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blm

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Thu Mar 12, 2015, 11:52 AM Mar 2015

I'm gonna say it: I think cops could have been shot by RW agitators [View all]

Last edited Fri Mar 13, 2015, 09:18 AM - Edit history (4)

The shots didn't come from the crowd of protestors, they came from a sniper some distance away. That would be much more typical behavior from someone with a plan than someone who became heated at a protest.

RW agitators have been hoping for and preparing for and agitating for a 'race-war' that they have been touting for decades now. The rhetoric and fear-mongering has increased GREATLY over the last 6 years.

They were getting frustrated over the peaceful protests, annoyed by Selma remembrances, angry over the DOJ report that unveiled the institutionalized racism more clearly, and they want the country to see the protestors as the 'dangerous threat' to white Americans, just like they do. And, of course, Barack Obama is leading the black militants and planning to give YOUR white-man's property to the blacks.

Who do you think has been responsible for record gun sales the last 6 years?

Who are police chiefs across the country confirming is the greatest threat to law officers' personal safety? FBI, DHS, and Police chiefs don't think it is absurd to include the possibility of RW extremists in police shootings.

ADD:
http://www.start.umd.edu/news/sovereign-citizen-movement-perceived-top-terrorist-threat

Sovereign citizen movement perceived as top terrorist threat

New study assesses top threats, preparedness among law enforcement

July 30, 2014
Sovereign citizen, Islamist extremist and militia/patriot groups are perceived by law enforcement agencies to pose the greatest threats to their communities, according to a new START study. While sovereign citizens were the top concern of law enforcement, assessments about whether most groups were a serious terrorist threat actually declined for most groups (e.g., the KKK; Christian Identity; Neo-Nazis; Racist Skinheads; Environmental Extremists; Animal Rights Extremists) when compared to a previous study.

START researchers David Carter, Steven Chermak, Jeremy Carter and Jack Drew recently conducted in-depth surveys with more than 364 officers representing 175 state, local and tribal (SLT) law enforcement agencies to examine perceptions of: the threat of terrorism; the nature of information-sharing; and whether agencies are prepared to deal with terrorist attacks. Their results are published in “Understanding Law Enforcement Intelligence Processes,” available on START’s website.

The Sovereign Citizen movement was the most highly ranked threat, with 86 percent of respondents agreeing or strongly agreeing that it was a serious terrorist threat. This is a significant increase in ranking from an earlier survey implemented in 2006-2007, which showed Islamist extremists to be law enforcement’s top concern at the time. In that survey, approximately 67 percent agreed or strongly agreed that Islamist extremists were a serious terrorist threat
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http://www.standard.net/Police/2014/06/17/Police-wary-of-becoming-targets-of-radicals

http://www.policechiefmagazine.org/magazine/index.cfm?fuseaction=display_arch&article_id=2862&issue_id=22013

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/11/25/sovereign-citizens-are-america-s-top-cop-killers.html

http://gawker.com/5912132/are-you-prepared-for-the-race-war

http://abcnews.go.com/US/white-separatist-claims-make-america/story?id=21466004

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/04/new_black_panthers_booted_suited_and_armed_for_coming_race_war.html

http://conservative-headlines.com/2014/12/major-black-power-group-tells-members-to-spend-2015-preparing-for-race-war/

https://books.google.com/books?id=r59bGyH4lOAC&pg=PA267&lpg=PA267&dq=RW+separatists+preparing+for+race+war&source=bl&ots=E78Lfmo3Bq&sig=MgZDoywiJGIL99hTBEov_9xkPqg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=lrQBVffTK4mLNoeVgvAM&ved=0CFYQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q&f=false

Link to DHS Report: http://fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf
Link to ADL chart: http://blog.adl.org/extremism/officers-down-right-wing-extremists-attacking-police-at-growing-rate

