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117. She may not turn any red states blue

Reply to Ken Burch (Reply #71)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 09:32 PM

Dec 2014

but (likely) not for those reasons IMHO

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If HRC is nominated WITHOUT a primary challenge: [View all] Ken Burch Dec 2014 OP

When was the last time a non-incumbent was nominated without a primary challenge? BainsBane Dec 2014 #1

gore 2000? bush 1988? unblock Dec 2014 #34

Gore had a challenge. Bill Bradley. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #41

yeah, but it was really no contest. unblock Dec 2014 #152

Actually that was considered contested until the voting happened. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #153

which is to say the media did its usual job of overselling the drama. unblock Dec 2014 #155

Well yes to an extent. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #156

Eh...and if they didn't wouldn't people be complaining about a coronation? N/T Chathamization Dec 2014 #193

we've had virtual coronations before. people only complain when the media gets it wrong unblock Jan 2015 #200

Bush in '88 ran against Dole, Kemp, and several "regulars" (including Harold Stassen!) George II Dec 2014 #99

more interesting than the democratic primary in 2000, but still no real contest. unblock Dec 2014 #154

Bernie. Someone who stands for the poor and working class. Autumn Dec 2014 #2

He has not changed parties yet. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2014 #7

Not yet, but he's the one speaking out for those who most need a voice to speak for them. Autumn Dec 2014 #17

Unless he changes parties he can not run in a Democratic Primary Agnosticsherbet Dec 2014 #116

I'd rather vote for a true progressive first Just for Fun Dec 2014 #122

If Hillary Clinton runs against Bush or Paul or any other Republican, Agnosticsherbet Dec 2014 #126

ANY Dem can beat those guys. Ken Burch Dec 2014 #142

He'll personally let you know in March.. Just for Fun Dec 2014 #22

First Ink Man Dec 2014 #58

Give Bernie a chance. Just for Fun Dec 2014 #60

Well then your advocating another party and thats not what this site is about... Historic NY Dec 2014 #132

I am advocating for a TRUE Democratic Party. Just for Fun Dec 2014 #137

What??? "Today's Democratic Party is the Republican Party of the 1980s??" MADem Dec 2014 #143

HRC herself can't turn any red states blue. Ken Burch Dec 2014 #71

She may not turn any red states blue Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2014 #117

He doesn't need to turn red states blue. PeteSelman Dec 2014 #164

Has the 2016 Democratic primary been cancelled? Cali_Democrat Dec 2014 #3

Not cancelled, but the point of all the anti-Elizabeth Warren and anti-Bernie posters Ken Burch Dec 2014 #4

What did we get last time? n2doc Dec 2014 #8

Hmmm...would you say there are more pro-Warren prosters... Cali_Democrat Dec 2014 #12

HRC posters votes. Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #108

LOL. nt Cali_Democrat Dec 2014 #118

Care to point out an "anti-Elizabeth Warren" post that ISN'T "she's not running"? brooklynite Dec 2014 #23

Several posts have squawked that she used to be a registered Republican. Jim Lane Dec 2014 #67

Did you know HRC is rated in the same spot of EW? Guess since it is a left Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #119

I know that one misleading graph, posted here about a dozen times, alleged that. Jim Lane Dec 2014 #140

The records speaks for a lot. Hillary was pushing for Civil Rights in her college days, it did not Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #147

Hillary's record has things to like and things to dislike. Jim Lane Dec 2014 #174

No candidate has emerged with a better record than HRC, there are new and upcoming Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #175

Experience doesn't trump. Jim Lane Dec 2014 #176

If experience doesn't matter why would you bring up McCain's experience? Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #179

My point is that I voted for Obama, the less experienced candidate, and don't regret it. Jim Lane Dec 2014 #184

The post you linked to was by a Bernie Sanders supporter. MADem Dec 2014 #139

It's "an 'anti-Elizabeth Warren' post", which is what brooklynite asked about Jim Lane Dec 2014 #141

What was "anti" about it? MADem Dec 2014 #145

It was "anti" to assert, falsely, that she "supported racist, anti gay, anti choice policies" Jim Lane Dec 2014 #173

