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HeiressofBickworth

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41. It doesn't matter how you dress it, a pig is a pig

Sat Mar 7, 2015, 04:47 AM

Mar 2015

Draft/conscription is involuntary servitude (slavery).

Congress can pretend it's fair, equal, blah, blah, blah. It's still military slavery.

When you are owned, body, mind and restricted activity, you are a slave. And when in the military THEY OWN YOU.

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Ya Know... I'm Re-Thinking My Views On A Military Draft... And I Want A Lottery... Like Vietnam... [View all] WillyT Mar 2015 OP

So long as we pick up where we left off in '73 Scootaloo Mar 2015 #1

So... drafting 60 year olds? Thor_MN Mar 2015 #68

Sure. They're pretty universally hte only ones who WANT a draft, it seems Scootaloo Mar 2015 #69

101st Hoverround Batallion... GummyBearz Mar 2015 #72

no thank you--that would be me my number was 14 dembotoz Mar 2015 #82

Eh, just volunteer & don't thank others for their service n/t UTUSN Mar 2015 #2

that's what Rep. John Conyers has advocated for some years now. grasswire Mar 2015 #3

And I Whole-Heartedly Agree WillyT Mar 2015 #9

What war did the draft prevent? former9thward Mar 2015 #63

This question should have been the Thread Ender. n/t cherokeeprogressive Mar 2015 #73

They never have an answer for that one, I've noticed Scootaloo Mar 2015 #84

I think you mean Charles Rangle jaysunb Mar 2015 #16

Both Charlie Rangel and John Conyers have articulated similar views on the topic. MADem Mar 2015 #32

oh yes, you are right. grasswire Mar 2015 #35

But that's why we ended the draft -- because it made it too easy to supply hundreds of thousands pnwmom Mar 2015 #42

A brilliant general named Giap and the forces under his command may have had something KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #75

Why would anyone think this congress would pass a fair and equitable draft? Why not work towards uppityperson Mar 2015 #4

The Constitution never provided for a standing army. former9thward Mar 2015 #64

And that would be how to lose the youth vote. n/t PoliticAverse Mar 2015 #5

That IS The Point... It's Politicallt Untenable... Yet... WillyT Mar 2015 #10

so long as someone else does the actual fighting and dying... ND-Dem Mar 2015 #36

Which is totally insane. avebury Mar 2015 #62

Are we a war like people? ileus Mar 2015 #6

Ask George... WillyT Mar 2015 #11

This dumb draftee is against it but the late Colonel Hackworth had some thoughts on a citizens' army Brother Buzz Mar 2015 #7

And they tend to want to get the war over as soon as possible and go home. n/t PoliticAverse Mar 2015 #12

That is an amazing quote. I'll keep that one. Thanks. Lochloosa Mar 2015 #14

Great quote ! jaysunb Mar 2015 #17

But, but Rumsfeld told us dumb draftees, we added no value, no advantage, to the armed services Brother Buzz Mar 2015 #24

Salute !! jaysunb Mar 2015 #25

I'd like to second Agent Mike's counsel and add how glad I am KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #76

Hackworth. Hmmmm. I'm sure the Boorda family has some things to say about that guy, MADem Mar 2015 #33

Boorda? The guy who wore combat ribbons he didn't earn? riderinthestorm Mar 2015 #50

What do you mean, RIBBONS? MADem Mar 2015 #51

+10 ND-Dem Mar 2015 #37

Not me...... GP6971 Mar 2015 #8

Lottery caused me to 'enlist to avoid the draft' probably not quite right to say volunteer HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #18

That is what my brother did CountAllVotes Mar 2015 #55

maybe not just like back then dsc Mar 2015 #13

No more fuel for the fires. Choke the oxygen off to nothing. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #15

Money and power don't need oxygen to burn - elias49 Mar 2015 #20

They need bodies and tech though. Tie those hands up by any and all means. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #43

A little Gibbon for the Empire. . . Journeyman Mar 2015 #19

Drafts are generally a way to throw poor and middle class kids into battle. Oneironaut Mar 2015 #21

You think poor and middle class kids aren't in battle now? Ever heard of "the economic draft"? ND-Dem Mar 2015 #38

AKA: The "poverty draft" - nt KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #77

Institute a war tax and a limit on war profits for the MIC too. neverforget Mar 2015 #22

you first ... MisterP Mar 2015 #23

Stop drinking or drink more... lame54 Mar 2015 #26

The rich will never send their own children. Warpy Mar 2015 #27

Well... Then Let's Just Give Up On The System... Democracy Is On Life-Support... Close To Death... WillyT Mar 2015 #28

Miliitary conscription is not a Democratic value Warpy Mar 2015 #29

As Long As The Moneyed/Powerful Class Can Propagandize The Masses For War... WillyT Mar 2015 #30

Charlie Rangel has been trying to reinstate the draft since the Iraq War began. Renew Deal Mar 2015 #39

It's a 'republican' one, though (emphasis on the lower-case 'r'). - nt KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #78

Not quite true, but close yeoman6987 Mar 2015 #57

There was a peace time draft after WWII.... Historic NY Mar 2015 #31

"and more than 10 million signed up" - I don't think you understand "the draft". Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #70

It was a very bizarre choice of words, so good on you to flag it. Perhaps this KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #79

Yes I understand it....and yes they were drafted...signing up also mean registering.. Historic NY Mar 2015 #86

oh so your numbers are way off and you still have a problem. Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #87

hahaha! Marxizm Mar 2015 #34

80% of volunteers get turned away these days madville Mar 2015 #40

It doesn't matter how you dress it, a pig is a pig HeiressofBickworth Mar 2015 #41

I wouldn't volunteer, if I were you. pintobean Mar 2015 #45

Anyone who thinks that our government cares what we think about war is seriously delusional. djean111 Mar 2015 #44

I would LWolf Mar 2015 #46

Your post makes me very sad. It describes the milieu where I grew up (southwestern KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #80

It's really simple. LWolf Mar 2015 #83

Define "EVERYBODY" n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2015 #47

Absent surprize attack, War Powers should reside in the hands of those of service age. Thor_MN Mar 2015 #48

WWII exposed people of all classes and backgrounds to one another Algernon Moncrieff Mar 2015 #49

Those segregated units did a lot for social changes for the black draftees Brother Buzz Mar 2015 #52

The editorial that was allowed to run in Stars & Stripes, I think, began a lot of change here Algernon Moncrieff Mar 2015 #54

Jackie Robinson's 'Rosa Parks' moment is a good illustration that people can wrap their heard around Brother Buzz Mar 2015 #58

I agree with Col. Wilkerson fredamae Mar 2015 #53

So you want a significantly larger military hack89 Mar 2015 #56

Not this draft bullshit again Lurks Often Mar 2015 #59

Support our boys in Canada - Bumper sticker from the '60s. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2015 #60

Which war did a draft prevent? Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #61

IMO the Vietnam war would have lasted longer elias49 Mar 2015 #66

Prevent. Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #67

Because Vietnam was totally AWESOME. GREAT music. Orsino Mar 2015 #65

what disappointing thread this is. Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #71

Well, I get the notion that military service should be egalitarian... Orsino Mar 2015 #74

Um, the Union used military conscription during the U.S. Civil War (and so did KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #81

Worth what and to whom? Orsino Mar 2015 #85

WRT to the Civil War, John Brown on the eve of his execution said it best: KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #88