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7. What "wretched of the earth"? The attackers were middle-class French citizens

Sun Jan 11, 2015, 10:18 PM

Jan 2015

Like pretty much all terrorists of recent years, they weren't from the poor and dispossessed huddled masses; they were fairly well off.

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Chris Hedges - We have engineered the rage of the dispossessed (warning - may scare some) [View all] kpete Jan 2015 OP

K/R marmar Jan 2015 #1

Frightened of what? upaloopa Jan 2015 #103

OMFG! Hedges totally 'goes there'. I love this man. HUGE K&R!! 99th_Monkey Jan 2015 #2

He tells the truth. A lot of people have suddenly stopped wanting the truth. sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #43

early on in the start of the 2003 heaven05 Jan 2015 #51

I think they knew it too. Forever war. Our country was taken over by extremist psychopaths for a sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #77

So we limp along 99th_Monkey Jan 2015 #93

Well, the "Imperial West" wouldn't be so successful w/o help of Saudis and other heads of state KittyWampus Jan 2015 #3

Excellent point. hifiguy Jan 2015 #104

good turn of phrase. Our media never, ever mentions this. KittyWampus Jan 2015 #108

k&r, the attack on Charlie Hebdo was not about images of Mohamed, that was the excuse. uppityperson Jan 2015 #4

I agree that religion is not the cause BainsBane Jan 2015 #5

Agreed. The anti-religion brigade is just another way for 1% to "divide & conquer" the 99% nt 99th_Monkey Jan 2015 #6

You got that right. Brigid Jan 2015 #12

I've been all over the map 99th_Monkey Jan 2015 #15

The deal around the table may need to be empathy,too HereSince1628 Jan 2015 #41

Good point you make. -nt 99th_Monkey Jan 2015 #95

+100 ND-Dem Jan 2015 #20

+1 nt Live and Learn Jan 2015 #16

What "wretched of the earth"? The attackers were middle-class French citizens Recursion Jan 2015 #7

Middle class isn't the impression I got. Do you have a link for that? ND-Dem Jan 2015 #21

The brothers worked at a restaurant; Coulibaly worked for Coca Cola Recursion Jan 2015 #24

According to the article I posted, the brother worked in a fish market. After getting out ND-Dem Jan 2015 #26

Now, compare it to le cite des 4000 that the original article mentioned Recursion Jan 2015 #30

I didn't read what you read. Please copy the part about gentrification in the 19th. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #31

Seriously? Go to Paris some time Recursion Jan 2015 #73

I've been to paris, thanks very much. I've been to the 19th, belleville area. what you're ND-Dem Jan 2015 #83

Said: ‘He was very, very muscular but I think they were poor. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #34

Yes, I've read many articles stating they were poor and felt ostracized. polly7 Jan 2015 #38

Then why weren't they in the neighborhood the author profiled? Recursion Jan 2015 #52

One lived in the 19th; the other lived in Gennevilliers, as reported by multiple sources. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #107

ohhhhhh DustyJoe Jan 2015 #81

Guess you didn't read my post very well. polly7 Jan 2015 #82

You are correct. And welcome to DU ND-Dem! (nt) PotatoChip Jan 2015 #79

This message was self-deleted by its author Recursion Jan 2015 #23

and "...devoid of hope, brutally controlled, belittled and mocked..." ? Perhaps one can be "wretched jtuck004 Jan 2015 #54

They're school shooters. They're Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold. Recursion Jan 2015 #62

So in a school you would have a fairly better chance of identifying people who have something going jtuck004 Jan 2015 #67

Even in the school that fails: Harris was popular Recursion Jan 2015 #69

I'm not sure that isn't the lie, that you can't be "broken" while appearing advantaged. n/t jtuck004 Jan 2015 #70

They were not "middle class" or "fairly well off". PotatoChip Jan 2015 #86

I don't condone my government killing innocent people Skittles Jan 2015 #8

Well, I don't think Hedges is excusing the attacks on Charlie Hebdo, Maedhros Jan 2015 #85

I was going to tell you all that he is wrong but then I stopped to think. The attackers used a jwirr Jan 2015 #9

+1 daleanime Jan 2015 #10

I have often thought . . . Brigid Jan 2015 #13

Exactly and I think if we look at the history of rebellion that would be true in most of them. jwirr Jan 2015 #57

