she was wealthy Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #13

Liz's sponsored legislation while in office actively shows how Progressive she is, unlike RiverLover Dec 2014 #15

The way she and her supporters wave away all that shitty Republican history is not helpful. Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #39

I hope she's not still anti-choice and anti-gay esp. as a Dem. now. That's unsettling. appalachiablue Dec 2014 #135

If you read her books, you realize that she became a Democrat because she did the research on JDPriestly Dec 2014 #161

I like her and think she has really come to arthritisR_US Dec 2014 #171

How did she get rich from Reaganomics? progressoid Dec 2014 #180

I am sure if you only care about economics, Warren looks good. On paper. bettyellen Dec 2014 #18

People kinda shit when they realize Nixon created the EPA... MADem Dec 2014 #150

Please see my Post #161. JDPriestly Dec 2014 #163

No, President Obama is not being a "republican as our president".. Your post shows you have no Cha Dec 2014 #51

He's said it. Its on video~ RiverLover Dec 2014 #54

So what? He might be on some issues in the 80s.. you're ignoring Krugman's defense of Obama Cha Dec 2014 #61

I don't like that we have a Democrat for President who sounds proud to be moderate Repulican. RiverLover Dec 2014 #65

I don't like that we have a come-lately Dem attacking him from the right. ucrdem Dec 2014 #70

Errrr, that would be attacking from the LEFT. And Obama said he's right of Nixon, so I know its RiverLover Dec 2014 #89

From the right. "Warren: Destroying ISIS should be 'No. 1 priority'" ucrdem Dec 2014 #99

What is so right about saying destroying ISIS should be a No. 1 priority? JDPriestly Dec 2014 #164

LOL! She was in the news long before she criticized Obama's nominee. merrily Dec 2014 #114

And she was GOP long before that. Yes I know. nt ucrdem Dec 2014 #116

You know only because she was honest about it long before she ran for office. Please see Reply 90 merrily Dec 2014 #118

Not entirely honest. See the wiki bio I posted -- the one you said was scrubbed. nt ucrdem Dec 2014 #122

What was dishonest about that quote? If you are going to keep smearing everyone's honesty, merrily Dec 2014 #125

I like what the President has Accomplished and I wish him all the Luck in the world.. you all Cha Dec 2014 #110

Wow. Thanks Cha, ucrdem Dec 2014 #113

"Obama said he would be considered a repub in the 80s"!!!!! OMZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! Cha Dec 2014 #115

I think we can forgive that lapse ucrdem Dec 2014 #120

Are you saying Obama lied on TV or that you have a better grasp of 80s politics than does the POTUS? merrily Dec 2014 #158

thanks for posting a link to the American spectator Doctor_J Dec 2014 #130

It's a quote. And it's an accurate one. MADem Dec 2014 #134

I always wonder where the BOG gets their bizarre world view Doctor_J Dec 2014 #137

What was revealing about it? I'd like to know. MADem Dec 2014 #140

Excellent quote. Shows a lot of political acumen on Warren's part. Thanks. JDPriestly Dec 2014 #165

That's a quote from President Obama, JD. Cha Dec 2014 #166

Then it shows it on Obama's part. Good for him. JDPriestly Dec 2014 #168

There are no moderate republicans today so what are you talking about? still_one Dec 2014 #176

And Elizabeth Warren WAS a Republican in the eighties--what's your point, really? MADem Dec 2014 #132

I recall canvassing and registering voters house-to-house in the McGovern campaign in 1972. JDPriestly Dec 2014 #167

That was very common back then. MADem Dec 2014 #172

He said that he would be considered a moderate republican, not that he WAS a moderate republican... George II Dec 2014 #183

Yes, she never said she voted for Reagan or Bush, but she never said she DIDN't either! George II Dec 2014 #63

And a lot of other politicians never say who they did or did not vote for. Please see Reply 90. merrily Dec 2014 #117

And Michele Bachmann is not only on record voting for Jimmy Carter but campaigning for him! cascadiance Dec 2014 #178

How does 'moral advantage' help poor people? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #28

By helping them keep their homes for example: ucrdem Dec 2014 #31

What does any of that have to do with 'moral advantage'? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #35

You asked, Will it prevent me from being foreclosed upon? ucrdem Dec 2014 #36

No, you showed me how actual legislation following policy would help me not be foreclosed on. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #38