Why are you saying that the assertion was false? She voted for a candidate and she surely knew the MADem Dec 2014 #177

You make two unsupportable assumptions. Jim Lane Dec 2014 #178

She said she was a Republican-she preferred the GOP because they better supported markets. MADem Dec 2014 #182

Ah, but what's Clinton's position on dogs on Amtrak trains? America wants to know! Jim Lane Dec 2014 #186

I don't know--she wasn't a Senator when that legislation was introduced in the House. I'll bet she MADem Dec 2014 #191

I was referring to Droney, not Peabody Jim Lane Dec 2014 #192

Droney was a DA--of course he was running on his record as Middlesex County's Top Prosecutor. MADem Dec 2014 #195

Not at all. This is a forum to discuss, and or argue about issues and hypotheticals. There are still_one Dec 2014 #42

I don't condone blue-collar votes for Reagan. Ken Burch Dec 2014 #57

I thought it was Carter and his deregulation of the airlines. However, since still_one Dec 2014 #100

Carter's belief that low inflation was more important than full employment didn't help, either. Ken Burch Dec 2014 #103

Gee. I agree still_one Dec 2014 #104

hillary is less popular on du so if you go by what is on du JI7 Dec 2014 #52

I don't think she is popular with primary voters Mnpaul Dec 2014 #85

They split the popular vote. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #87

but not the delegate count Mnpaul Dec 2014 #91

That is true and thst is why he won but in actual voters they did split the vote. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #93

HRC ONLY had the nominal popular vote plurality Ken Burch Dec 2014 #124

I saw that in the wiki Mnpaul Dec 2014 #146

Both MI and FL delegates were seated. joshcryer Dec 2014 #157

You can't achieve presidential greatness as a centrist militarist who defers to Wall Street Ken Burch Dec 2014 #158

She's already to the left of Bill. joshcryer Dec 2014 #159

"all the anti-Elizabeth Warren and anti-Bernie posters" misterhighwasted Dec 2014 #95

I know that isn't true for me loyalsister Dec 2014 #162

Fuckin' hey, Ken Burch! Tell it! NYC_SKP Dec 2014 #5

nobody ever says this except for LLI's VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #6

People who are talking about the Democratic primaries are not LLI's Ken Burch Dec 2014 #20

+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast Dec 2014 #40

Funny how that poster denies and reinforces your point in the same post! beerandjesus Dec 2014 #50

wtf pack are they talking about? AtomicKitten Dec 2014 #61

+1000! n/t ColesCountyDem Dec 2014 #66

if you cannot support our decision in the Primary VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #84

AFAIK, You NEVER called Reagan Democrats, (and I doubt you ever called Democrats for Nixon) Ken Burch Dec 2014 #94

+1 - exactly my thoughts. Just for Fun Dec 2014 #127

So Regan Democrats are going to vote for Bush? Old and In the Way Dec 2014 #131

The point is, they were far more disloyal to the party than anybody on the progressive left. Ken Burch Dec 2014 #144

so, swing voters are a myth? reddread Dec 2014 #168

if you cannot pledge to accept who we pick in the Primaty....even if it is HRC VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #196

Still doesn't change who she is.. n/t Dawgs Dec 2014 #21

LLI? FSogol Dec 2014 #25

It's Vanilla's code for "anyone who doesn't back HRC ISN'T a Democrat". Ken Burch Dec 2014 #29

Thanks for clarifying that davidpdx Dec 2014 #163

so wrong on so many counts VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #197

Left leaning independents. Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2014 #36

Thanks. n/t FSogol Dec 2014 #75

As opposed to RLD's NorthCarolina Dec 2014 #96

No, as opposed to Democrats. n/t Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2014 #187

As opposed, of course, to the PUMA ("Party Unity My Ass") folks, who Buns_of_Fire Dec 2014 #115

LOL! Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2014 #188

Decades of name recognition don't add up to good ideas. arcane1 Dec 2014 #33

Like 2008??? nt Logical Dec 2014 #48

People who don't want HRC are just as much Democrats as people who do. Ken Burch Dec 2014 #74