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Unrec for pure speculation. FSogol Mar 2015 #1
Agree. nt cwydro Mar 2015 #2
It clearly says "I think" and "could have been" blm Mar 2015 #5
"I think" it "could have been" Donald Duck. See legitimate back up links below: FSogol Mar 2015 #14
Can you admit that the top cop-killers today are RW extremists? blm Mar 2015 #17
If you think most cops are killed by RW extremists you're not looking living in reality davidsilver Mar 2015 #432
The criminals aren't TARGETING the LEO's as prey. RW extremists are. blm Mar 2015 #441
Yeah, but it wasn't Donald Duck or African Americans who had their sights on LEOs at the Bundy ranch notadmblnd Mar 2015 #145
Context matters, though. Adrahil Mar 2015 #428
it certainly appears to have inflamed you and a couple of other here. notadmblnd Mar 2015 #436
Wish I could remember Duval Mar 2015 #152
Of course it’s only specularion.. busterbrown Mar 2015 #52
I didn't report anything, but other than that, you are correct. The OP expressed himself and so did FSogol Mar 2015 #63
I stated “you didn’t report anything" busterbrown Mar 2015 #78
Reasonable Roy Rolling Mar 2015 #460
They are welcome to present counter studies and reports to back up their attack. blm Mar 2015 #69
Requesting further help on 'greatest threat' assertion chknltl Mar 2015 #229
DHS Report. Police chiefs based their article and current training guidelines on it, too. blm Mar 2015 #243
Heading to dig there now, thanks again blm. n/t chknltl Mar 2015 #244
fas link: http://fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf blm Mar 2015 #246
Having tech issues here... chknltl Mar 2015 #317
^^^This x 1000^^^ BlueCaliDem Mar 2015 #80
They also do it here. Rex Mar 2015 #101
I've noticed. It's not beneath them to lie and cheat in order to further their BlueCaliDem Mar 2015 #179
+1 You nailed it. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #350
right on, Rex SCantiGOP Mar 2015 #469
I think too the ability to hide behind a wall of anonymity helps bolster some Rex Mar 2015 #473
Yes, to your last sentence. It's not like we are forming domestic US policy here, lol. closeupready Mar 2015 #475
Reckless I tells you! Every word we write here effects entire civilzations! Rex Mar 2015 #476
I also considered the possibility. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #349
yep 840high Mar 2015 #82
There would be no such speculation about cops IF they had not earned the distrust of the people sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #89
The fact that that police department sucks has nothing to do with the speculation exhibited in FSogol Mar 2015 #106
And the fact that the cops tried to tie the incident to the protesters immediately sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #120
Not true. I agree that the shots didn't come from the protesters. My opinion is not based on FSogol Mar 2015 #129
Right Wing groups and cops are natural allies. Many cops belong to these groups. sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #148
I don't understand why you are preaching this to me. I said skip the speculation let's get some FSogol Mar 2015 #160
You admonished the OP for speculating. People responded to your admonishment sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #175
Here's some speculation: was the original investigation into Mike Brown's extra-judicial execution KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #241
Yes, you make a very good point davidsilver Mar 2015 #435
I don't think most cops are aligned with RW extremists as much blm Mar 2015 #459
I didn't blame - I said it COULD HAVE HAPPENED and based blm Mar 2015 #360
There was a time when you wouldn't see that kind of speculation, people have wised up NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #122
I don't think anyone believes the protesters were responsible for the shootings. n/t FSogol Mar 2015 #131
Well if it was a sniper, he wasn't a good shot. notadmblnd Mar 2015 #155
I agree with your last sentence. A good sniper would be able to do that. sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #163
one would think that seriously injured officers would spend more than several hours in the hospital notadmblnd Mar 2015 #169
Yes, exactly. n/t sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #477
well, how long would they stay based on the reported injuries? CreekDog Mar 2015 #478
Again, one would think that SERIOUSLY injured officers would spend more than several hours notadmblnd Mar 2015 #481
The round entered his head just under his right eye pintobean Mar 2015 #190
Both of them are out of the hospital. I repeated what news reports sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #207
"civilians are shot and killed on an alarmingly frequent basis in this country" pintobean Mar 2015 #251
Oh, you are talking about regular criminals who murder people every day. I was talking about those sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #337
Unrec... Rex Mar 2015 #121
So, what you are saying is that public playgrounds shouldn't have see-saws.... FSogol Mar 2015 #171
Exactly! Rex Mar 2015 #202
Until a thorough investigation is completed... gregcrawford Mar 2015 #126
UPDATE gregcrawford Mar 2015 #214
Thanks for the perspective. blm Mar 2015 #365
ADL report includes a graphic chart on increased targeting of LEO blm Mar 2015 #266
That chart is fucked up. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2015 #417
not counting Las Vegas, Penn, Florida and Texas. blm Mar 2015 #418
Typical ADL BS. davidsilver Mar 2015 #439
What's wrong with pure speculation when you are speculating? Isn't that done quite a lot on DU? Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #146
