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VanillaRhapsody

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216. Independent means "not dependable" and thats a fact!

Wed Dec 31, 2014, 05:52 PM

Dec 2014

its about supporting OUR decision...decided by a Democratic Primary election...that is how Democracy works. What do you have against Democracy?

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Let’s abandon the Democrats: Stop blaming Fox News and stop hoping Elizabeth Warren will save us [View all] Autumn Dec 2014 OP

We already did. It gave us the election upaloopa Dec 2014 #1

Did you read the article? Autumn Dec 2014 #3

Sure the way to avoid what happened upaloopa Dec 2014 #15

If the Democrats don't run Liberal candidates, then Liberals won't vote Democratic. Maedhros Dec 2014 #30

They have a cognitive disconnect. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #31

You don't offer any ideas of how that is going upaloopa Dec 2014 #86

How is it going to happen? Maedhros Dec 2014 #99

I think we have a victim mentality which upaloopa Dec 2014 #106

I think you, and those who push your ideas, have a defeatist mentality. Maedhros Dec 2014 #108

Bernie is not one....still not a Democrat... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #110

Bernie is actually what Democrats should be like. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2014 #163

and still not one...if he is such a perfect hero why does he need our party at all?j VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #217

Nobody is perfect, and you have it wrong. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2014 #225

then why doeshe need to be a Democrat to win? hmmmmmm? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #231

Party myopia I guess. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2015 #233

whateverthefuck that means VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #247

Think harder then. It's not a very complex thing to understand...for most. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2015 #248

or some think being unnecessarily cryptic makes them VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #249

Like I wrote. Try to think harder. It'll come to you if you have an open mind. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2015 #250

like I said whateverthefuck VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #251

"I am not going to go out of my way to decypher your insults..." R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2015 #252

whats to handle? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #254

I mentioned that I answered you upthread. No mystery there. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2015 #256

Hey! While we're disagreeing over there The Shredder Jan 2015 #266

what is wrong with you? "where are they going to come from?" wtf? the party could find NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #142

Them? upaloopa Dec 2014 #161

Of course it will affect me. I can't even find out where the local Democratic party MEETS, let NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #162

Don't they have a website? JDPriestly Jan 2015 #257

the victim mentality is with the party. "if they (the voters) don't give us what we want we'll just NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #144

The candidates are who the DCCC and DSCC want them to be. merrily Dec 2014 #170

False. Phlem Dec 2014 #200

Well did you think life was a bed of roses upaloopa Dec 2014 #205

The real world is one in which we vote for democrats & things will get worse. Good to know. NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #207

Things do not remain the same. I believe if upaloopa Dec 2014 #208

Now you're saying something different than you were. NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #220

I have PTSD from early childhood abuse. Phlem Dec 2014 #211

Why do you hate centrist Democratic virtues??!! R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2014 #160

It's also how Democrats run and what they deliver or fail to deliver if elected. merrily Dec 2014 #168

I have watched this happen since I voted for JFK. Why do we always have to learn the jwirr Dec 2014 #186

I don't "stay home" on election day. Maedhros Dec 2014 #213

Fine I hear you but do you hear me? There are people who need the protection of those safety net jwirr Dec 2014 #219

I do hear you. Maedhros Dec 2014 #224

It's a slow frog march to the right. Phlem Jan 2015 #230

Then maybe Duers who are saying they will not vote should find a way to assure the people who jwirr Jan 2015 #234

All-righty then Phlem Jan 2015 #242

Hell no I am not the only one and I am damned glad of that but you just watch what happens jwirr Jan 2015 #243

OMG Phlem Jan 2015 #244

You are right. If our current Democrats were winning elections and protecting the safety JDPriestly Jan 2015 #258

So we shouldn't give up and we shouldn't run liberal candidates... SomethingFishy Dec 2014 #38

who have we run that is NOT a Liberal? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #111