Okay, I'll make it simple. Obama is a Democrat and works toward Democratic goals. ucrdem Dec 2014 #42

Not strictly according to what Obama said, but what did the settlement with the banks show? merrily Dec 2014 #56

There is a lot of story being sold here. zeemike Dec 2014 #94

About here, it's partly our fault. DUs left of the left let themselves and each other be merrily Dec 2014 #100

That's about right. zeemike Dec 2014 #126

If I ever see an opportunity to repay, I will. merrily Dec 2014 #133

Tell me about it. zeemike Dec 2014 #142

Oh, I fall for it--but I edit quickly because I've seen enough posts about the alert plotters. merrily Dec 2014 #146

Oh I have seen that before. zeemike Dec 2014 #148

I love, "But, will you vote for Hillary anyway if she is the nominee? merrily Dec 2014 #149

It's bed time for me too. zeemike Dec 2014 #152

Sorry, I went to bed. Back now. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #174

Some would say Obama has always been a Republican and still is. He said very close to that himself merrily Dec 2014 #30

Some will say just about anything on the internet. nt ucrdem Dec 2014 #32

AS MY PRIOR POST SAID, Obama said as much on TV--and he should know. merrily Dec 2014 #33

And did you take her at her word? ucrdem Dec 2014 #37

About what? Or are you simply trying to change the subject from what Obama said about himself? merrily Dec 2014 #40

You brought up the Muslim remark. Own it. nt ucrdem Dec 2014 #44

I own bringing up HILLARY's Muslim remark. HILLARY owns the Muslim remark. merrily Dec 2014 #47

"Obama says he'd be seen as moderate Republican in 1980s" He said so, not me. I just think he is RiverLover Dec 2014 #49

Apparently, hero worshipping Obama includes pretending he never said what he said on national TV. merrily Dec 2014 #52

yeah, real "hero worship" sticking up for the President who so many are tearing down. You Cha Dec 2014 #60

Sticking up for the President is fine. Pretending he didn't say what he did say is not fine. merrily Dec 2014 #64

The only one pretending is you. I mentioned the FOX show in post #4. nt ucrdem Dec 2014 #67

You had best be very specific or you'll only prove your own self a liar. merrily Dec 2014 #72

President Obama might have been considered a repub in the 80s on some issues.. that doesn't make Cha Dec 2014 #74

He didn't say on some issues, Cha. He said a moderate Republican in the 80's and merrily Dec 2014 #78

No, he didn't say on some issues.. I did. and I'm saying I don't care that Elizabeth Warren use Cha Dec 2014 #88

I don't care that she and Hillary both used to be Republicans (and yes, I know, merrily Dec 2014 #93

People don't have the right to change political parties, goddammit!! Major Hogwash Dec 2014 #103

"President Obama said he would be considered a republican in the 80s"!!!! OMZZZZZZZZ! Cha Dec 2014 #111

"he and Hillary put Reagan, the Republican President of the 1980s, on their respective lists of best Number23 Dec 2014 #189

They're stuck in their parsing of words and making up shite as they go along.. Pres Obama on Cha Dec 2014 #197

Oh please!! you are just parsing the words of Legalequilibrium78 Dec 2014 #92

Nope. Didn't parse at all. I simply said what he said. No distortion whatever. merrily Dec 2014 #104

You're ignoring the context in which he said it treestar Dec 2014 #177

Obama doesn't have to own what he says on the campaign trail, but I have to own a merrily Dec 2014 #82

you mean like when the president goes on Fox and claims to be a republican? Doctor_J Dec 2014 #144

Actually, we don't know how he voted during the years whathehell Dec 2014 #184

We know Obama has been a Democratic office seeker longer than Warren has been a Democrat: ucrdem Dec 2014 #202

By only one year. Think Progress cites her as being a registered whathehell Dec 2014 #204

This message was self-deleted by its author Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #23

Repukes started their war on women way before Lz changed parties... joeybee12 Dec 2014 #5

yep. I do not understand what is so hard to understand about that kind of red flag. bettyellen Dec 2014 #21

Thing is, a lot of candidates raise red flags. You just gotta pick the one you think is the merrily Dec 2014 #53

well, there are flags of all sizes, and that is a pretty huge one. I was younger than her, but bettyellen Dec 2014 #59

Do you support all the worst policies of every candidate for whom you've ever voted? merrily Dec 2014 #90

comparing Obama to Reagan is such complete and total bullshit. thanks for the lulz! bettyellen Dec 2014 #105