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #340
Studies don't call them Republicans, either. Nor did I. blm Mar 2015 #345
Thing is liberalmike27 Mar 2015 #472
I love the 'sniper' meme B2G Mar 2015 #3
Police chiefs agree that RW extremists are the greatest threat to their personal safety. blm Mar 2015 #8
I just read the entire article at your police chief mag link and could find virgogal Mar 2015 #143
hich I think, would require a degree of accuracy not common to the ordinary protester. LanternWaste Mar 2015 #51
Texas sharpshooter fallacy jberryhill Mar 2015 #74
And yet, that is exactly what protesters, eye witnesses were tweeting last night. sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #157
Exactly....I believe we all can agree this is what happened. ileus Mar 2015 #4
Maybe not exactly, but, definitely could have been. blm Mar 2015 #18
Okay then. This is our reality. pintobean Mar 2015 #42
We went there with the Boston Bombing and looked like fools. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #6
I didn't go there. Save the 'we' for those who did. My basis is police chief report. blm Mar 2015 #12
Sniper shooting by definition, if the shooter(s) not close by. I agree. This isn't a meme, just leveymg Mar 2015 #7
The OP isn't really about snipers. It's about Right Wingers. Bonx Mar 2015 #11
It's about the possibility of RW snipers. leveymg Mar 2015 #13
Sure, could be. Could be ISIS too. 7962 Mar 2015 #166
FBI and DHS put RW extremists ahead of ISIS as actual threats here. blm Mar 2015 #183
Yep. Could have been the ghost of Jesse James. Too early to rule anything out. Bonx Mar 2015 #185
Eye witness reported the source as "500 feet away up the hill." There was another report that leveymg Mar 2015 #200
Thanks - and here's the FAS link to DHS report being questioned: blm Mar 2015 #249
MSNBC just reported "muzzle flashes seen 100 to 200 yards away up the hill." leveymg Mar 2015 #272
Graphic chart from ADL on increase in cop shootings by RW blm Mar 2015 #275
You probably nailed it on the macro level. leveymg Mar 2015 #278
'ambush' is exactly what has been happening to LEO's - blm Mar 2015 #285
This appears to have been a sniper attack, not an ambush. See my comments #284 below. leveymg Mar 2015 #287
Yes, I just didn't see it as an impetuous act of a protestor blm Mar 2015 #294
The distance and accuracy indicates it was rifle(s), probably with scope(s). leveymg Mar 2015 #297
It wasn't a rifle. Probably a pistol caliber carbine. sir pball Mar 2015 #325
It struck me as a planned shot - blm Mar 2015 #329
Oh, it was absolutely planned, agree 100% sir pball Mar 2015 #336
Glad to hear your perspective... blm Mar 2015 #338
At this point I'd like to know the caliber of the shots fired & if they can tell the type weapon 7962 Mar 2015 #276
I agree on all that. leveymg Mar 2015 #284
I think some people have a tendency to want to blame the opposition cali Mar 2015 #9
Recent police chief report says RW extremist are the GREATEST threat facing officers today. blm Mar 2015 #15
are you confused? that is decidedly NOT evidence for your CT theory. Your post belongs in cali Mar 2015 #57
So, according to you, good investigators would immediately strike down blm Mar 2015 #79
uh no. I said nothing of the sort. and you sure as shit wouldn't make a decent investigator cali Mar 2015 #99
No - I clearly stated that it COULD HAVE BEEN - blm Mar 2015 #118
Wow. lol - your authoritarian bias is really strong in this thread. blm did NOT make a decision closeupready Mar 2015 #127
If by Logic 101 you mean Logical Fallacies 101, then you're right. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #130
What are you, her mother? Cali can respond to my post as she sees fit. As for you, closeupready Mar 2015 #133
No, just someone who's familiar enough with her posting history NuclearDem Mar 2015 #135
I have 3x your post volume and 6 years on membership here at DU. Thus, I know better closeupready Mar 2015 #137
I don't particularly care for e-penis waving. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #138
Thanks for THAT mental picture! That was a good laugh, N.D. 7962 Mar 2015 #279
then you damned well know better than to make that accusation. repugnant to make false claims. cali Mar 2015 #144
There is something terribly wrong with your reading comprehension then. cui bono Mar 2015 #424
Great. Thanks for your post. Welcome to my ignore list. closeupready Mar 2015 #468
you're familiar enough with my posts to know that sticking up for the authorities cali Mar 2015 #142
and you concluded that my consideration blm Mar 2015 #221
His thinking is 100% logical! I am a professional logician, and can attest to that fact. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #182
lol. no, it's my bias against thories that are devised to fit preferred narratives. cali Mar 2015 #139
I see. So attempts to instigate race wars has never happened in your universe? closeupready Mar 2015 #161
'preferred' narratives or considered narratives based on DHS report? blm Mar 2015 #225
That's EXACTLY WHY he is speculating! Did he say he KNOWS it was a RWer? NO. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #173
Where is the report that says that they are the GREATEST threat? virgogal Mar 2015 #320
Ya know…. blm Mar 2015 #328
Speculation doesn't require evidence. And I find nothing wrong with his speculation. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #168
Off-hand I doubt it. Yo_Mama Mar 2015 #10
And your suspicion could be correct. I gave a base for my suspicion blm Mar 2015 #40
You mean his speculation, right? Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #186
The Black Bloc is mainly into property damage starroute Mar 2015 #47
