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McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:31 PM Dec 2014

Would You Trust a Democrat Who Voted Republican During the Civil Rights and Nixon Era? [View all]

This is a serious question. A whole lot of folks here are hyping a current Democrat who is on the record as having voted Republican up until the last two decades, because she favored GOP "economic" policies.

For all those quaking on the right at the sight of an ascendant Warren, rest easy. Warren’s no lefty. In fact, Warren was a registered Republican into her 40s. When it comes to ideology, Warren makes for a rotten heir to Kennedy.

I was a Republican because I thought that those were the people who best supported markets. I think that is not true anymore,” Warren says. “I was a Republican at a time when I felt like there was a problem that the markets were under a lot more strain. It worried me whether or not the government played too activist a role.”

Did she vote for Ronald Reagan, who ushered in much of the financial deregulation which Warren has devoted her life to stopping? “I’m not going to talk about who I voted for,” she says.

It wasn’t until later in life, when Warren was 46, that she had her political awakening. At the time, she was serving on a committee recommending changes to the nation’s bankruptcy laws. Until then, Warren says, “I said, ‘No, no, no, not for me on the politics.' ”


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/10/24/elizabeth-warren-i-created-occupy-wall-street.html

Which GOP economic policies did the young Warren think were best for America? The ones that wanted to deny Medicare to the elderly? The ones that wanted to deny Blacks the vote? Or equal access to public accommodations? The ones that wanted to fund right wing coups in other countries (Nixon/Kissinger)? How about wars for oil (Vietnam)? The ones that tried to destroy labor unions? The ones that painted union leaders as "red"? We are are talking about "voting for Republican economic policies" during the LBJ administration and Nixon's administration and (more than likely) Jimmy Carter's and Ronald Reagan's. This is someone who thought that Dick Nixon was good for the well-being of the country. This is someone who could not see what was wrong with Reagan/Bush until the 1990's. That is a very slow learning curve. I don't know about you, but I want someone a little bit quicker on the uptake than that in charge of things. I want someone who understood in her youth that if equal justice is denied to others of different race, religion and ethnicity that a economic injustice is also being done.

Anyone who thinks that you can separate "social" from "economic" is kidding himself. Or herself. Years ago, in 1978 to be precise, a college history teacher announced that he was now an economic conservative though he was still a social liberal. I almost gagged. What he was really saying was "Some of my best friends are Black, but I want all that straight white male privilege that my father and my grandfather had. So, I'll just pretend not to notice that I get more than my fair share, because some other white guy has his boot heel square on the neck of some not so white guy." That kind of crazy "I'm a good person, really I am, but I don't want to waste my money helping other (Black) people's kids" is the kind of messed up thinking that got us Reagan/Bush.

You can not have social justice without economic justice. And you can not have economic justice without social justice. While I admire Sen. Warren's clear sightedness when it comes to the dangers of Wall Street's sleight of hand, there are plenty of right leaning capitalists out there who share her concerns. And they employ women for a fraction of what they pay men and they exploit migrant labor and they try to keep out unions in order to keep wages low and their profits high. That is old style Republican economic values.

Here is my litmus test for president. It's 1972. Who did you vote for? Who did you campaign for? If you say "Nixon, because I liked his economic policies" then there is no way I want you representing me in the White House. Anyone who knew the least little thing about politics knew that Dick Nixon was trouble. Anyone who voted for him anyway has got serious moral flaws---the kind that would allow him or her to say "Hey, the illegal incursion into Cambodia is not so bad. As long as the Stock Market stays solid."

Sen. Warren, will you please tell us what you thought when you watched Dick Nixon tell us about Cambodia? Did you gnash your teeth? Did you swear aloud? Did your heart break? Did you get out there and do something about it? If not, then do not attempt to run as a Democrat for president. Democrats need heart.

