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219. When you have to distort to make your point, you probably don't have a point worth making
Wed Feb 25, 2015, 12:10 PM
Feb 2015

Last edited Wed Feb 25, 2015, 06:43 PM - Edit history (1)

Let's consider the title of the OP: "Salt of the Earth Hillary Clinton wants $300,000 from you PLUS your vote"

Reading that, you might reasonably conclude (and be shocked) that Clinton is charging individuals $300,000 to hear a campaign speech.

Of course, the facts are much different.

A year ago, Clinton was paid $300,000 to deliver the Keynote Speech at the Luskin Lecture for Thought Leadership at UCLA. She delivered her remarks (not a campaign speech) to an audience of around 1800 people. That would work out to $167 per person, which would be a pretty cheap fundraiser if it had been a campaign event. Of course, it really didn't cost $167 per person. Student tickets were free. Tickets for faculty were $100 and there were reserved/premier reserved seats that cost $250 and $500, a portion of which was for scholarship and research programs at UCLA. There was a reception for the Premier Reserved ticket holders, but Clinton did not (and was never scheduled to) attend.

But there's more: the $300,000? That didn't exactly come out of the attendees pockets, or even the University's. It came from a multi-million dollar endowment created by the Luskins as part of the $100 million they donated to UCLA in 2011. I don't know how much Bill Clinton was paid in 2012 as the initial speaker or how much Kofi Annan was paid for his 2013 appearance at the second annual Thought for Leadership Lecture. Nor do I know how much other speakers who appear as part of the regular Luskin Lecture series (including Howard Dean, Marian Wright Edelman, Madeleine Albright), but presumably they were paid for their appearances as well -- after all, that's the point of the endowment.

Sort of paints a different picture than the OP and its hit-piece story.

I'll do it for $25K. when do I show up :-) nt msongs Feb 2015 #1
We should just get our candidates from India on an H1B and pay them, like $5K, and no benefits whereisjustice Feb 2015 #5
Lol, what a great idea, Globalization! Cheap labor. I like the H1B method, we are told it is sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #101
Nice. Phlem Feb 2015 #127
Absolutely, we must support corporate profits & globalization. But new H1-B Reps. are only for the appalachiablue Feb 2015 #250
Is that with or without the lemons wedges? InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #6
*sniff* *sniff* This post has a scent o pine to it...nt SidDithers Feb 2015 #2
It certainly has a scent of something all right Hekate Feb 2015 #111
she delivered he Luskin Lecture for Thought Leadership speech on March 5, 2014. elleng Feb 2015 #3
But, BUT, this all goes to "her foundation" not her private accounts... HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #4
In that case I'll spend $1. 840high Feb 2015 #43
So? nt Codeine Feb 2015 #7
That's what he said..... DeSwiss Feb 2015 #12
That's known as the "1%'er fee." Pay to play, boys and girls. PAY TO PLAY. blkmusclmachine Feb 2015 #8
Karl Rove is very concerned I bet. JoePhilly Feb 2015 #9
News flash: There is a Speakers Circuit out there and some folks get a lot of money stevenleser Feb 2015 #10
Is there anything Hillary has ever done wrong according to you? Nt Logical Feb 2015 #30
She's a saint. BeanMusical Feb 2015 #74
Speaking fees are indeed, a most heinous and grievous crime; and it's time people knew... LanternWaste Feb 2015 #204
Wonder why warren does not want them? nt Logical Feb 2015 #216
Groan - zzzzzz 840high Feb 2015 #44
Exactly. Nothing to see here. Nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #78
The price is based on whether you are in the big club or not. zeemike Feb 2015 #71
Nope, the price is based on demand. Sorry, it's not as exciting as your conspiracy stevenleser Feb 2015 #77
Then tell us who is demanding it. zeemike Feb 2015 #87
Do you really not understand this? Do you think attendees of speeches pay for them? Nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #164
Do you really not understand that students pay tuition zeemike Feb 2015 #198
What "conspiracy" did zeemike supposedly allude to? merrily Feb 2015 #156
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2015 #229
"But smear merchants have to make a living!" NCTraveler Feb 2015 #238
can you people debate anything without attacking others? in this thread alone, people have ND-Dem Feb 2015 #175