snipers + protestors...where have i heard that before...??? nashville_brook Mar 2015 #479
Were the two cops wounded by broken glass and spraypaint? stone space Mar 2015 #84
agreed JawJaw Mar 2015 #16
Ridiculous. Beausoir Mar 2015 #19
Who did DHS and police chiefs group name as their TOP threats? blm Mar 2015 #39
I can't believe you think that's evidence for your little theory. It ain't. not close. cali Mar 2015 #61
So FBI agents and investigators should immediately cross extremists off the list blm Mar 2015 #96
one more time, blm: I never said any such thing. pathetic attempt to shy away from producing cali Mar 2015 #102
They're in the DHS report the articles are referring to. blm Mar 2015 #125
Some cops are killed by RW extremists, NuclearDem Mar 2015 #128
No one said that, but you. blm Mar 2015 #132
That's what you're implying. phil89 Mar 2015 #346
LOL - Apparently, she hasn't. blm Mar 2015 #352
. Rex Mar 2015 #224
I didn't tell you to roll over. Bad Rex! NuclearDem Mar 2015 #227
Sorry but your weak attempt at a reply left me laughing so hard I fell down! Rex Mar 2015 #234
Someone on this thread is having some kind of breakdown. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #188
in your world heaven05 Mar 2015 #158
Where is this sniper on a hill coming from? B2G Mar 2015 #20
He's not coming from a hill, he's coming from a grassy knoll, silly./NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #21
Lol. I've actually been waitng for that. nt B2G Mar 2015 #23
You may think that's hilarious, but, my suspicion is in line with police chiefs' report. blm Mar 2015 #25
Well, if your theory is proven correct I will apologize./NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #26
I'm basing it on statistics gathered by DHS and police chiefs. Whether it proves blm Mar 2015 #31
no. it is not in line with that report. cali Mar 2015 #66
Geez - last month's summit on terrorism included domestic terrorism. blm Mar 2015 #115
you're doing just fine heaven05 Mar 2015 #170
I didn't say they did it - I inserted the possibility blm Mar 2015 #180
exactly heaven05 Mar 2015 #319
are all these attacks heaven05 Mar 2015 #164
There are many here who think the purpose of a discussion site is to "mock" villager Mar 2015 #97
I give you a +1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000! Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #191
I thought it was from that book suppository building? VScott Mar 2015 #34
Suppository! cwydro Mar 2015 #44
Yep, and it was from pretty far VScott Mar 2015 #53
I first heard 'hill' on morning news - I changed it to some distance blm Mar 2015 #22
A more likely scenario is that B2G Mar 2015 #24
What is wild about the statistics from DHS and police chiefs? blm Mar 2015 #27
please provide those statistics. And it's wild speculation because you have NO evidence. cali Mar 2015 #68
I didn't say there was evidence on this killing - I referred to studies blm Mar 2015 #198
We often refer to our own speculation as "more likely"... LanternWaste Mar 2015 #56
Most of the damn fools I know are RWers. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #193
link: JawJaw Mar 2015 #41
There's no link. nt B2G Mar 2015 #55
apologies JawJaw Mar 2015 #75
Probably a redneck with an AR/AK nt Matrosov Mar 2015 #28
The police are reporting they think the shooter used a handgun. Glassunion Mar 2015 #43
He must have good aim Matrosov Mar 2015 #65
How good does your aim have to be in order to shoot into a crowd and hit someone in the crowd? jberryhill Mar 2015 #85
It would be the unlucky lottery Glassunion Mar 2015 #242
This assumes the shooter was attempting to hit someone in the first place jberryhill Mar 2015 #292
True Glassunion Mar 2015 #307
That's straight up jberryhill Mar 2015 #342
Sir Pball is most likely correct. Glassunion Mar 2015 #363
I appreciate the additional perspective... blm Mar 2015 #380
Pretty good if shooting with a handgun at +100 yards Matrosov Mar 2015 #286
The problem is that we do not know what the shooter was attempting to accomplish jberryhill Mar 2015 #293
Handgun caliber carbine, most likely. sir pball Mar 2015 #326
That's exactly what I was thinking. Glassunion Mar 2015 #358
Yep. sir pball Mar 2015 #366
I'm still thinking that it's a R'winger. Glassunion Mar 2015 #368
I totally agree. sir pball Mar 2015 #371
Don't forget that dude here in PA with the deer rifle. Glassunion Mar 2015 #373
Was he a winger? sir pball Mar 2015 #376
Yes, he was - and used the ambush style. Laid in wait. blm Mar 2015 #381
That's core to the entire winger mentality. sir pball Mar 2015 #385
Yeah. Glassunion Mar 2015 #415
I think that would be a convenient thing to believe to fit the narrative we all want. Kurska Mar 2015 #29
I offered the prospect on the STATISTICS used by DHS and police chiefs blm Mar 2015 #46
And that doesn't prove anything about who did it this time. Kurska Mar 2015 #49
First - I didn't say it's already proven. I offered the possibility based on DHS stats blm Mar 2015 #88
It is also possible they were shot by ISIS or North Korean infiltrators. Kurska Mar 2015 #92
Were ISIS and NK infiltrators ahead of US extremists DHS' list of copkillers? blm Mar 2015 #123
How far behind RW extremist was number 2? and three? nt hack89 Mar 2015 #302
Here's a link to study you might be interested in…. blm Mar 2015 #367
It says nothing about threats to police hack89 Mar 2015 #369
Reports I've been seeing consistently point directly at anti-government crowd. blm Mar 2015 #386
What group(s) are actually shooting police? hack89 Mar 2015 #390
RW extremists operating as individuals or lone wolves. blm Mar 2015 #393
You have posted nothing on RW terrorist actually shooting cops hack89 Mar 2015 #395