When we won in 2006 and 2008, it was with Liberal and non-Liberal candidates... brooklynite Dec 2014 #70

The democratic party could have put up anyone and would still have won. Democrats and a lot Autumn Dec 2014 #80

and I happen to know Republican women who WILL vote for Hillary Clinton. ....yet you still oppose he VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #113

The fact that republicans will vote for Clinton is part of the democrats problem. CrispyQ Dec 2014 #127

they will vote for her BECAUSE she is a woman.....duh! VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #129

Question... GummyBearz Dec 2014 #141

+100. NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #146

No fair. You're using logic. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2014 #166

did I say all Republican women? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #218

Those who would be likely to vote for Hillary because she is a woman will be even more likely JDPriestly Jan 2015 #259

Bingo! nt RiverLover Dec 2014 #130

not Bingo because that is NOT what I said.....I didn't once say they support her politics... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #132

palin palin palin she's a woman too, did you vote for her? NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #147

and I didn't say ALL republican women....I said I know SOME! VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #131

HRC Ink Man Dec 2014 #197

They didn't win in 2008 AtomicKitten Dec 2014 #209

Oh boy Ink Man Dec 2014 #210

"slipped my mind" AtomicKitten Dec 2014 #212

And I happen to know Democratic women who WON'T vote for her Autumn Dec 2014 #135

then they are no longer Democrats....just like those R women will no longer be Republicans VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #137

Ya know Autumn Dec 2014 #138

No its not....its elementary my dear! VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #140

oh bull. NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #148

Independent means "not dependable" and thats a fact! VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #216

Voting for a democrat doesn't make one a democrat, nor does voting for a republican make one a NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #221

Exactly. merrily Dec 2014 #173

Who ran on change from George Bush, among other things. merrily Dec 2014 #171

How about let's figure out finally why voters will no longer accept Republican Lite candidates sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #59

You are so right... People voted FOR many liberal candidates and issues they believed in... cascadiance Dec 2014 #75

What candidate are you planning to run which has not or will not accept corporate Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #81

I want a candidate that "won't accept funds for government influence"... cascadiance Dec 2014 #83

I do not see this happening in tge coming few years. DNC is in the minority on Congress Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #90

It won't happen as long as we continue to elect compromised candidates that do "pay to play"... cascadiance Dec 2014 #93

Did you realize the Democrats are in the minority in both the House and Senate? Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #94

I do! And do you realize that this is why money needs to be taken out of politics? cascadiance Dec 2014 #98

Warren also took campaign funds from corporations, she understands campaigns needs big bucks Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #101

I think I've said multiple times I GET that just about all politicians take money... cascadiance Dec 2014 #102

I think it is more than corporate sympathic Democrats, the votes are not there, we have to change Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #103

At least speaking against money in politics is a first step... cascadiance Dec 2014 #104

Please see my reply 172 to Thinking About's claim that Warren merrily Dec 2014 #174

You are mistaken. merrily Dec 2014 #172

Are you calling Warren a liar? She admitted she had donors from Wall Street. Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #176

Are you calling opensecrets.com a liar? merrily Dec 2014 #177

Go back and add up the amounts opensecrets.com listed, does it add up to Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #180

Show me where her biggest donors were corporations and you may have a point. merrily Dec 2014 #181

Maybe you could find out from opensecrets.com, they apparently missed lots Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #182

You're going in circles. I have already replied to everything in your merrily Dec 2014 #187

AmericanCrossroads? Karl Rove? Wow. RiverLover Dec 2014 #190

Then believe what she says, she said she has Wall Street donors and she spent Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #199

Other than American Crossroads, do you have another source? RiverLover Dec 2014 #201

The information opensecrets.com perhaps gave correct information but they did Thinkingabout Dec 2014 #204

who would THAT be? Anyone YOU don't like.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #123

Incredibly wrong. Scuba Dec 2014 #69

The way Democratic politicians governed and campaigned gave us merrily Dec 2014 #167