Post removed Post removed Feb 2015 #231
students just *love* hillary. they all think it's worth $300K to hear her, and they're happy ND-Dem Feb 2015 #100
that HRC Thespian2 Feb 2015 #88
What a pantload. Nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #91
I see your popular around here. Phlem Feb 2015 #131
The ignorant tend not to like me, and I am totally OK with that. Nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #162
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,!!! Phlem Feb 2015 #220
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2015 #232
Can't image Thespian2 Feb 2015 #256
"You?" BainsBane Feb 2015 #11
Some folks just figured out there is a speakers circuit because someone they don't like is on it stevenleser Feb 2015 #13
They haven't just figured it out BainsBane Feb 2015 #15
Well, since women here are indeed considered the lowest common denominator, sheshe2 Feb 2015 #113
women here (at DU and in the US) are *not* "considered the lowest common denominator". ND-Dem Feb 2015 #118
Thank you! n/t whathehell Feb 2015 #137
Amazing how fast calling "sexist" on every DU critic of Hillary got old and transparent, isn't it? merrily Feb 2015 #160
and how old it's gotten, and how hopeless it makes me feel. what kind of solidarity can ND-Dem Feb 2015 #178
Take heart. merrily Feb 2015 #182
I would love to see Warren as President Art_from_Ark Feb 2015 #174
And a few Shirley Chisholm(s) thrown in for good measure! :) - nt KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #209
Oh, yeah, that would be something to behold Art_from_Ark Feb 2015 #257
"for the first time, people of advanced age have decided that income inequality...is a problem" ND-Dem Feb 2015 #42
Sure seems like it BainsBane Feb 2015 #82
right because those people "of advanced age" never once complained about income inequality ND-Dem Feb 2015 #95
I'm of advanced age myself BainsBane Feb 2015 #151
Now you're trying to rationalize your BS charge: this time *you're* old, but unprivileged, ND-Dem Feb 2015 #159
Brilliant rant, BB. Some will deliberately misunderstand you, but you got it right. Hekate Feb 2015 #116
yes, using ageist slurs to pretend people are racist and sexist is a brilliant technique. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #139
Okay Einstein, then why do all the Hillary haters all tend to like Elizabeth Warren? Sexist? Nt Logical Feb 2015 #50
I'm no Einstein and I would yell you William769 Feb 2015 #58
Send me a PM! I am curious! Logical Feb 2015 #218
Warren isn't running BainsBane Feb 2015 #70
Some people just do not like her..... Logical Feb 2015 #217
because the hillary haters are all so old. according to the poster. though it doesn't make ND-Dem Feb 2015 #97
You deliberately misunderstand the poster, but that's a personal problem. nt Hekate Feb 2015 #117
please explain then her meaning then, because i didn't deliberately misunderstand anything. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #120
I don't dialog where there's no dialog possible Hekate Feb 2015 #129
You mean you can't explain, because it's clear what the poster meant. She meant old ND-Dem Feb 2015 #132
That one should ring a Bell. nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #196
Ask not for whom the Bell tolls... Hekate Feb 2015 #243
Yes, it's personal and emotional. betsuni Feb 2015 #68
Democratic monsters BainsBane Feb 2015 #84
you support clinton because (you perceive) some people see putin as a hero? i see why ND-Dem Feb 2015 #99
Yeah, that's exactly what I said BainsBane Feb 2015 #110
do clarify then. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #114
"The problem with that argument is none of you are discussing policy" whathehell Feb 2015 #144
Maybe that's because there isn't yet a campaign? BainsBane Feb 2015 #146
Yeah, sure, that's why she's hired 200 economic advisors.. whathehell Feb 2015 #150
Should you deicde you do care about issues BainsBane Feb 2015 #185
Your implication that I do NOT care about the issues is duly noted whathehell Mar 2015 #259
Wish I could recommend a post mcar Feb 2015 #203
Are you saying Carter wouldn't take more if he could get it? brooklynite Feb 2015 #14
That's different BainsBane Feb 2015 #16
Hypocrisy is always solved by "that's different"..... brooklynite Feb 2015 #17
My point was sarcastic BainsBane Feb 2015 #18
he apparently gets way less than anyone else, including ex-vps and failed presidential ND-Dem Feb 2015 #54
Perhaps so... brooklynite Feb 2015 #61
I make minimum wage. I'm not willing to pay *anyone* diddly to give a speech. But if ND-Dem Feb 2015 #65