Bill Moyers Aug2014: blm Mar 2015 #399
So a very small percentage of cop killings involved domestic terrorists hack89 Mar 2015 #402
there aren't that many cop shootings and cop killings…. blm Mar 2015 #403
One out of fifty annually according to your post hack89 Mar 2015 #406
It's increased in recent years. blm Mar 2015 #407
Common criminals kill more cops than any other group hack89 Mar 2015 #411
Common criminals are not HUNTING the cops they encounter. blm Mar 2015 #412
That is a meaningless question hack89 Mar 2015 #413
No - I said there have been more recently - and the numbers Moyers blm Mar 2015 #414
You said there have been more but you refuse to provide any evidence or numbers hack89 Mar 2015 #416
Go look them up, Las Vegas, Texas, Penn, Florida - You're just effin around at this point. blm Mar 2015 #419
Your claim. Your burden of proof. hack89 Mar 2015 #425
Then you are not reading the links and haven't watched news in the past year. blm Mar 2015 #431
You provided the links demonstrating how rarely RW terrorists shoot cops. hack89 Mar 2015 #433
They are the only ones TARGETING LEO's. blm Mar 2015 #443
You want to ignore the vast majority of cop killings hack89 Mar 2015 #450
Baloney. Situational shootings and TARGETED shootings aren't the same and blm Mar 2015 #452
Dead is dead. Split hairs all you want but terrorists are the least of a cops daily threats. nt hack89 Mar 2015 #453
From your link Lurker Deluxe Mar 2015 #461
and then Texas, Florida and Pennsylvania ambushes happened soon after... blm Mar 2015 #462
Please link these ambushes you keep speaking of. Lurker Deluxe Mar 2015 #464
Seriously? blm Mar 2015 #465
uh, no STATISTICS there. far from it. cali Mar 2015 #71
DHS Report on domestic terrorism, cali. Ever heard of it? blm Mar 2015 #134
no statics there either Lurker Deluxe Mar 2015 #149
Pretty sure I posted links... blm Mar 2015 #189
Look Lurker Deluxe Mar 2015 #238
DHS Report. blm Mar 2015 #245
It does not say they are the number one threat. hack89 Mar 2015 #303
that was the 2009 report that was the original basis…. blm Mar 2015 #318
No statistics Lurker Deluxe Mar 2015 #370
precisely. I hate that shit. cali Mar 2015 #70
I would not doubt that. n/t Jamastiene Mar 2015 #30
I think it was the Semiconscious Liberation Army Codeine Mar 2015 #32
I'll wait for the facts. romanic Mar 2015 #33
gun nuts going nuts with guns mwrguy Mar 2015 #35
I don't know, but is it possible - well in Nevada last year, those two were far right-wing agitators closeupready Mar 2015 #36
They are also dismissing the reports of DHS and police chief groups blm Mar 2015 #59
Don't worry - most of those who've chimed in with one-liners are the same ones closeupready Mar 2015 #93
my first thought Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #37
That was my first thought as well.... chillfactor Mar 2015 #38
the rw is clearly at fault and they could have done this to increase gun sales samsingh Mar 2015 #45
Honestly - packman Mar 2015 #48
JURY RESULTS: A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2015 #50
Jury gets another one wrong, as an anonymous "please!" is quite persuasive. closeupready Mar 2015 #54
A lot of effort went into that alert. pintobean Mar 2015 #58
A lot of work went into that alert, please! FSogol Mar 2015 #64
I'm alerting on this. pintobean Mar 2015 #77
You'll have to wait your turn, I suspect. Thanks though, I find the hide funny. FSogol Mar 2015 #86
Incredibly stupid alert. LOTS of that going around. nt ChisolmTrailDem Mar 2015 #113
ALERT ABUSE. Someone wants DU to shut up off all conversation except official announcements. leveymg Mar 2015 #295
Creative speculation. nt OnyxCollie Mar 2015 #60
You can bet the FBI is "creatively speculating" too. That's their job. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #199
Let's hope they use the appropriate forum (creative speculation) for such tasks. nt OnyxCollie Mar 2015 #404
4 out of 5 weak, timid minds agree. Dreamer Tatum Mar 2015 #62
Oh dear. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #67
It's speculation. Having said that, rightwingers are generally quicker to resort to violence to try GoneFishin Mar 2015 #72
Or maybe it was the cops who shot their own to make the protesters look bad. cali Mar 2015 #73
It was the cops, but as fake as the moon landing. pintobean Mar 2015 #83
So cops are a bigger danger to cops than sovereign citizens or ISIS? Talk about absurd logic. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #204
Cops should at least be open to this possibility... perdita9 Mar 2015 #76
You WANT it be by a RW agitators because it fits your bias Lurks Often Mar 2015 #81
yep, yep, yep. I have a particular disdain for that shit. cali Mar 2015 #91
I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for an apology post if he is wrong Lurks Often Mar 2015 #95
Why? DHS, FBI, and police groups have RW extremists at top of list blm Mar 2015 #153
Oh, it's a false conclusion and will be proven so. Beausoir Mar 2015 #177
It wasn't a conclusion - I said I think it COULD HAVE BEEN blm Mar 2015 #235
He can't be wrong - he said it was a possibility and it surely is! Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #208
A few people are having a meltdown in this very thread! Rex Mar 2015 #212
It is quite shocking! Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #218
"all the posters ... I learned long ago to ignore." Yes. Same here. closeupready Mar 2015 #230
Yes thankfully we live in America. Rex Mar 2015 #236
So, what you're saying is: Nothng to see here. Move along?' Joe Chi Minh Mar 2015 #103
I so love the wild speculation without facts here Lurks Often Mar 2015 #110
Strike off first suspect on list of threats to law enforcement as speculation. blm Mar 2015 #194