Is this an original writing, or a segment of another piece? 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #2

I forgot the link but I have edited the OP to add it Autumn Dec 2014 #5

Thanks. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #7

you do know this is DemocratcUnderground.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #4

You are aware that it is a discussion board. Right? Autumn Dec 2014 #6

you are aware there is this thing called the Internet VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #8

You have no interest in discussion, so there is Autumn Dec 2014 #9

no I have no interest in discussing Democrats VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #11

Weak. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2014 #169

Autumn, she and the rest of her fellow Clintonites are pulling their own purity test davidpdx Dec 2014 #228

They can play their games. But they are right, I am no longer a Democrat. Autumn Jan 2015 #235

Whaaa?? RiverLover Jan 2015 #239

No I'm not joking. I went with unaffiliated Autumn Jan 2015 #240

Well there's plenty of time for you to cool off and change it back to help us RiverLover Jan 2015 #241

I think by early summer we'll have a good idea how the field is going to shape davidpdx Jan 2015 #253

well, bye bye WhiteTara Jan 2015 #255

well, bye bye to you too. Autumn Jan 2015 #261

If you read - or understood - the entire article, this is about why the Democrats lost djean111 Dec 2014 #12

no it isn't VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #14

Well, then, you disagree with the article. Noted! But - others of us will be reading it djean111 Dec 2014 #18

only those that want to see Republicans VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #21

VR, they don't get it, they'll never get it, and there's not a sliver of difference between BlueCaliDem Dec 2014 #67

+ Infinity VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #74

because the main reason the republicans have power today is that the democrats have been just NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #152

I'm no left leaning independent but a 3rd gen Dem. I think the post has a lot of value. appalachiablue Dec 2014 #84

so you will vote for HRC if she wins the nomination? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #85

If HRC is the nominee I will vote for her absolutely. No no way for Jeb, Rand Paul et al. appalachiablue Dec 2014 #89

gee that's really nice she was delightful. Because that is what we want in a president. nt ellenrr Dec 2014 #114

apparently it IS VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #117

I described her behavior at social event that's all. Voting is a different matter, when the brain appalachiablue Dec 2014 #124

Yes I will vote for her if she is the nominee. appalachiablue Dec 2014 #126

then you are not LLI! VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #133

Ok. appalachiablue Dec 2014 #150

proof please.. VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #109

baloney.....we lost because WE DON'T show up in the midterms....this is nothing new VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #115

Maybe YOU did not show up, but I did. At least, this time, you did not blame the "LLI"s....... djean111 Dec 2014 #125

Yes I did.....but this is a collective not just about you....we are called a "Party" for a reason... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #128

I am saying that I would not vote for a GOP woman no matter who she is. djean111 Dec 2014 #149

What are you suggesting? Caretha Dec 2014 #100

its not about THEM.....its about supporting US.....we are a collective...we elect candidates.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #134

Perhaps we should change it to DemocraticPartyUnderground... kentuck Dec 2014 #48

And it's NOT 3rd way underground - TBF Dec 2014 #73

the real Democrats here don't... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #77

What is "LLI"? TBF Dec 2014 #95

Left Leaning Independent... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #120

"the real democrats" lol NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #153

Whining again about a "discussion"??? nt Logical Dec 2014 #159

Any party that loses the ability to process constructive criticism... Man from Pickens Jan 2015 #260

Yeah, because ceding the field to the Repubs would be good for the country? Really? riqster Dec 2014 #10

Actually, that's pretty much what the author of the piece calls for. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2014 #13

so now we are to discuss taking over the Republican Party? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #17

Obama was right. We are the change we need but the Democratic party Autumn Dec 2014 #20

not for Hillary Clinton.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #22

Supporting "Party" over "Policy" is how the Corporatists seized control of OUR party. Vincardog Dec 2014 #76

bullsit its about supporting your fellow Democrats VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #78

Bullshit it is about holding elected officials accountable to the people who voted for the. Vincardog Dec 2014 #79