Seriously guys, if you really hate Hillary that much, why not attempt to draft Julian Castro? Now there is a Democrat that I could support at the top or the bottom of the ticket---a real Democrat.
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If the only viable alternative is someone who has "merely" behaved like a Republican True Blue Door Dec 2014 #1
Most likely. People change. Thoughts change. Attitudes change. I've even grown softer... BlueJazz Dec 2014 #2
It's a sign of intelligence to change one's mind in the face of evidence tk2kewl Dec 2014 #93
If I could roll the odometer back, I'd vote for a Pete McClosky in a New York minute Brother Buzz Dec 2014 #3
It took him that long even after Reagan? Jim Beard Dec 2014 #25
One would have to be there at the time seveneyes Dec 2014 #4
Do you not think people can grow up and wake up? Warpy Dec 2014 #5
Hillary was a self described "Goldwater Girl." DonCoquixote Dec 2014 #6
When Hillary registered to vote for the first time she DURHAM D Dec 2014 #13
And yet she still described herself DirkGently Dec 2014 #63
Goldwater ran in 1964, Hillary registered to vote in 1968, she voted for Hubert Humphrey in 1968. Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #18
Hillary worked for the Rockefeller campaign at the Repulican National Convention in 1968. ieoeja Dec 2014 #64
When did she change, check it out. Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #72
She still leans to the right. Jim Beard Dec 2014 #26
Hillary goes as far back as the Nixon impeachment. William769 Dec 2014 #39
Does she come across as authentic now? randome Dec 2014 #7
A thousand times YES! She's the real deal to me. BlueCaliDem Dec 2014 #35
You don't know the history... 4139 Dec 2014 #8
There were plenty of Southern Democrats who supported Civil Rights and were liberal csziggy Dec 2014 #15
It was a Southern President that got it done Jim Beard Dec 2014 #27
Yes it was -- but when he signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 into law . . . markpkessinger Dec 2014 #65
That would be somebody Turbineguy Dec 2014 #9
I might treestar Dec 2014 #10
There was a time when there were liberal republicans... gort Dec 2014 #11
Absolutely correct . . . markpkessinger Dec 2014 #68
You know what they say about opinions. Boreal Dec 2014 #12
Sad to say you are right Jim Beard Dec 2014 #28
DU rec... SidDithers Dec 2014 #14
You can't continue voting Republican Jim Beard Dec 2014 #29
... MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #45
It's kind of troubling. moondust Dec 2014 #16
I also voted for McGovern Jim Beard Dec 2014 #31
Hell yes I do if that Dem is Elizabeth Warren. AtomicKitten Dec 2014 #17
If Bill is bad for signing bills which was veto proof then Warren does not get a pass on being Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #20
If they were 'veto proof', then why the Hell did he need to sign them? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #44
Maybe he did not have to sign the bills, now back to Warren still supporting the Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #51
Do not presume to speak for me. AtomicKitten Dec 2014 #52
Hum, did you speak for Bill and Hillary? Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #53
I don't know enough about warren gwheezie Dec 2014 #19
"g" like you Jim Beard Dec 2014 #32
Would you trust a Democrat who voted for a Republican ignited war? Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2014 #21
Bingo! n/t markpkessinger Dec 2014 #71
Its a bit hard to understand. DCBob Dec 2014 #22
And some people hate HRC for supporting Barry Goldwater when she was young. Rex Dec 2014 #23
Some people are down on HRC for hearting Kissinger with BFF status *NOW*. delrem Dec 2014 #62
She voted for Reagan/Bush the second time with 5,000 Americans dead from AIDS and not a word Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #24
Interesting that you never mention Hillary or Kerry who voted MannyGoldstein Dec 2014 #41
You continue to smear Warren without facts to back it up Jim Lane Dec 2014 #85