More noise. If you are wrong, are you going to post an apology? Lurks Often Mar 2015 #206
Why? I didn't declare them guilty - I considered the possibility based on blm Mar 2015 #209
Speculation DOES NOT REQUIRE FACTS! Jeebus!! Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #210
Nope - RW extremists are on top of FBI, DHS and police chief lists. blm Mar 2015 #141
Like many here did for the Boston Marathon bombings. Throd Mar 2015 #159
I remember that too. Me I'll wait for some more facts as well Lurks Often Mar 2015 #237
FBI considered use of snipers for some reason during Occupy. Octafish Mar 2015 #87
Those are the most authentic-looking docs I have ever seen. nt Dreamer Tatum Mar 2015 #90
They're from the FBI. Octafish Mar 2015 #100
Of course they are. That's why they look so authentic. nt Dreamer Tatum Mar 2015 #112
Yeah, that's not what those documents said. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #98
No? What do they say, then? Octafish Mar 2015 #104
That the FBI had information on someone planning to engage in sniper attacks against OWS. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #114
Stand by...new CT loading...nt Dreamer Tatum Mar 2015 #136
As opposed to finding information to refute? Octafish Mar 2015 #196
HA! Goodluck with that! Rex Mar 2015 #205
The hypocrisy is a tell. Octafish Mar 2015 #219
Oh I know and everyone sees it, not like it is hard to notice. Rex Mar 2015 #232
From the Congressional Record: Octafish Mar 2015 #239
Arguing a CTer is like pushing on a string. No point to it. Dreamer Tatum Mar 2015 #291
I don't know why I bother to be nice to you. Octafish Mar 2015 #314
Where would he get that idea? Octafish Mar 2015 #195
Actually, those are members of the Massachusetts National Guard's WMD-CST. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #213
MNG. Octafish Mar 2015 #216
What, that's it? NuclearDem Mar 2015 #222
Now you're posting Alex Jones bullshit? zappaman Mar 2015 #260
No. It's from Imgur. Octafish Mar 2015 #310
I'll stick to the facts. zappaman Mar 2015 #324
I didn't post anything from Alex Jones, zappaman. You did. Octafish Mar 2015 #327
Actually you did as I showed. zappaman Mar 2015 #333
Not at all. Why does that photo bother you so much? Octafish Mar 2015 #344
I know you don't care if you post bullshit. zappaman Mar 2015 #347
Alex Jones? Skeptical Libertarian? zappaman, why? Octafish Mar 2015 #359
Sorry I showed your Boston Bombing false flag theory to be bullshit. zappaman Mar 2015 #364
Why attack me, zappaman? They're your links and sources. Octafish Mar 2015 #372
No problem. You never admit when you're wrong. zappaman Mar 2015 #375
Except the picture is from Imgur. Octafish Mar 2015 #396
Except it originated with info wars which you are pretending not to know. zappaman Mar 2015 #398
You seem to really know your way around the antisemitic hateosphere. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #409
Can you point out where in that memo it says zappaman Mar 2015 #263
Somehow in all of this FBI evilness they still manage to release an incriminating doc IMMEDIATELY Dreamer Tatum Mar 2015 #299
Last I heard, a Federal judge ordered FBI to release more info. Octafish Mar 2015 #313
So the memo doesn't say what you said it said. zappaman Mar 2015 #316
Wow, you realize that article does in no way confirm your spin of an FBI plot. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #331
Of course it doesn't. zappaman Mar 2015 #334
LOL! I see the Flat Earth Society chimed in about the horrors of you having an opinion! Rex Mar 2015 #94
Opine away, but if you don't provide any evidence for a theory, you're gonna get shit. cali Mar 2015 #105
Oh I will! I won't let some authoritarians tell me what I can and cannot do on this site. Rex Mar 2015 #119
no one has told you any such thing. I have a particular bias against people trying to cali Mar 2015 #147
Nope I said I would NOT do what you are doing. Read it again. Rex Mar 2015 #203
Theorizing and speculating are 2 very distinct things. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #215
DHS Report, cali blm Mar 2015 #250
My husband just said the same thing - about 10 minutes ago. calimary Mar 2015 #107
This message was self-deleted by its author GoneFishin Mar 2015 #217
Yep. I don't mind admitting to speculation. My basis is knowledge of the personalities involved and GoneFishin Mar 2015 #220
I totally agree with you. calimary Mar 2015 #305
Yes. The concept of honesty and fair play is foreign to them, or they consider it to be a weakness GoneFishin Mar 2015 #308
It seems that wondering about the possibility would be considered normal. blm Mar 2015 #312
You keep rattling on about statistics supporting your, uh, theory, but won't post them. cali Mar 2015 #108
He never said it was a theory - give it up! You are being very disingenuous. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #223
I have to admit . . . that very thing crossed my mind. Vinca Mar 2015 #109
Your post, I can still see it LOL I remember someone who suggested the cops started the fires NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #111
When the perps are caught and turn out to be common criminals... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #116
very possible. BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2015 #117
And whose head here didn't the thought pop into? A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2015 #124
Like I said. My first thought was "KKK". Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2015 #140
It is not beyond possibility. Duval Mar 2015 #150
First thought I had. jillan Mar 2015 #151
It's a valid possibility AgingAmerican Mar 2015 #154
