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leveymg

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227. This poll is already spinning. eom

Tue Jan 20, 2015, 10:55 AM

Jan 2015

I don't want to run up the threadcount any more on this OP. The title and message are fundamentally misleading - sure, 85% approve of an open nomination process (that includes HRC), but that's not the same thing as supporting her as a candidate.

Acknowledge that, and we're on the same page. Otherwise, you're just another "Hillary is inevitable" flack.

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CBS Poll: 85% of Democrats approve of a Clinton candidacy [View all] wyldwolf Jan 2015 OP

Where is LoZo when you need him? hobbit709 Jan 2015 #1

It looks like he was part of the overwhelming majority Renew Deal Jan 2015 #47

This "article" is based on a Carville-Greenberg push poll. leveymg Jan 2015 #106

That's the wrong poll Renew Deal Jan 2015 #136

That was the poll posted by hrmjustin 4 minutes before yours. leveymg Jan 2015 #146

Just in case you haven't seen Hillary's Unfavorable ratings, they're at an 8 year high. leveymg Jan 2015 #159

Yeah, all the Rethugs now dislike or hate her. So what? nt pnwmom Jan 2015 #161

That's all voters, including us. leveymg Jan 2015 #165

That negative is almost all from the Rethugs. DUers against Hillary comprise a small fraction pnwmom Jan 2015 #166

Her negatives are widespread, long-rooted, and growing. leveymg Jan 2015 #174

This is what happens in every election. pnwmom Jan 2015 #176

Right. At this point in the '08 cycle, HRC's Q scores were tracking this same way. leveymg Jan 2015 #191

She could be vulnerable to a Democratic challenge and if she is, so be it. pnwmom Jan 2015 #195

She won't be able to shake the perception that she's going to lead us to war. leveymg Jan 2015 #201

She doesn't need to shake anything. 85% of Democrats are happy with her as is. nt stevenleser Jan 2015 #224

I'd say about 45 percent. Otherwise, Hillary would be President right now instead of Barrack. leveymg Jan 2015 #225

No, the poll is clear, you can't spin it. nt stevenleser Jan 2015 #226

This poll is already spinning. eom leveymg Jan 2015 #227

It's so early.. I'm going to treasure these last two years of Obama being President. It will be Cha Jan 2015 #2

So will I, Cha. So will millions upon millions of Americans. I wish President Obama could run for a BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #155

Yes, I am definitely not alone on this, BlueCali! Here's to the Cha Jan 2015 #204

Well said, Cha! calimary Jan 2015 #185

You said it well yourself, calimary.. mahalo! Cha Jan 2015 #207

Oh well looks like my 35+ yeras of being a memebr of the Democratic Party will be ending soon ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #3

don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. wyldwolf Jan 2015 #4

It won't, enjoy your new corporate master! ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #5

I will. See ya! wyldwolf Jan 2015 #6

That is seemingly certain. TheKentuckian Jan 2015 #10

You'll not get any sympathy from this thread's OPer… They meant DLC Democrats... MrMickeysMom Jan 2015 #122

Agreed. This is fun thread for rubbing DLC's noses into inconvenient truths re HRC. Divernan Jan 2015 #128

I'm not the least inconvenienced by that summation of HRC... MrMickeysMom Jan 2015 #135

Why vote Republican, when you can vote 3rd way? Katashi_itto Jan 2015 #24

Wow. demwing Jan 2015 #48

how should one react to a threat to threat to leave the party? wyldwolf Jan 2015 #76

How about "No Reaction"? demwing Jan 2015 #173

how about YOU react the way you will, and I'll do the same wyldwolf Jan 2015 #177

You asked demwing Jan 2015 #208

because I won't defer to your methods means I'm not interested? wyldwolf Jan 2015 #210

You know, that little "truth" icon? MrMickeysMom Jan 2015 #123

Right. So what part of "don't let the door hit your ass on the way out" demwing Jan 2015 #175

What a silly argument… MrMickeysMom Jan 2015 #203

Nonsense. You're just trying to justify rudeness demwing Jan 2015 #206

Okay…. MrMickeysMom Jan 2015 #211

You're confused again demwing Jan 2015 #219

Excuse me... MrMickeysMom Jan 2015 #232

Apparently, I have completely misunderstood your remark demwing Jan 2015 #233

Not a problem, demwing... MrMickeysMom Jan 2015 #234

Are you saying then that you will join the republican party? joshdawg Jan 2015 #7

Does it occur to you that not being a member of A doesn't automatically enroll you in B? hobbit709 Jan 2015 #9

Clever response. Who are the possibilites on the horizon for Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2015 #13

I switched to Unaffiliated earlier this month when I was at the DMV. Autumn Jan 2015 #75

Of course you did. Thanks for being honest about it. eom BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #153