Actually, I made no comparison Simply said what Obama said and did. LOLing at truth doesn't change merrily Dec 2014 #108

you make absolutely no distinction between what presidents DO and the BS PR crap they say, and THAT bettyellen Dec 2014 #109

Actually, I watch both what they say and what they do, but thanks again for more info about your own merrily Dec 2014 #112

your focus, again and again, has been on PR bullshit, so as far as serious replies.... bettyellen Dec 2014 #119

As opposed to you fact free ad homs? But why are you waiting after I told you merrily Dec 2014 #123

LOL, okay then. bettyellen Dec 2014 #136

it's hilarious , picking out some politically calculated statement JI7 Dec 2014 #127

Yep, ignoring decades of a person's life and record and focusing on sound bites. bettyellen Dec 2014 #138

Still fact free, I see. No one demanded facts of you, let alone demanded them petulantly. merrily Dec 2014 #162

I did not ignore his life or his record. I just don't think he is lied when he made the comment. merrily Dec 2014 #156

you denied comparing him to Nixon, but then you do, again. Which is it? LOL. bettyellen Dec 2014 #186

Nixon? Gee for your sake, I hope the weather's nice in whatever world you're reading my posts from. merrily Dec 2014 #192

Reagan, Nixon..... what does it matter when it's a load of out of context bullshit? bettyellen Dec 2014 #193

This message was self-deleted by its author merrily Dec 2014 #195

Again, the link to the TV interview is on this this thread. Feel free to transcribe the interview to merrily Dec 2014 #196

When one votes for a candidate for President, one doesn't know IN ADVANCE whether or not.... George II Dec 2014 #179

I don't know Cali_Democrat Dec 2014 #155

What about Hillary's very own "racially tinged" 2008 campaign against Obama? merrily Dec 2014 #159

Indeed Cali_Democrat Dec 2014 #169

From your keyboard to God's monitor. merrily Dec 2014 #170

That is true of more than one Democratic politician. merrily Dec 2014 #41

agreed Skittles Dec 2014 #154

"They loaded up on risk, they crashed the economy, they got bailed out." ucrdem Dec 2014 #2

I don't think she was still voting for them when Obama and Bush agreed on the bail out. merrily Dec 2014 #43

Yeah. Republicans were totally against Wall Street pre-1991. onehandle Dec 2014 #8

Nice pic. You know St Ronnie started out as a Democrat, right? RiverLover Dec 2014 #10

Ronnie did it out of opportunism and that is common among his followers..... Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #14

And Hillary Rodham started out as a Republican working for various GOP groups when she was young. TeamPooka Dec 2014 #95

And someone named Wayne LaPierre. Eleanors38 Dec 2014 #139

Reagan, the guy who made the 10 best POTUS's ever lists of both Hillary and Obama in 2008? merrily Dec 2014 #45

Elizabeth Warren: Democrats vs Republicans | msnbc RiverLover Dec 2014 #12

For Warren fans, I have good and bad news. merrily Dec 2014 #16

Here's what her wiki bio said last week, from a post I never finished: ucrdem Dec 2014 #20

Okay, then the "Find" feature of my browser missed it because I searched seconds before I posted. merrily Dec 2014 #27

FYI, all previous versions of a Wikipedia article are almost always available. Jim Lane Dec 2014 #198

Thank you so much. Good to know. Thanks for taking the time. I'll bookmark. merrily Dec 2014 #199

My pleasure. Please especially let me know if you want any help editing Wikipedia. Jim Lane Dec 2014 #201

Anybody who has read her autobiography would know that. Cleita Dec 2014 #19

Ain't that the truth. Same with my parents. nt RiverLover Dec 2014 #22

Reagan Republicans were not honest nor even decent. Sorry. They were a vicious, ignorant bigoted Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #48

So why was he elected twice? Cleita Dec 2014 #69

$$$- people were stupid and gave him credit for the economic recovery. and I can accept that from bettyellen Dec 2014 #141

Elizabeth Warren: 'Wealth trickles up' RiverLover Dec 2014 #24

I am glad she switched and that she is a fighter for fairness. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #25

Me either. If we hold that persuasion is impossible, then we're doomed. closeupready Dec 2014 #55

Huh?? That's the only thing that bothered her about the GOP?? DCBob Dec 2014 #26

Elizabeth Warren Speaks Out Against The President’s Trans-Pacific “Free Trade” Agreement RiverLover Dec 2014 #29