I can see an anarchist doing it also, along with an angry person who hates cops still_one Mar 2015 #162
Also very true AgingAmerican Mar 2015 #197
Nope. Speculation is unwise in these incidents. still_one Mar 2015 #156
Why? Unwise for who? Speculation is the same as wondering. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #228
It's not exactly wildly speculative, still…. blm Mar 2015 #253
Such speculation serves no positive purpose! Sad Cryptoad Mar 2015 #165
"Shooters are punks trying to sew discord in the community." DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #167
I'll needle to see a citation for that. A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2015 #172
It was his contemporaneous remarks that I did my best to transcribe at approximately 11:10 A.M. PST DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #176
I was just kiddin you about the sew/sow. A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2015 #178
I saw what I did./NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #181
Who would have more motivation to sow discord? African Americans or disgruntled right wingers? notadmblnd Mar 2015 #174
Could be - certainly possible blm Mar 2015 #192
Confirmation bias? ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #184
No. I have posted about the DHS report here the last few years. blm Mar 2015 #211
You misunderstand. ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #226
I am saying, "No, I am not." I am saying that it could have been based on blm Mar 2015 #231
It could also have been Elmer Fudd. ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #300
Were there recent reports issued on Elmer Fudd targeting law enforcement? blm Mar 2015 #301
That's not evidence, unfortunately. ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #311
I never claimed there was evidence. I never made any claim to KNOW what happened. blm Mar 2015 #323
I resent irresponsible speculation about very serious matters, particularly when they're nearby. ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #330
My concerns are no different than law enforcement's. There was nothing irresponsible in the blm Mar 2015 #335
The law enforcement actually INVOLVED in the investigation has alluded to nothing of the sort. ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #341
Why would they? You really believe that not one of them blm Mar 2015 #343
I suspect that while they considered many possibilities, they had the good sense not to speculate. ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #353
I know what I've been reading in various government reports and blm Mar 2015 #354
So, you admit you know bupkess about this particular crime? ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #357
Why would you have to know about THIS crime only to blm Mar 2015 #361
"…pose the greatest threat to their communities…." blm Mar 2015 #362
Because it WASN'T reasoned, that's why. ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #374
I have been reading these reports for decades. blm Mar 2015 #377
It was irresponsible, because you had exactly ZERO evidence that RW-ers were involved. ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #379
Didn't claim I had the evidence. I clearly based my post on current LEO concerns blm Mar 2015 #382
How well you do parse! ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #384
So you see the words "think" and "COULD HAVE BEEN" blm Mar 2015 #388
I did nothing of the sort. ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #389
LOLOL - blm Mar 2015 #391
You shouldn't be comfortable saying it ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #426
I never said that area was a hotbed of RW extremism. blm Mar 2015 #430
I'll move on when I damn well feel like it, thank you very much. ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #440
There is nothing ignorant about it, you know it, and can't stand that blm Mar 2015 #444
Your irresponsible, ignorant post is an insult to the purpose of DU. ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #445
Then alert on the OP and take it down. blm Mar 2015 #448
No, thanks. ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #456
Too many thick heads in this thread. Might as well move on before my head explodes. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #233
FAS link on DHS Report: blm Mar 2015 #247
Oh, I'm very familiar with the report. But I'll look again, thanks. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #255
Graphic here on RW's increased targeting of police. blm Mar 2015 #262
Here you go! Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #264
Thank you - deserves its own thread. blm Mar 2015 #277
Not a lot of Rocket Scientist makeup in this crew! Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #283
Pretty amazing sight blm Mar 2015 #289
Now if only cali was interested enough to read it, but her mind seems closed on the issue. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #259
Interesting, that - she comes in, creates drama and noise, demanding statistics and facts, closeupready Mar 2015 #267
She seems to "protesteth too mucheth". Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #269
I'm gonna say it: I think the shooter was one of the ChisolmTrailDem Mar 2015 #187
My money is on the Illuminati, aliens and the Masons Lurks Often Mar 2015 #240
Though I doubt it, I wouldn't put anything past them marym625 Mar 2015 #201
Well if there was some report that said that rw extremists are are a threat to police DesMoinesDem Mar 2015 #248
No. Why would anyone use the word 'all' based on the findings of DHS report? blm Mar 2015 #252
Oh, so the report just says RW extremists are guilty of this particular shooting? DesMoinesDem Mar 2015 #254