We are in a world with binary thinking. zeemike Jan 2015 #41

Nope. Because we have a two-party, system like it or not. So leaving A gives by default BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #154

Yeah sure right, that is what I am going to do join the GOP in protest! ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #11

It was a silly question, wasn't it? truebluegreen Jan 2015 #60

Okay, I get your point. No problem. joshdawg Jan 2015 #73

Not being a sheep I Always ...... ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #85

Your so-called "principle" can do great harm to others frazzled Jan 2015 #151

You have that backwards. jeff47 Jan 2015 #90

I would add one more: CrispyQ Jan 2015 #98

Thread winner! RiverLover Jan 2015 #104

You're absolutely correct! joshdawg Jan 2015 #111

+1000-This thread's great review ofHRC's faults/shortcomings/GOP connections Divernan Jan 2015 #121

+1. Nt newfie11 Jan 2015 #16

Wisely spoken og1 Jan 2015 #22

+1000 Katashi_itto Jan 2015 #25

Join the club. Haven't been a member for about 4 years. Dawgs Jan 2015 #42

Don't actually agree, but would vote for a 3rd party cand. if s/he is progressive. Four years of drynberg Jan 2015 #64

Don't forget this is a CBS poll. raindaddy Jan 2015 #67

Warren and Sanders were in the poll Renew Deal Jan 2015 #144

Wouldn't a chllenge from the left be healthy for the country? raindaddy Jan 2015 #164

What, specifically, has HRC as your anti-Democratic bogey person? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #81

Hillary's corporate legacy at State Dept AtomicKitten Jan 2015 #215

Do you think it is NOT a part of the SoS' job ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #216

I think I was supplying information AtomicKitten Jan 2015 #217

Okay.n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #220

Funny that Elizabeth Warren won't be joining you, isn't it? brooklynite Jan 2015 #91

I hope you don't leave the party. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #94

K, Bye. n/t Lil Missy Jan 2015 #127

You won't be alone. L0oniX Jan 2015 #157

awwww.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #194

Huh, imagine that! Indydem Jan 2015 #8

How so? What good jobs, ability to pay for your own health care, and what ability to own a home and TheKentuckian Jan 2015 #12

Simply put: a better economy. Indydem Jan 2015 #14

Bottom line, Bill Clinton was 10x the president than Barack Obama. DonCoquixote Jan 2015 #15

Bill and Hillary ARE rich people now. LuvNewcastle Jan 2015 #19

Chelsea's hubby's the hedge fund trading son of 2 failed grifter/politicians. Divernan Jan 2015 #55

Fortunately she is a totally lousy candidate, & the more people hear her the less they like her peacebird Jan 2015 #61

What's ironic is the things she got crucified for on the tour were for saying things DUers like. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #70

except for the fact that 85% of REAL Democrats like seem to like her... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #197

Guilt by association? What the HELL does that have to do w/ Hillary?!? 66 dmhlt Jan 2015 #72

HRC plays the grandmother card; I'll play the in-laws card. Divernan Jan 2015 #74

So the past history of the father-in-law of her daughter is now Hillary's responsibility? BS!!! 66 dmhlt Jan 2015 #79

Of course dsc Jan 2015 #82

HRC's doing her best to hide Ed; not in wedding or new grandchild pictures. Divernan Jan 2015 #83

Anyone the LEAST bit influenced by that would NOT vote for HRC anyway. Give it up! 66 dmhlt Jan 2015 #221

It was also Bill Clinton who said on National TV several times that HIS taxes should be raised... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #196

"Bottom line, Bill Clinton was BumRushDaShow Jan 2015 #23

"1/10th/10x the president Obama is" = fixed. "The president OF Obama" just adds another kind of ND-Dem Jan 2015 #183

Too simply put to answer the questions. What is it you think she is going to do to create a better TheKentuckian Jan 2015 #229

As Hillary is one of the architects of TPP I just want to say. Thank you Hillary. Katashi_itto Jan 2015 #26

Link to the Hillary TPP claim? Renew Deal Jan 2015 #50

You are aware of her previous job, right? (nt) jeff47 Jan 2015 #88

Her "Global Initiatives" Foundation held a symposium ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2015 #92

Here's a link~ RiverLover Jan 2015 #100

HRC's Business LegacyatState Dept&leading part in drafting TPP Divernan Jan 2015 #126

it is very instructive how much perception management HRC requires reddread Jan 2015 #162

Thanks Divernan, for taking the time to quote the article. RiverLover Jan 2015 #169

"May well hold the keys" is a pretty weak hypothesis. Orsino Jan 2015 #36

Well her husband.... sendero Jan 2015 #62

Yep. Amen. +1 nt snappyturtle Jan 2015 #86

Proof please....this War Mongering meme has GOT to fucking stop on DU.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #198