When you reward bad behavior one thing happens, Autumn Dec 2014 #92

and they are not? Please do go on....love to hear this one! VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #118

Please inform me, if we elect someone and they act against our interests Why should Vincardog Jan 2015 #229

who are you saying did this? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #232

I think it is time for you to elaborate why it is better to support Party over Policy. Vincardog Jan 2015 #245

because WE are the Party and I trust us.. VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #246

There is that snark. Give me a reason to support "democrats" who voted to guarantee all the Vincardog Jan 2015 #262

not at all snark... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #263

Ok you aren't willing to offer anything except DS Talking points and refuse every request Vincardog Jan 2015 #264

what talking points would that be? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #265

my fellow democrats don't support me; and as you concede, they select whom they like, without NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #154

you are 100% correct, but I do not expect the stoners in this thread to ever see that. nt ellenrr Dec 2014 #116

Agreed. We MUST get involved earlier in the process. riqster Dec 2014 #23

curious: how many people here have anything to do with picking candidates? nt ellenrr Dec 2014 #119

there are no polls? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #121

And other races? riqster Dec 2014 #145

sure nilla NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #184

of course Deal! VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #214

For state and local races, we can have an impact. riqster Dec 2014 #143

lol. the rank & file doesn't pick candidates. NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #155

For some months now, it's been the fashion on DU to pretend we do. merrily Dec 2014 #183

the rank and file support HRC by 63%! VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #215

They may 'support' her in a poll, but they didn't pick her as a candidate. That was rigged, as it NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #222

The Kochs conceived and funded the Teabaggers and still fund them. merrily Dec 2014 #175

But that would take more than criticizing the field ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #19

some must believe elections are run with pixie dust... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #24

If we can get involved in primary candidate selection, we can move the needle. riqster Dec 2014 #25

But that's not the OP's "abandon electoral politics" prescription. 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #26

Thanks, 1SBM. Here's wishing you and yours a great 2015. riqster Dec 2014 #32

In one sense it is hfojvt Dec 2014 #63

Totally agree. I moved to Ohio just after the last Primary. Chris Redfern was so bad RiverLover Dec 2014 #27

That bastard fucker of syphillitic, scrofulus ocelots totally screwed the state. riqster Dec 2014 #35

If we can't move that needle then we will never have social progress Autumn Dec 2014 #28

I would change only one word from your post: riqster Dec 2014 #40

Yes we can build on it. Because it's OUR Democratic party Autumn Dec 2014 #45

... 840high Dec 2014 #49

+1 riqster Dec 2014 #53

The people did not move FDR to do things that had never merrily Dec 2014 #185

That sounds pretty easy, sadoldgirl Dec 2014 #50

Quite true. But when second prize is a hellish Randian dystopic existence, riqster Dec 2014 #54

The Kochs conceived and funded the teabaggers. The teabaggers were not out there merrily Dec 2014 #179

So the crux of the OP ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #16

10 years? Tea Party managed to do it in less then an election cycle... Exultant Democracy Dec 2014 #157

money has always been a good insulator from "being treated like crap". NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #158

It's all relative ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #164

I don't believe oprah is treated like crap. NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #165

As I've said, it's all relative ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #195

Thanks. Interesting. elleng Dec 2014 #29

In re your guess. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #33

Not my guess, that of the author Bill Curry. elleng Dec 2014 #42

I hate to sound 'old fogeyish', but I think we need to 'go back'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #47

I have not problem, if your thoughts are 'old fogeyish,' elleng Dec 2014 #52

To put it another way and bluntly, this makes me think of what Redskins John Riggins used to say: appalachiablue Dec 2014 #87

and 'Loosen Up, Sandy' elleng Dec 2014 #88

Hilarious, memorable and only he could pull it off. Friends saw him at Nathan's twice on appalachiablue Dec 2014 #91