Who has claimed that about this shooting? blm Mar 2015 #256
Oh, so you're not actually claiming that RW extremists did this shooting? What is the point DesMoinesDem Mar 2015 #265
Wow - stick to flailing at the straw men you create. blm Mar 2015 #296
Obviously you are trying to avoid answering my questions with your red herring. DesMoinesDem Mar 2015 #309
No - I don't agree with 'all this' you wrote. blm Mar 2015 #321
A report from 2009 from DHS is in no was relevant to a single shooting today. DesMoinesDem Mar 2015 #351
LOL - Apparently you didn't bother to read blm Mar 2015 #356
LOL. If all you could respond to from my post was one cherry picked word you have lost DesMoinesDem Mar 2015 #383
Wow. That's how you see it, huh? blm Mar 2015 #392
Really odd logic. Why don't you go have an ice cream cone or something? Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #261
2010: 'Christian warrior' militia accused in plot to kill police Octafish Mar 2015 #483
It's a good bet. Klansman with a high-powered & scoped hunting rifle. backscatter712 Mar 2015 #257
Released from the hospital hours after getting shot in the face with a high-powered rifle? LOL DesMoinesDem Mar 2015 #270
It's part of the plot GusBob Mar 2015 #273
The victims have been released from hospital, shell casings recovered GusBob Mar 2015 #258
I do wonder malaise Mar 2015 #268
Certainly possible. moondust Mar 2015 #271
Why don't we wait to see the evidence? LittleBlue Mar 2015 #274
"Why don't we wait" ... to what, have discussion on a discussion board? Reasonable. closeupready Mar 2015 #281
This is a conspiracy theory LittleBlue Mar 2015 #282
Disagree. Conspiracies, by definition, posit participation of more than one participant. closeupready Mar 2015 #288
The consideration of the possibility is based on REAL law enforcement concerns not theory... blm Mar 2015 #290
No, I didn't. My post is considering the possibility based on REAL law enforcement concerns. blm Mar 2015 #298
I like the fact that you don't take any of their bait and keep posting what you base your opinion on Rex Mar 2015 #306
I never had to battle so many straw men here. blm Mar 2015 #322
And isn't it interesting that so many of them carry exactly the same tone. canoeist52 Mar 2015 #442
Fucking BFEE is everywhere, man...nt SidDithers Mar 2015 #280
A race war? kentuck Mar 2015 #304
BBC: "heinous assault" that could undermine police reforms moondust Mar 2015 #315
Makes sense to me. MuttLikeMe Mar 2015 #332
Oh boy is this thread getting bookmarked AngryAmish Mar 2015 #339
I think you might be on to something. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #348
And it is a TWO FER for the likely white supermacists who did the shooting, put blame on AfAm AND NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #355
It is sad watching DUers defend RWing extremists. Rex Mar 2015 #378
Who the hell is defending rightwing extremists? NuclearDem Mar 2015 #394
I don't think they're defending RW extremist - I think they want blm Mar 2015 #400
The ones that disagree with you do for sure. Rex Mar 2015 #421
I got to say, any number of things could have happened and I have no clue TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #387
Thank you! I am suspicious too, though will wait for all facts. Anansi1171 Mar 2015 #397
Yeah - I saw that piece at SPLC a while back. blm Mar 2015 #401
It's totally a possibility and why can't we talk about it? We should just think it and not say a Cha Mar 2015 #405
I've noticed an uptick on the RW sites making claims about Obama blm Mar 2015 #410
Is there any evidence for it? Adrahil Mar 2015 #427
I backed up why it deserves consideration blm Mar 2015 #434
Sorry... sounds like the same kind of "false flag" stuff the freepers are always advancing. Adrahil Mar 2015 #463
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Look at how many views you have already.. 6284! Somebodies are interested.. Cha Mar 2015 #420
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It's a good thing nobody expects Republican fundamentalist groups Rex Mar 2015 #422
First thing hubby said when he heard about it appleannie1 Mar 2015 #429
Many DUers are saying they thought the same - Which is why I find blm Mar 2015 #437
Why were they protesting the night the officers were shot? The police chief had just resigned and B Calm Mar 2015 #438
Some were protesting for complete change, most were celebrating. blm Mar 2015 #447
Soon as I heard about the shooting, I thought it had to be a right-wing extremist stirring up hatred B Calm Mar 2015 #451
Well, more than the deniers here want to admit. blm Mar 2015 #454
On CNN a few minutes ago one of the guests suggested that the shooter could have been malaise Mar 2015 #446
Thanks for the update. blm Mar 2015 #449
Snort ... yeah, how about that? lol So funny - this thread is comedy gold closeupready Mar 2015 #466
grazie blm Mar 2015 #467
There have been such things as "agents provacateurs" before in history... CTyankee Mar 2015 #455
The big picture.. Tara491 Mar 2015 #457
post = paranoid delusion SCantiGOP Mar 2015 #458
How do we know the Police didn't shoot themselves ? Bonx Mar 2015 #470
You can unrec this and blast blm for speculation matt819 Mar 2015 #471
DUers are doing a smash up job pushing back against, IMO asiliveandbreathe Mar 2015 #474
hold your breath, maybe eric holder will swoop in with the FBI. NM_Birder Mar 2015 #480
The simplest explanation is usually the right one. underpants Mar 2015 #482
Guess we'll soon find out (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #484
kick Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #485
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