And you're not alone, far from it. BeanMusical Feb 2015 #81
With my sub-zero net worth and sporadic income, it's not going to happen. hunter Feb 2015 #19
What I have to do for $300,000 JEB Feb 2015 #20
work for five years Doctor_J Feb 2015 #24
Probably take me 8 years JEB Feb 2015 #25
what's crudite, and is it a deal breaker do you think? Doctor_J Feb 2015 #21
lol, because veggie platter is soooo middle class! whereisjustice Feb 2015 #23
and here I thought it was ite ... GeorgeGist Feb 2015 #240
Clinton doesn’t have to wait “for these folks to get their act together.” whereisjustice Feb 2015 #22
God forbid you should try to understand a tight speaking schedule Hekate Feb 2015 #119
i wonder who they are, those folks who take so long to get their act together, and where ND-Dem Feb 2015 #180
I don't get what the problem is here. Kalidurga Feb 2015 #26
Or the two teleprompters and special podium. After all if you are going to save the middle class whereisjustice Feb 2015 #27
I still don't get it Kalidurga Feb 2015 #28
For $300,000 she can buy her own gd wedges. A rock star can be afforded arrogance. They are not whereisjustice Feb 2015 #31
I am still okay with this. Kalidurga Feb 2015 #34
Yes, of course, Goldman Sachs is OK with it too. I'm glad the lower classes keep you amused. Too bad whereisjustice Feb 2015 #45
I gave up being afraid of the boogey man when I was eight... Kalidurga Feb 2015 #48
! Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #75
Thank you, Kalidurga Hekate Feb 2015 #124
I am not Kali for nuthin nt Kalidurga Feb 2015 #133
heehee Hekate Feb 2015 #138
LOL! whathehell Feb 2015 #153
That is in the ball park for most ex politicians. still_one Feb 2015 #29
Good to know Kalidurga Feb 2015 #32
well, fuck us, do you think she'll make her speeches to anyone who can't afford $300,000 or whereisjustice Feb 2015 #37
It takes money to run in an election still_one Feb 2015 #38
More correctly, it takes money to buy an election. And she's buying this one. whereisjustice Feb 2015 #40
Name a politician who won that didn't have the financial backing in the last 30 years? still_one Feb 2015 #46
"everyone does it" ND-Dem Feb 2015 #66
That's not an answer, that's a sulk. Hekate Feb 2015 #126
For someone who doesn't want to talk to me, you sure are talking to me a lot. I guess ND-Dem Feb 2015 #135
and she's got plenty of it..I loved it when, after her 2008 run, she went around whathehell Feb 2015 #161
Yes, she will. When the time comes she will speak in some big open venue and it will be free. Hekate Feb 2015 #181
"Clinton went to a different part of town and held a fundraiser at a very rich person's home, ND-Dem Feb 2015 #188
...and obtuse Hekate Feb 2015 #189
....name-calling ND-Dem Feb 2015 #190
so ex-president carter gets $50K cause of lack of demand, or what? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #52
Maybe, or might be what he charges. Elizabeth Warren as an example usually doesn't take a fee still_one Feb 2015 #55
what's this about then? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #57
You are right. However, as a Senator, Warren is prohibited from taking speaking fee still_one Feb 2015 #67
"Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders generally do not take speaking fees" whathehell Feb 2015 #157
however, it's apparently because sitting congresspeople have to donate their speaking fees ND-Dem Feb 2015 #167
I just figured that out, thanks still_one Feb 2015 #199
Hey, give her a break, she was in near poverty when she left the White House!!! nt Logical Feb 2015 #33
So poor, her daughter had to work for $600,000 at NBC as a special correspondent to help whereisjustice Feb 2015 #93
yeah, poor chelsea had to go out at a young age to support bill and hill. luckily she was ND-Dem Feb 2015 #106
"Hard Choices: Armani or Versace" whereisjustice Feb 2015 #121
dead broke. merrily Feb 2015 #165
"A computer, mouse, printer and scanner" Takket Feb 2015 #35
We found something jakeXT Feb 2015 #207
That looks like the setup Takket Feb 2015 #214
Saw a clip of her today at wherever she was speaking ... earthside Feb 2015 #36
Yes, she's unbearable. Tone deaf, entitled 1%er who should run as a republican since she whereisjustice Feb 2015 #39
I'm sorry but you made me laugh! elias49 Feb 2015 #122
I'm no fan of HRC and will not vote for her in the primary, but I think KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #210
'Bellowing'? earthside Feb 2015 #211
For me, HRC's laugh sounds like fingernails scraping down a KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #212