Lol! I won't for her regardless. Katashi_itto Dec 2014 #194

Who here is demanding that HRC be nominated without a primary challenge ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #9

I would like to know who they are referring also. I see you did not get an answer and iI dont know Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #45

When your main intent is to be inflammatory and divisive, setting up straw men KittyWampus Dec 2014 #77

There are a decent number of people who will reflexively attack jeff47 Dec 2014 #79

Yeah, okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #89

I feel there will be several Democrats who run for the nomination in 2016 bigwillq Dec 2014 #10

I think it is important that all of them run, even if I support Warren at this point... cascadiance Dec 2014 #30

I think Hillary and Sanders, but not Warren. Also think Biden, Webb, and maybe Jack Reed. I think still_one Dec 2014 #44

I'd love to see a post demanding there be no primary LanternWaste Dec 2014 #11

maybe it's a complacent "why would Hillary have rivals?" and everyone's arguing about inflection? MisterP Dec 2014 #56

I haven't seen anyone demand there be no primary here. n/t. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #13

How about a link to the demands. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2014 #14

That's the only reason to post "HRC's way ahead in the polls" threads. Ken Burch Dec 2014 #27

Hey! I post Hillary is ahead polls and that does not mean I want no primary. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #32

Except that Jeff Rosenzweig Dec 2014 #54

I would vote for brown gwheezie Dec 2014 #62

That's good to hear. Jeff Rosenzweig Dec 2014 #64

Brown would be good, too. Ken Burch Dec 2014 #70

Outstanding questions. OilemFirchen Dec 2014 #97

If the polls say she is in the lead, that is called news. People are allowed to post news Agnosticsherbet Dec 2014 #109

Call outs are an excellent way to get a post hidden. jeff47 Dec 2014 #82

Says you. MADem Dec 2014 #15

The Supreme Court isn't worth being bland centrist or right-of-center on more than half the issues. Ken Burch Dec 2014 #24

Right! Much better to have it bland centrist NONE of the time... brooklynite Dec 2014 #39

You're assuming we can't WIN on principles...that we can't win the argument Ken Burch Dec 2014 #59

Says you! MADem Dec 2014 #76

It can't outweigh NAFTA, the '96 welfare bill. Glass-Steagall repeal and more executions Ken Burch Dec 2014 #81

Says you! MADem Dec 2014 #120

Nobody wants a Jeb Bush presidency. Ken Burch Dec 2014 #125

The Democrat who will win is the Democrat with the ground game. MADem Dec 2014 #134

So if the "Democrat with the ground game" isn't one that is standing up for SomethingFishy Dec 2014 #189

The Supreme Court will be at the forefront of our lives in the years to come, and the person MADem Dec 2014 #190

While there is a smattering of support for Sanders and Warren tiredtoo Dec 2014 #16

It's because money determines elections that elections don't really matter FiveGoodMen Dec 2014 #80

For sure EOM tiredtoo Dec 2014 #92

That's not actually a reminder alcibiades_mystery Dec 2014 #18

Hahaha...I love that movie. nt Cali_Democrat Dec 2014 #38

UNREC brooklynite Dec 2014 #19

Who has demanded that HRC be nominated WITHOUT a primary challenge? zappaman Dec 2014 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author LordGlenconner Dec 2014 #49

I'm amazed he's still in one piece. NanceGreggs Dec 2014 #69

Call outs are an excellent way to get a post hidden jeff47 Dec 2014 #83

Bullshit. zappaman Dec 2014 #86

A link is a callout. jeff47 Dec 2014 #130

Couldn't find the links, eh? zappaman Dec 2014 #136

No it isn't. There's no TOS rule against linking to another thread on DU to back up an assertion. MADem Dec 2014 #148

There's no rule against linking to other posts on DU. MineralMan Dec 2014 #185

That's just not true. The TOS talks about people supporting whosoever they choose in the primaries MADem Dec 2014 #150

And if hillary wins the nomination will you vote for her? hrmjustin Dec 2014 #28

Well yeah...but that's not the point. Ken Burch Dec 2014 #31

No you don't have to promise anything. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #35

and so will most of us vote for whoever is the Democratic nominee. Hillary will not be the only still_one Dec 2014 #47