Show me her record of oppposing the policies of her Party, Nixon through Bush. Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #90
In other words, you got nothin' Jim Lane Dec 2014 #91
The parties were not as polarized during the Civil Rights and Nixon eras. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2014 #30
Yes. In my lifetime, I've never seen anyone be more of a Democrat than this~ RiverLover Dec 2014 #33
Nice try.... 99Forever Dec 2014 #34
How old was Reagan when he stopped voting for Democrats? Crunchy Frog Dec 2014 #36
41-ish, 5 years younger than Warren mathematic Dec 2014 #60
In 1948 he campaigned for Harry Truman, and also for Hubert Humphrey in his first senate race. StevieM Dec 2014 #78
Reagan was a registered Democrat until past his 50th birthday. Jim Lane Dec 2014 #86
I like Warren. I also like Hillary. And I like Obama. I think the party has some great leaders. StevieM Dec 2014 #80
None of this swiftboating of Warren Union Scribe Dec 2014 #37
disruptive tactics are the only kind that matter reddread Dec 2014 #58
+1 BrotherIvan Dec 2014 #75
No more than I'd trust my dad. w8liftinglady Dec 2014 #38
Did she help to suppress unions when she worked at Walmart? krawhitham Dec 2014 #40
I'd like the OP to answer that question, as well. closeupready Dec 2014 #98
I don't 'trust' any politician. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #42
Think about the standard you're setting here, Obama has said nicer things about Republicans CreekDog Dec 2014 #43
his voting record, however, is clear. ecstatic Dec 2014 #47
that's a pretty foolish way to choose a nominee CreekDog Dec 2014 #48
that's not what I was suggesting and ecstatic Dec 2014 #57
Compliments and voting are two very very different things. DCBob Dec 2014 #49
interesting points that must be addressed ecstatic Dec 2014 #46
Yup. Iggo Dec 2014 #50
I like how you cast preferring someone over clinton is "hating" clinton Scootaloo Dec 2014 #54
Far less vexing than a candidate that supports corporate dominance, "free trade", and TheKentuckian Dec 2014 #55
Ofcourse back then you had Republicans like.. KinMd Dec 2014 #56
What matters is current beliefs. JEFF9K Dec 2014 #59
As opposed to someone who's a hawkish corporatist now? marmar Dec 2014 #61
If that person is Senator Warren I will madokie Dec 2014 #66
But Hillary talks and acts like a republican NOW. Do you see the difference? Doctor_J Dec 2014 #67
Please see my post at #68 markpkessinger Dec 2014 #69
Do I trust a Democrat who voted for the Iraq War Resolution, Maedhros Dec 2014 #70
that very thing has been demanded already SwampG8r Dec 2014 #73
I think Sen. Warren needs to prove herself ucrdem Dec 2014 #74
Would you trust a 50 year old who had never changed her/his mind? elleng Dec 2014 #76
Good question. Rigidity in thinking is just as dangerous riversedge Dec 2014 #82
I was a republican before I was in independent before I was a Democrat oldandhappy Dec 2014 #77
And if I ask you about how and why you changed, do you get insulted and defensive? Bluenorthwest Dec 2014 #92
Yes, because just a few short years ago I was a libertarian Ykcutnek Dec 2014 #79
The GOP was a lot more liberal back in the 60s and 70s Wella Dec 2014 #81
love love LOVE your assessment of a "economic conservative" Skittles Dec 2014 #83
If Hillary is the presidential candidate I will vote for Julian Castro then. Katashi_itto Dec 2014 #84
We trusted a former Klansman One_Life_To_Give Dec 2014 #87
What former president are you talking about? I can't think of one who was in the Klan, unless you StevieM Dec 2014 #94
I believe the reference is to Sen. Robert Byrd (KKK-WV). KamaAina Dec 2014 #97
Yes, I would. Now I have a question for you... Jim Lane Dec 2014 #88
It is a question she will have to answer more fully, imo. yellowcanine Dec 2014 #89
A whole lot of other folks here are hyping a current Democrat who is on the record as KamaAina Dec 2014 #95
And remember, as hard as it seems to believe today, KamaAina Dec 2014 #96
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