This message was self-deleted by its author sakabatou Dec 2014 #34

Why should the thread be closed? It's within the SOP for GD Autumn Dec 2014 #37

For NO reason, as you say. elleng Dec 2014 #44

This message was self-deleted by its author sakabatou Dec 2014 #66

Is Salon not an acceptable source on DU these days? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #39

Hmm, I wonder. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #36

Seriously you should rethink ignore. Autumn Dec 2014 #41

Agreed. I have nobody on ignore. DU is more interesting this way. riqster Dec 2014 #43

So do I, I stay on top of that jury black list Autumn Dec 2014 #71

Just so. riqster Dec 2014 #72

They both have their virtues. merrily Dec 2014 #191

Mostly the VR troll /nt Dragonfli Dec 2014 #57

Calling me a troll? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #122

Well you do know Bobbie Jo Dec 2014 #136

ooooooh I am deemed unacceptable by the Left Leaning Independents! VanillaRhapsody Dec 2014 #139

troll PowerToThePeople Dec 2014 #151

This. From the OP~ RiverLover Dec 2014 #46

That is why voters stay home. People who lean Democratic are not stupid and they know Autumn Dec 2014 #51

Kick...nt SidDithers Dec 2014 #55

is this an excuse not to support somEone other than hillary clinton JI7 Dec 2014 #56

The article is very clear. Autumn Dec 2014 #61

No one needs an "excuse" for a primary vote. merrily Dec 2014 #188

Here's the thing... Blanks Dec 2014 #58

"Not as bad" is a piss poor way of campaigning and a piss poor way of governing. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2014 #60

And if the democrats don't turn it around the result in 2016 Autumn Dec 2014 #62

I have little hope of that seeing as how candidates are determined by Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2014 #65

FDR: At least I'm not as bad as Hoover on cultural issues! merrily Dec 2014 #189

Not sure what to make out of a former Bill Clinton counselor writing this piece. It goes counter still_one Dec 2014 #64

Every President, Rep and Dem, since Nixon "deregulated" merrily Dec 2014 #192

DU Rec. SixString Dec 2014 #68

Oh yeah? Well I'll form my own political party! With blackjack and hookers! Initech Dec 2014 #82

What's a party without blackjack.. or roulette ? Autumn Dec 2014 #97

Maybe just forget the "political" bit. Sounds like a party! merrily Dec 2014 #193

Fox news is to blame for brainwashing America. DCBob Dec 2014 #96

We had ways, like the Fairness Doctrine. We discontinued them. merrily Dec 2014 #194

It is just so much easier to blame Fox news and the republicans. Autumn Dec 2014 #226

Some have some kind of economic interest in doing that. merrily Jan 2015 #267

The dc dems already abandoned many of their voters Doctor_J Dec 2014 #105

Exactly.. sendero Dec 2014 #107

i did not leave the party PowerToThePeople Dec 2014 #156

For at least the better part of a century, Republicans were up merrily Dec 2014 #198

Cogent observations Doctor_J Dec 2014 #202

Thanks--and yours always are . merrily Dec 2014 #203

K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2014 #112

"The young now trend Republican" 0rganism Dec 2014 #178

As a lifelong Democratic voter, I will NEVER EVER vote for another corporate dem as long as I live. onecaliberal Dec 2014 #196

1978. My first vote ever, for whoever was running against Jim Thompson. Don't even Doctor_J Dec 2014 #206

That Would Be Like Abandoning Your Child Bcuz They Made Mistakes Or Didn't Live Up 2 All expectation Corey_Baker08 Dec 2014 #223

the gnewz media is STILL in thrall of reaganism + the GOP. democrats need to stop being afraid. pansypoo53219 Dec 2014 #227

Yes let's, and let's privatize Social Security while we're at it. ucrdem Jan 2015 #236

Hows about a chained CPI? Sheesh Autumn Jan 2015 #237

Hows about privatized interstates and the return of "peak" oil? ucrdem Jan 2015 #238