Because we know Congress would make it soooo much better. ucrdem Dec 2014 #34

Great job, Senator Warren! RufusTFirefly Dec 2014 #46

Amazing isn't it? RiverLover Dec 2014 #50

Some Hillary supporters sure are acting all scared and shit! Spew all you want about she used to be ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #57

Hillary also used to be a Republican too. Cleita Dec 2014 #75

Yea, too many here conveniently forget about that shit and happily call EW out for having been.... ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #79

I didn't know that. And they bash EW? I'm just speechless... RiverLover Dec 2014 #81

Not merely a Republican voter, either. merrily Dec 2014 #131

Elizabeth Warren Comes Down Hard Against Keystone XL Pipeline RiverLover Dec 2014 #58

And Democrats want THIS for their Presidential candidate? ...... George II Dec 2014 #62

Are you referring to Elizabeth Warren as a "this"??? Are you de-humanizing this good woman ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #68

Ah, the ol' "dehumanizing" defense and "anti-woman crap" crap..... George II Dec 2014 #71

How about you use the language a little more effectively so everyone knows what you mean to say? ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #76

Just HOW would you have liked me to word it? Why don't YOU write it for me? George II Dec 2014 #84

Ok, how's this: "And this is the person Democrats want as their presidential candidate?" Answer: ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #91

I took out the anti-woman part of my post because I've decided I don't know you well enough to ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2014 #96

I assume your handle is a British King? eom Cleita Dec 2014 #77

Your assumption is WRONG. Maybe my father was named George and my son is named George??? George II Dec 2014 #85

Thank you ChisholmTrailDem!! They sound as obnoxious as Fox viewers. nt RiverLover Dec 2014 #73

And she switched when she thought the same thing of Democrats as she used to think of Republicans. merrily Dec 2014 #157

It sure took her for a while to see through the Republicans. Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #66

Hillary Clinton vs. Elizabeth Warren: They have less in common than you think RiverLover Dec 2014 #80

+1 progressoid Dec 2014 #182

Warren would make a fine president. alfredo Dec 2014 #83

Indeed. :) nt RiverLover Dec 2014 #86

Ronald Reagan was a Democrat & became the 'Greatest Republican Pres' ever, so Warren can do it too TeamPooka Dec 2014 #87

Absolutely. neverforget Dec 2014 #97

No surprise, but that's exactly my take on it too. RiverLover Dec 2014 #98

Warren obviously had major blind spots that would give many Democratic primary voters pause BeyondGeography Dec 2014 #101

yeah, I don't know how anyone can whitewash supporting republicans of that era.... bettyellen Dec 2014 #107

No one's past sins are going to cover the ones another embraces to this day. TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #145

I'm not saying you do this BeyondGeography Dec 2014 #147

Still not going to cover up Clinton's current positions and agenda on economics, civil liberties, or TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #187

I'm not invested in either candidate and hope Warren runs BeyondGeography Dec 2014 #191

I really like her, just to bad she said she wasnt looking to run in 2016 but maybe she will change cstanleytech Dec 2014 #102

I'll vote for Warren or Clinton in the ge gwheezie Dec 2014 #106

Agree with your post 100%. I respect both women tremendously but apparently thats not Rowdyboy Dec 2014 #121

Lol, I hope he runs too gwheezie Dec 2014 #124

Ladies and gentlemen, can we have a round of applause for the smartest guy in the room? MADem Dec 2014 #153

People change their mind all the time. DemocraticWing Dec 2014 #129

it would matter if we are talking about a run for President JI7 Dec 2014 #143

So it must really bother you that Hillary used to be Republcan too? RiverLover Dec 2014 #173

no matter the reason she left the GOP Terra Alta Dec 2014 #151

Me too. Plus - Hillary is pushing the TPP - NOW - and that is what counts, for me. djean111 Dec 2014 #160

Hillary isn't my first choice, either. Terra Alta Dec 2014 #181

I'll gladly vote for a "former Republican" over a DINO. Scuba Dec 2014 #175

I will gladly do the same.. whathehell Dec 2014 #205

So she didn't care about frazzled Dec 2014 #190

Is it kind of breath taking that some can ignore all of that? bettyellen Dec 2014 #194

Still not voting for Hillary. U4ikLefty Dec 2014 #200

Good! RiverLover Dec 2014 #203