Progressives on DU are demanding a cancellation of Dem Primaries? Sheepshank Dec 2014 #37

Not progressives...but then progressives don't want HRC as nominee. n/t. Ken Burch Dec 2014 #63

"(P)rogressives don't want HRC as nominee." OilemFirchen Dec 2014 #102

I post Hillary is leading polls in the Hillary room. Why do you insult me by saying i am trying hrmjustin Dec 2014 #105

Because you decided to throw out anyone who isn't for Hillary Just for Fun Dec 2014 #133

You knew what you were doing. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #135

Is the Photography group an "echo chamber" too? Sheepshank Dec 2014 #169

these forums dont throw you out if you criticize them Just for Fun Dec 2014 #171

You are aware you agreed to the rules of this site? hrmjustin Dec 2014 #172

TOS.....if they can ban, and they enforce the TOS, they will Sheepshank Dec 2014 #180

I admit I don't read every post here tammywammy Dec 2014 #43

I voted for hillary I will vote for her again gwheezie Dec 2014 #46

nobody wants to put in the work to help another candidate JI7 Dec 2014 #51

Dems need a Primary for 16 lobodons Dec 2014 #53

The part in brackets in your title sadoldgirl Dec 2014 #55

K & R Thespian2 Dec 2014 #65

If we show enough support for Bernie Sanders we won't have this problem. Dustlawyer Dec 2014 #68

Yes Hillary, step aside please so we can run a MyNameGoesHere Dec 2014 #72

candidate that wont run to wars we cant win reddread Dec 2014 #110

Yes Hillary will start more wars than MyNameGoesHere Dec 2014 #129

Libya, Syria, Iran she is bloodthirsty reddread Dec 2014 #165

If history has taught me anything MyNameGoesHere Dec 2014 #183

I haven't seen ANY DU'er "demand" Clinton be nominated w/o challenge. KittyWampus Dec 2014 #73

Since Rush wanted HC to get the nomination in 08.... Omaha Steve Dec 2014 #78

He thought she was easier to beat and that a nomination fight would hurt Obama. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2014 #111

You just made my point Omaha Steve Dec 2014 #113

I won't vote for a Conservative and thats that PatrynXX Dec 2014 #88

The Powers That Be have already decided it's Bush/Clinton in 2016 NightWatcher Dec 2014 #90

Center??? hay rick Dec 2014 #106

Who's demanded that? frazzled Dec 2014 #98

I'd be fine with her running Ken Burch Dec 2014 #101

throw your hat in the ring nt arely staircase Dec 2014 #107

I just read through the replies and still have not seen evidence of anyone saying there should not Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #112

"If HRC is nominated WITHOUT a primary challenge?"....HELLO Third Party! RiverLover Dec 2014 #114

Did not say that. Ken Burch Dec 2014 #123

I know! Preachin to the choir. Repug, Fake Dem, Conservadem, "centrist", all the same. RiverLover Dec 2014 #128

I think HRC is betting on Wall Street favoring her over Bush The Fatter Doctor_J Dec 2014 #121

When you hear the name of the Republican nominee customerserviceguy Dec 2014 #138

If HRC effectively gets a pass like Bill got a pass in 96 ucrdem Dec 2014 #149

If a monkey flies out of my ass WITHOUT causing me pain rufus dog Dec 2014 #151

We're all supposed to be thrilled to have Hillary! Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #160

Here is my question, if Hilary is the nominee, then you all akbacchus_BC Dec 2014 #161

are you worried about liberals voting? reddread Dec 2014 #166

OK, you're entitled to an opinion rock Dec 2014 #167

If so it would be a spoof of a democratically mylye2222 Dec 2014 #170

And why would you think that will happen? MineralMan Dec 2014 #181

Or it could simply mean that other possible challengers have decided pnwmom Jan 2015 #198

I know some people would like to skip the primaries entirely Warren DeMontague Jan 2015 #199

Don't remember a primary in my lifetime without a challenger. NCTraveler Jan 2015 #201