Jeb Bush billhicks76 Jan 2015 #78

Spot on. riversedge Jan 2015 #138

A poll of 1000 people who have listed phone numbers isn't representative of Americans. nt RiverLover Jan 2015 #17

^ What people who don't like poll results usually say wyldwolf Jan 2015 #20

Of the 1000 ppl polled, how many called themselves Democrats? It doesn't say. RiverLover Jan 2015 #31

But it is representative of older folks. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jan 2015 #37

Yeah you keep clinging to that....whatever gets you through the night I suppose... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #199

Another pointless CBS poll blackspade Jan 2015 #18

+1 ChosenUnWisely Jan 2015 #21

"The M$M continues to set the narrative for low information voters. " DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #53

I have a better idea: truebluegreen Jan 2015 #63

So they want her in the primaries. LuvNewcastle Jan 2015 #27

Things should get interesting around here come primary season oberliner Jan 2015 #28

85% of Democrats..... BrainDrain Jan 2015 #29

I totally agree. LuvNewcastle Jan 2015 #33

You nailed her lying ass first try!!! easychoice Jan 2015 #40

HRC put a 12 year old rape victim through hell, later laughed about the case. Divernan Jan 2015 #71

Thanks,I was working from old memory.Too lazy to look it up. easychoice Jan 2015 #77

Interesting. Politifact's and Media Matter's investigations differ from your "research." wyldwolf Jan 2015 #96

Hah! Your Politifact link supports my statements. Divernan Jan 2015 #105

they don't support your conclusion. But where is your 2008 'research?' wyldwolf Jan 2015 #107

Here ya go! Read it and weep! Divernan Jan 2015 #119

That's dated 2014. You said your research was in 2008 wyldwolf Jan 2015 #129

dude...seriously.. BrainDrain Jan 2015 #147

Dude, seriously. Someone claimed to have all this research from 2008 wyldwolf Jan 2015 #152

The Hillary Clinton/Rapist Tapes- from Univ. of Arkansas archives Divernan Jan 2015 #222

You've gone from "I researched this in 2008" to "I recall learning about this in 2008" wyldwolf Jan 2015 #228

One learns from doing research, my dear! Divernan Jan 2015 #230

If you call 'research' parotting a conservative source from last year... then wyldwolf Jan 2015 #231

I have a better chance of dating Miss Universe than the Pugs have of beating Hillary The Great./NT DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #57

I dunno. Beauty Queens don't have the standards they used to have. wyldwolf Jan 2015 #109

Fuck Ron Paul. Look forward to your departure in 2016. nt geek tragedy Jan 2015 #143

and you know this how? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #200

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2015 #209

HRC is gonna kick some GOP ass! nt arely staircase Jan 2015 #30

That would be a welcome change from kissing Wall Street/Koch ass. Divernan Jan 2015 #120

haters gonna hate nt arely staircase Jan 2015 #212

These are great numbers for Hillary. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #32

She's not my first choice (see photo), but I'd vote for her in the general. Vinca Jan 2015 #34

Hillary Clinton as madam president will make corporations bathe in gold and sleep well in nights. TRoN33 Jan 2015 #35

You say those things like they are bad things! LondonReign2 Jan 2015 #160

The fact that people respond to this with... vi5 Jan 2015 #38

+1 MissDeeds Jan 2015 #44

63% want "ideological purity"; they won't vote for a DINO-1%-Wall Street BFF Divernan Jan 2015 #39

Your post makes no sense Renew Deal Jan 2015 #58

I kindly suggest you take a class in statistics. Divernan Jan 2015 #59

Perhaps you can explain it to us since you've had a class in statistics. wyldwolf Jan 2015 #103

I've had graduate level classes in statistics - you'll just have to trust me on this. Divernan Jan 2015 #112

So? wyldwolf Jan 2015 #131

No surprise Stephen Retired Jan 2015 #43

That's nice. Iggo Jan 2015 #45

She is more more liberal than I thought. pampango Jan 2015 #46

These are from 2002-2006, not meaningful, and if you really look at the numbers, RiverLover Jan 2015 #51

Discounting the significance of actual votes is a personal decision. You are welcome to it. pampango Jan 2015 #52

Information I like = meaningful Renew Deal Jan 2015 #65

I proudly voted for her 5 times and hope to do it again. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #54

She was elected twice as a Senator from New York Manny Man Jan 2015 #141

A primary and general in each Senate election MineralMan Jan 2015 #149

2 primaries, 2 generals, and a presidential primary. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #150

she also voted not to confirm Alito and Roberts OKNancy Jan 2015 #68

85% approve of her candidacy doesn't mean NewJeffCT Jan 2015 #49

Elections are often won by only a few percent. We may just have a GOP President in 2016. leveymg Jan 2015 #56