+1 F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #221
She is in high demand. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #41
So is Charlie Sheen. I'm pretty sure he gets high fees and wouldn't be a good president. whereisjustice Feb 2015 #47
But Hillary will be president and a good one imho. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #49
Hillary Clinton would be a horrible President. More poverty, more jobs to Asia, higher CEO pay, low whereisjustice Feb 2015 #51
And if she is the nominee will you vote for her? hrmjustin Feb 2015 #53
Does one get kicked out of DU if you say 'no'? earthside Feb 2015 #56
No you don't get kicked out. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #60
No, but we'll send you a special "Jeb for President" sign for your lawn CAG Feb 2015 #64
It's a violation of DU's terms of service, so you take your chances. You also risk a hide. merrily Feb 2015 #169
That would be a no... SidDithers Feb 2015 #201
Interesting. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #208
Do you hate JFK and FDR, too? As I remember, they were pretty rich. Can the rich not allow CAG Feb 2015 #59
JFK and FDR didn't charge $300,000 a speech during time of the worst income disparity in US history whereisjustice Feb 2015 #69
Since both died in office, it's not the same is it? stevenleser Feb 2015 #83
wow - you are insulting JFK & FDR in order to buff up Hillary? That's very third way of you. whereisjustice Feb 2015 #89
Silly. Both JFK and FDR inherited their money from their fathers, grandfathers, and in the case of Hekate Feb 2015 #142
Silly and non-sequitur is the OP's m.o. where Hillary is concerned stevenleser Feb 2015 #163
It's almost like he's got a meme-generator that flags words and riffs off them randomly Hekate Feb 2015 #186
did truman inherit a wad from daddy too? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #172
:crickets: BeanMusical Feb 2015 #191
doubt it. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #170
What you doubt is not the issue. Hillarys fees are not out of line with other stevenleser Feb 2015 #171
they're nearly double the next front runner. i saw the list. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #173
It all sounds pretty ordinary to me bhikkhu Feb 2015 #62
I'd totally pay if Trey wasn't playing lead guitar Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #63
Hillafarian pill heads paying $300,000 to hear her lip sync and pander... whereisjustice Feb 2015 #73
Well, we will have a primary season, won't we. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #79
Papa Paul whores,,,,, Cryptoad Feb 2015 #72
I may dislike Hillary, but DonCoquixote Feb 2015 #76
THE GREEN M&M IS THE BEST ONE! Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #80
Great--now I have to remember that thread of fail. nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #197
Beastie Boys demanded removal of all the blue M &M's. merrily Feb 2015 #168
OMG the horror ! obnoxiousdrunk Feb 2015 #85
Most speakers of her notariety expect certain things. But I do have a question rpannier Feb 2015 #86
Still water as in "don't make waves". A Democrat only a conservative would love. whereisjustice Feb 2015 #90
I wish we still had DUzy's cuz that is funny rpannier Feb 2015 #92
You're on a roll tonight! Lol! sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #103
Still water is not sparkling water. Beaverhausen Feb 2015 #94
Ah rpannier Feb 2015 #96
still water is typically found in swamps. mosquitoes breed in still water. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #104
Still water comes out of the tap. Beaverhausen Feb 2015 #140
If it's coming out of a tap, it's moving, not still. If it's moving through pipes, it's moving. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #141
Are you serious? Beaverhausen Feb 2015 #145
are you serious? you don't know what still water is? (sorry, i refuse to be so puerile as ND-Dem Feb 2015 #147
Tap and other non-carbonated water is still water. tammywammy Feb 2015 #152
That's what passes as debate and a point from that crowd. Nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #166
Hipster speak. You and I would call it... GeorgeGist Feb 2015 #241
That's also funny rpannier Feb 2015 #249
Are you under the impression that everyone attending the speech Beaverhausen Feb 2015 #98
who pays for a speech given to students at a university? unless some private party made ND-Dem Feb 2015 #102
The university has a budget for speakers Beaverhausen Feb 2015 #107
