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In reply to the discussion: Rules I'd suggest for critiquing Islam or "Islamists" without aiding Western militarists and bigots: [View all]leftynyc
(26,060 posts)153. There's bigotry against people
who are left handed or who weigh too much. What's your point?
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Rules I'd suggest for critiquing Islam or "Islamists" without aiding Western militarists and bigots: [View all]
Ken Burch
Jan 2015
OP
The overwhelming majority of Muslims, like the overwhelming majority of all human beings,
Ken Burch
Jan 2015
#24
Majorities of Muslims in Egypt and Pakistan support the death penalty for leaving Islam
FrodosPet
Jan 2015
#70
So you believe the vast majority of Muslims aren't sane and rational people?
Violet_Crumble
Jan 2015
#117
i'm not getting into vast majority talk. Innocent people are being attacked in the name
samsingh
Jan 2015
#129
You got into it when you objected to someone pointing out the vast majority are sane and rational...
Violet_Crumble
Jan 2015
#132
Too bad there's a significant fraction of people dedicating themselves to not making
NewDeal_Dem
Jan 2015
#123
You seem to find it easy to ignore the million or so muslims killed by your own government.
NewDeal_Dem
Jan 2015
#137
What you don't get is everyone doing the killing thinks they are good people.
AngryAmish
Jan 2015
#77
Actually, Muslims in France face restrictions Muslims in the U.S. do not face. n/t.
Ken Burch
Jan 2015
#86
Of course not. But understanding WHY people make homicidal choices like that
Ken Burch
Jan 2015
#161
Is there a statute of limitations where last week or last month or last year doesn't count?
Violet_Crumble
Jan 2015
#131
you didn't hear of the 'kill the gays' laws in africa? (and their US sponsors?)
NewDeal_Dem
Jan 2015
#138
There are plenty of home-grown African christians and muslims who support them as well
MNBrewer
Jan 2015
#231
The US government and its allies kills more. Do you suggest the same for them?
NewDeal_Dem
Jan 2015
#113
you are confusing criticizing islam ( a religion) with cultural practices of those who espouse it.
msongs
Jan 2015
#8
should the US offer Jews in France Asylum because of what happened today ? you suggested
JI7
Jan 2015
#28
I condemn the attack on the grocery. The focus should be on catching the tiny group of extremists
Ken Burch
Jan 2015
#35
I never claimed to be standing alone-or to be brave. This thread isn't about ME at all.
Ken Burch
Jan 2015
#72
the only one saying something unpopular here is the person you're talking to. the rest
NewDeal_Dem
Jan 2015
#139
You know perfectly well I don't think anything of the sort. Nor does anyone else.
Ken Burch
Jan 2015
#165
maybe you should be worrying about those being killed in Africa and France today by extremists
samsingh
Jan 2015
#119
most of those being killed in africa are being killed by forces allied with western powers.
NewDeal_Dem
Jan 2015
#143
Of course they know it. It simply suits their framing to paint you as the villain of the
NewDeal_Dem
Jan 2015
#140
No, but some people are coming perilously close to blaming the victims, which is nearly as bad. N.T.
Donald Ian Rankin
Jan 2015
#141
afuckingmen. There's nothing more dangerous than a monster who thinks he's right with his god.
PeaceNikki
Jan 2015
#29
they're disgusting, that's why i spent 8 years doing what i could to get them out of office
samsingh
Jan 2015
#120
That is also the point of the opportunistic anti-Muslim rhetoric we're seeing
Ken Burch
Jan 2015
#45
interesting - i see the attack on the grocery and the magazine. i see innocent people getting killed
samsingh
Jan 2015
#121
i never said i blame all muslims. those are your words and what you're bringing the
samsingh
Jan 2015
#189
The problem is that the distinction isn't being made in most of the rhetoric.
Ken Burch
Jan 2015
#40
No, a muslim is an adherent of islam. a muslim is a person, islam is his/her religion.
NewDeal_Dem
Jan 2015
#149
the killers were born in france, they didn't just 'live' there. i presume they were
NewDeal_Dem
Jan 2015
#151
i don't see the difference. they ate food and took shelter in France and then killed its citizens
samsingh
Jan 2015
#192
they were *born* there, they didn't "take shelter" there. they're as french as anyone
NewDeal_Dem
Jan 2015
#197
Which you can say of anyone who lives anywhere and kills anyone else in the same place.
Ken Burch
Jan 2015
#177
Worked a hell of a lot of other times, and not doing it is usually catastrophic.
Donald Ian Rankin
Jan 2015
#142
Are you referrring to non-extremist people in general, or non-extremist Muslims?
Ken Burch
Jan 2015
#88
As a strong supporter of women, LGBT and a secular society, Republicans are my adversaries.
PeaceNikki
Jan 2015
#100
i'm really worried about tidal waves. we should plant trees along the shoreline. don't people get it
samsingh
Jan 2015
#194
Criticizing the religion itself, pointing out its barbaric tenets, and explaining the penalties for
PeaceNikki
Jan 2015
#55
To say someone is Muslim is to say that they adhere to a certain set of beliefs as laid out by their
PeaceNikki
Jan 2015
#60
I'm curious. Do you think there's such a thing as bigotry against people who are Muslim? n/t
Violet_Crumble
Jan 2015
#122
Those sorts are out in force in the comments sections of Murdoch rags...
Violet_Crumble
Jan 2015
#182
I've seen them do it here. According to them there's no such thing as Islamophobia...
Violet_Crumble
Jan 2015
#218
There usually aren't calls for the deportation of the overweight or the left-handed.
Ken Burch
Jan 2015
#175
Good question. Those who suffer from it would be ill-equipped to recognize it.
NewDeal_Dem
Jan 2015
#155
So we all agree where the line between mainstream religion and fundamentalist religion lies?
brooklynite
Jan 2015
#56
I'm fully aware that the Israeli government enabled Hamas-they were fixated on discrediting the PLO
Ken Burch
Jan 2015
#53
I'm an anarchist, I don't do rules very well but since this is the game, I'll play --
Nuclear Unicorn
Jan 2015
#54
People were saying we should respect the Islamic belief that the prophet should not be depicted.
Lobo27
Jan 2015
#66
Then oppose bigotry...but it's not "opposing bigotry" to demonize an entire religion
Ken Burch
Jan 2015
#91
And who here does those things, Ken Burch? You imply the posters you address say that and that's
Bluenorthwest
Jan 2015
#97
I'm part of that 'secular rebellion' against bigotry on a global basis, it's not 'the West' alone th
Bluenorthwest
Jan 2015
#187
If you go and read this thread and a few others it's right there. You can't miss it...
Violet_Crumble
Jan 2015
#147
You have no right to fantasize about what you think I meant when I spoke clearly. None.
Bluenorthwest
Jan 2015
#186
Yes: all societies have had barbaric practices in the past. But is that a reason not to criticize
pnwmom
Jan 2015
#206
Yes, Islam didn't invent the practice of honor killings any more than it invented
pnwmom
Jan 2015
#215
The correct comparison is between different cultures at the same point in time.
pnwmom
Jan 2015
#221
is someone suggesting that those who committed those murders are worthy of respect, understanding,
Douglas Carpenter
Jan 2015
#230