I expect Clinton would duplicate what Coakley did in MA. jeff47 Jan 2015 #93

The comparison is unfair to Coakley. The difference is the intensity of the negatives against HRC leveymg Jan 2015 #97

Do you have any evidence to support your assertion... DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2015 #171

Damned shame we no longer have the unrec feature. Enthusiast Jan 2015 #66

I agree so I "un-rec'd" an OP this morning anyway. Made me feel better. nt snappyturtle Jan 2015 #87

Your post reminds me of something Colbert one said Renew Deal Jan 2015 #145

All this means is that Dems want an open primary, and that Hillary is the front runner. bluedigger Jan 2015 #69

And 100% of Wall Street approves of Hillary too. n/t benz380 Jan 2015 #80

She's a perfect candidate - for the GOP Divernan Jan 2015 #84

Proud to be a 15%er! City Lights Jan 2015 #89

All this poll says to me is that this early out, MoonchildCA Jan 2015 #95

I approve of Clinton's candidacy. i aprove of Webb's candidacy. Agnosticsherbet Jan 2015 #99

Democrats want another liberal in the WH -- that's a good thing. NYC Liberal Jan 2015 #101

I sometimes wonder if the anti-Hillary people might not be happier at FREE REPUBLIC.... brooklynite Jan 2015 #130

I'm pretty sure FREE REPUBLIC isn't into FDR like we are~ RiverLover Jan 2015 #140

An I wonder if the pro-Hillary people might not be happier at THIRD WAY.org LondonReign2 Jan 2015 #163

Gee, ELIZABETH WARREN, HOWARD DEAN, and BARNEY FRANK are Third Way members? brooklynite Jan 2015 #168

I admire your relentless effort to push the Democratic party to the right LondonReign2 Jan 2015 #172

I admire your relentless effort to deny reality... brooklynite Jan 2015 #178

Keep up the Third Way work LondonReign2 Jan 2015 #181

You'll have to do better than snippy insults... brooklynite Jan 2015 #188

Right.... RiverLover Jan 2015 #189

The unstoppable train. If only she could cut that smelly baggage car loose. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #102

The unstoppable train ...just like in the movie Snowpiercer. L0oniX Jan 2015 #158

Once again proving how insular DU really is... SidDithers Jan 2015 #108

I've never met a single person in my "real" life who likes Hillary Clinton. RiverLover Jan 2015 #110

Then you need to get out more...nt SidDithers Jan 2015 #113

I have met plenty. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #116

No, I don't suppose you have. nt Bobbie Jo Jan 2015 #118

The few I've met have easily been convinced to change their minds. Divernan Jan 2015 #134

I have Renew Deal Jan 2015 #137

I've met a lot of Elizabeth Warren supporters who support Hillary Clinton... brooklynite Jan 2015 #142

Ouch. zappaman Jan 2015 #170

Signing a letter to get along isn't "supporting" RiverLover Jan 2015 #180

"She'd be great" brooklynite Jan 2015 #184

Liz never said that about Hillary. nt RiverLover Jan 2015 #187

You're absolutely right...the correct word was "terrific" brooklynite Jan 2015 #190

"Hillary is terrific" when trying to dodge endorsing is not endorsing. nt RiverLover Jan 2015 #192

This "new English" is really confusing me... brooklynite Jan 2015 #213

But she certainly made clear she is not running. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #186

For discussion, let's stipulate that it's not 85%... brooklynite Jan 2015 #114

It looks like the party is ready despite what some here say. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #115

Just like America was "ready" to invade Iraq in 2003. Thank you Hillary - leveymg Jan 2015 #124

She was wrong on that but I voted for Kerry so I can vote for Hillary. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #125

What would it take to disqualify her, then, if not her influential Iraq War vote? leveymg Jan 2015 #133

I think she understands the country is war weary. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #148

Yeah, Canada offers a much better representation of US public sentiment, I'm sure. /nt Marr Jan 2015 #132

... SidDithers Jan 2015 #139

Highway to Hill? JEB Jan 2015 #117

$$$ L0oniX Jan 2015 #156

Nobody asked me. tabasco Jan 2015 #167

The other 15% are all here telling us how nobody wants her... LOL! n/t Adrahil Jan 2015 #179

Hilary Clinton: unfavorable ratings converge with favorable ratings in January ND-Dem Jan 2015 #182

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2015 #193

Between name recognition, and the fact that nobody is currently running, this poll seems useless n/t arcane1 Jan 2015 #202

I "approve if a Clinton candidacy" AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #205

LOL. Sure. nt silvershadow Jan 2015 #214

If the Democratic Party nominates H. Clinton, they will have sold their souls to the devil (Oligarch rhett o rick Jan 2015 #218

Speaking of selling 1's soul, watch HRC laugh about getting a guillty rapist off. Divernan Jan 2015 #223