Where do you think that budget money comes from? Unless it comes from some billionaire's ND-Dem Feb 2015 #115
Should universities not have speakers? Beaverhausen Feb 2015 #128
Moving the goalposts now? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #134
No I'm not. Beaverhausen Feb 2015 #143
you didn't answer the question i asked you. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #148
Poster pretends to not know that universities have major funders and endowments for such things Hekate Feb 2015 #155
Students see speakers for free at my school. tammywammy Feb 2015 #158
I did specify "little or nothing" for the students. UCSB has a terrific Arts & Lectures program.... Hekate Feb 2015 #176
I love the speakers they bring in at my school. tammywammy Feb 2015 #179
Go as often as you can. It's great exposure for you. Hekate Feb 2015 #183
well, i suppose we'd have to check out each university individually to see exactly where ND-Dem Feb 2015 #192
Riders also tend to include weird requests. joshcryer Feb 2015 #123
Hillary is selling future favors for $300,000. The 1% are buying future favors for $300,000. That's whereisjustice Feb 2015 #105
If you didn't know it before, you know it now: your OP is complete bullshit. onenote Feb 2015 #248
What misleading Bullshit. There's backers and there's voters, and they're not the same. Hekate Feb 2015 #108
#accurate... Agschmid Feb 2015 #130
she's 5'7". not exactly 'short' for a woman. she's a couple of inches taller than the US average ND-Dem Feb 2015 #184
Its even more bullshit than that. Her speech was funded by a University endowment onenote Feb 2015 #226
This message was self-deleted by its author onenote Feb 2015 #228
the truth hurts olddots Feb 2015 #109
Salt of the Earth. Worth watching. JEB Feb 2015 #112
+1000 DeSwiss Feb 2015 #125
Yep, blacklisted. JEB Feb 2015 #136
I think most of the people in the film were non-professionals. But Grandpa Walton was in it. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #177
Thanks for the info. JEB Feb 2015 #225
I watched it some time ago. zeemike Feb 2015 #149
HRC - An Economic Royalist At Heart cantbeserious Feb 2015 #154
Pillows and chairs and water, oh my. Jamastiene Feb 2015 #187
I don't mind her getting paid for speaking, but I sure mind the quid pro quo. Scuba Feb 2015 #193
What quid pro quo brooklynite Feb 2015 #194
Bwahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Sure, Goldman and Citi pay her to fill seats. Yeah, that's it. Scuba Feb 2015 #195
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2015 #234
Do you think there was a quid pro quo for her speaking at UCLA onenote Feb 2015 #247
Don't kid yourself. There's always a quid pro quo. Scuba Feb 2015 #252
what was Kofi Annan's? onenote Feb 2015 #253
I wonder what Bernie would demand. Dawgs Feb 2015 #200
Tap water in a paper cup, a crust of dry bread, a hard bench, a light shining in his eyes. Hekate Feb 2015 #242
No problem with this what so ever Godhumor Feb 2015 #202
IMO, it's unfortunate for Democrats and Americans in general that ladjf Feb 2015 #205
*THUD*... SidDithers Feb 2015 #206
By comparison. Savannahmann Feb 2015 #213
Where is reality, whereisjustice? randome Feb 2015 #215
When you have to distort to make your point, you probably don't have a point worth making onenote Feb 2015 #219
Thanks for the facts Beaverhausen Feb 2015 #236
Oh, facts. OP and Echo are impervious to them; it must be their superpower. Hekate Feb 2015 #244
Thank you! betsuni Feb 2015 #255
Your concern is noted. wyldwolf Feb 2015 #222
That fee pales in comparison to some celebrity fee's.... Historic NY Feb 2015 #223
Al Gore, $100,000-150,000 wyldwolf Feb 2015 #224
All celebrities have "riders" of some sort bigwillq Feb 2015 #227
One more time for clarity 's sake: the $300,000 was paid out of an endowment. Tickets were free onenote Feb 2015 #230
...The speech was a fundraiser. Tickets cost $100 and up. Attendance was about 1800 because ND-Dem Feb 2015 #237
Correct. A fundraiser for UCLA, not Clinton. onenote Feb 2015 #246
Yes. A real "middle class hero"!!! LMAOF!!!! mylye2222 Feb 2015 #233
Um, okay, Hil KamaAina Feb 2015 #235
+1 whereisjustice Feb 2015 #254
dragging up an article from Nov. of last year I see OKNancy Feb 2015 #239
Does one have to her as YRH (Your Royal Highness)? hifiguy Feb 2015 #245
Because we need overpaid Wall Street shills stumping for overpaid Wall Street CEOs, Hillary whereisjustice Feb 2015 #251
How come they always refer to the middle class but akbacchus_BC Feb 2015 #258
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