They were angry about the "Let them eat cake" thing BobbyBoring Jan 2015 #88

+2 ReRe Jan 2015 #17

You're right fadedrose Jan 2015 #55

Too bad isn't it? jwirr Jan 2015 #58

Damned pity nt fadedrose Jan 2015 #59

Painfully True. n/t Martin Eden Jan 2015 #11

But they didn't live in Saint-Denis or Pantin; they lived in Paris Recursion Jan 2015 #25

the particular circumstances of the attackers bbgrunt Jan 2015 #92

Maybe if you look Old Codger Jan 2015 #14

"we" didn't fight the barbary pirates. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #22

Apparently you didn't read Old Codger Jan 2015 #27

I don't know about you, but I wasn't alive in the 1800s. "We" also fought the british, in ND-Dem Jan 2015 #28

LOL Old Codger Jan 2015 #32

No, I think you're trying to make the case that the US has always had a bad relationship with ND-Dem Jan 2015 #33

This message was self-deleted by its author NuclearDem Jan 2015 #65

America was fighting Christians before they were fighting Muslims. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #56

Its about time fingrin Jan 2015 #18

Thanks for posting this. As is so often the case, Hedges reframes the debate and KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #19

a vile rant that know not what it is DonCoquixote Jan 2015 #29

mockery in the service of racism is an outrage reddread Jan 2015 #40

I hear the sounds of the city and dispossessed seveneyes Jan 2015 #35

Don't expect M$Greedia to discuss this malaise Jan 2015 #36

But, but, but ... isn't it enough to just say they hate our freedoms? Scuba Jan 2015 #37

"The evil of predatory global capitalism and empire has spawned the evil of terrorism. " LWolf Jan 2015 #39

Um, Mr. Hedges? The killers said they did it in support of ISIS. randome Jan 2015 #42

I think the greater point is that JackInGreen Jan 2015 #44

The cultural divide simply exists. America is not responsible for everything. randome Jan 2015 #46

"America is not responsible for everything" KansDem Jan 2015 #63

Yes, America killed and tortured combatants. randome Jan 2015 #74

I think you missed the point. Unknown Beatle Jan 2015 #100

everyone once in a while kpete Jan 2015 #78

This: chervilant Jan 2015 #45

Thanks chervilant, kpete Jan 2015 #47

I look forward to your OPs, chervilant Jan 2015 #64

K&R nt raouldukelives Jan 2015 #48

The only understanding I see in all of this is the obvious. A lot of those in power are sociopaths, BlueJazz Jan 2015 #49

Probably the most clueless article on the subject posted here oberliner Jan 2015 #50

So I take it you disagree with Hedges' thesis statement (in his first paragraph): KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #60

The basic premise is completely accurate.... now what? Adrahil Jan 2015 #53

Why not? We did the equivalent with the Marshall Plan after World War II, when KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #61

I think this is simplifying things. Osama Bin Laden was from one of the wealthiest families in S.A. Arugula Latte Jan 2015 #66

My message to the "Wretched of the Earth". staggerleem Jan 2015 #68

^^^^^THIS^^^^^ BobbyBoring Jan 2015 #94

We need to understand the rage. Chemisse Jan 2015 #71

Wait, what "rage"? Recursion Jan 2015 #72

I am more thinking about the underlying movements, such as Al Qaeda. Chemisse Jan 2015 #76

over & over & over again kpete Jan 2015 #80

It is about religion cali Jan 2015 #75

I don't think Hedges would disagree with you. PotatoChip Jan 2015 #89

Not sure if you read this article, but I think it speaks extremely well to the increase in adirondacker Jan 2015 #109

Scare me? It lifts my spirits Doctor_J Jan 2015 #84

"Capitalists will sell us the rope with which to hang them." ~Attributed KingCharlemagne Jan 2015 #96

The same conditions Hedges describes is now festering in cities and towns all over this country . geretogo Jan 2015 #87

Hedges wrote the book "I don't believe in Atheists" he will always make excuses for religion. m-lekktor Jan 2015 #90

And yet, religious people loathe him. Funny thing, that. (nt) PotatoChip Jan 2015 #91

Thank you for pointing that out. MindPilot Jan 2015 #99

American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America PotatoChip Jan 2015 #102

He is quite clear. He hates fundamentalism. Luminous Animal Jan 2015 #101

It's all blowback from terrible ME policies. Solution: stop blowing it. grahamhgreen Jan 2015 #97

Very Interesting... but! ymetca Jan 2015 #98

Spot on, Hedges. Octafish Jan 2015 #105

Were the attackers Sunni or Shia? Cosmic Kitten Jan 2015 #106

His bullshit "poverty" argument might carry more weight Blue_Tires Jan 2015 #110