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In reply to the discussion: Now We Know Why Huge TPP Trade Deal Is Kept Secret From The Public [View all]RiverLover
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Ohio Senator Sherrod Brown released the following statement:
It appears that the investor state provision being considered as part of TPP will still amount to a corporate handout at the expense of consumers despite the assurances of our negotiators. We need strong language to prevent multinational corporations like Big Tobacco from using trade agreements to challenge health and safety laws.
Its telling when Members of Congress and their staff have an easier time accessing national security documents than proposed trade deals, but if I were negotiating this deal I suppose I wouldnt want people to see it either. Trade agreements should lift American workers and their counterparts abroad, rather than creating a race to the bottom.
...Public Citizens Global Trade Watch has this Analysis of Leaked Trans-Pacific Partnership Investment Text
The leaked text provides stark warnings about the dangers of trade negotiations occurring without press, public or policymaker oversight. It reveals that TPP negotiators already have agreed to many radical terms that would give foreign investors expansive new substantive and procedural rights and privileges not available to domestic firms under domestic law.
See also, Corporate Courts A Big Red Flag On Trade Agreements.
It appears that the investor state provision being considered as part of TPP will still amount to a corporate handout at the expense of consumers despite the assurances of our negotiators. We need strong language to prevent multinational corporations like Big Tobacco from using trade agreements to challenge health and safety laws.
Its telling when Members of Congress and their staff have an easier time accessing national security documents than proposed trade deals, but if I were negotiating this deal I suppose I wouldnt want people to see it either. Trade agreements should lift American workers and their counterparts abroad, rather than creating a race to the bottom.
...Public Citizens Global Trade Watch has this Analysis of Leaked Trans-Pacific Partnership Investment Text
The leaked text provides stark warnings about the dangers of trade negotiations occurring without press, public or policymaker oversight. It reveals that TPP negotiators already have agreed to many radical terms that would give foreign investors expansive new substantive and procedural rights and privileges not available to domestic firms under domestic law.
See also, Corporate Courts A Big Red Flag On Trade Agreements.
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And this is just one chapter out of twenty-eight secret corporate-written chapters.
djean111
Mar 2015
#1
It was started under bush 1/reagan with nafta. TPP is a continuation of corporate globalization.
Dont call me Shirley
Mar 2015
#43
Call your Senators, Representatives and Whitehouse to express your opposition to this global
Dont call me Shirley
Mar 2015
#184
'was stalled in Congress under intense public pressure'. That was encouraging, that the public
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#89
We need make sure it is not a Secret, We need to organize a day to Reps on this Issue
lewebley3
Mar 2015
#4
It is TPP. Another, just as bad, IMO, currently negotiated agreement is the TTIP.
djean111
Mar 2015
#8
Saw reports from Europe also, major issues. TPP, Global Corporate Coup D'etat, for the 1%
appalachiablue
Mar 2015
#65
The other treaties as far as I know don't override national sovereignty. Also they are secret to us.
Rex
Mar 2015
#46
This is being molded by the major corporations for their benefit ast our expense. It's that simple.
rhett o rick
Mar 2015
#144
How is this at our expense? What are we losing by corporations having access to other countries?
randome
Mar 2015
#166
Access to other countries doesn't necessarily hurt, but what the frack does "access"
rhett o rick
Mar 2015
#173
Then he should vote 'No' as should everyone else who doesn't like the Investor definition.
randome
Mar 2015
#185
What possible difference does it make to know how negotiations went before ratification?
randome
Mar 2015
#52
Understandable but it doesn't preclude the need to beat China to the punch this time.
randome
Mar 2015
#168
Hope so for sure. In the other post now about no word from POTUS on TPP a poster
appalachiablue
Mar 2015
#86
No, it doesn't. Country E cannot impose high tariffs or bogus laws to keep a specific company out.
randome
Mar 2015
#53
I don't. Since only one part of the treaty has been leaked, we don't have the full picture.
randome
Mar 2015
#60
Klein is the same as you or me: he's making it up as he goes along with whatever info is available.
randome
Mar 2015
#71
And who will enforce these laws? What standing does a tribunal with one UN member have?
Rex
Mar 2015
#78
I would hope such things would be part of the consideration but so far I don't see any sign of it.
randome
Mar 2015
#57
Sure, it could work out that way. But let's see what the final draft has to say.
randome
Mar 2015
#198
"Fuck everyone who had anything to do with negotiating this monstrosity." Obama?
L0oniX
Mar 2015
#41
If you want to view trade dispute tribunals as ceding sovereignty, then it was done at least 20
Hoyt
Mar 2015
#47
Point is this is not something new, and some conspiracy by Obama to sell you down the river.
Hoyt
Mar 2015
#72
Call your Senators, Representatives and Whitehouse to express your opposition to this global
Dont call me Shirley
Mar 2015
#20
And how Coke created the orange drink, FANTA just for the Nazis during WWII to
appalachiablue
Mar 2015
#67
Michael Froman is the US Trade Representative, appointed by Obama. Each of the 12 countries involved
Hoyt
Mar 2015
#75
So do I understand that you are fully onboard for Fast Tracking the TPP? nm
rhett o rick
Mar 2015
#174
So you post for amusement in GD, but you're serious in the HRC group?
DisgustipatedinCA
Mar 2015
#202
Only the things that matter, like wages and benefits. Another failure for the POTUS.
WillTwain
Mar 2015
#100
Are you serious? See nearly every post you have made on TPP spanning months.
WillTwain
Mar 2015
#109
Believe me your interpretation of my words means very little to me. The Transparant President, OK
WillTwain
Mar 2015
#118
You are somewhat famous for your pretentious "yawn." Do not make me expose it.
WillTwain
Mar 2015
#153
As you are speaking for Nance, please have her apologize the "yawn" comment is posted
WillTwain
Mar 2015
#210
Does Nance have a response to the Yawn quote posted that she wrote but denied writing.
WillTwain
Mar 2015
#209
I know everything I need to know about you. You filled in all the gaps with a few words.
WillTwain
Mar 2015
#225
I'm interested.. I didn't know that. You'd think from reading "Secret!" around here for the last
Cha
Mar 2015
#94
Like Nance said.. these trade deals have always been in secret.. there's more involved than just
Cha
Mar 2015
#149
So you're response to those that want more transparency (like BO promised),
rhett o rick
Mar 2015
#176
This is wrong thinking: "I will never say to trust anyone blindly but he is not someone who wants to
rhett o rick
Mar 2015
#191
It's secret for a reason. It's dangerous and will harm the American working class while
GoneFishin
Mar 2015
#129
You forgot the sarcasm and rolling on floor laughing smilies in your post. (nm)
Elwood P Dowd
Mar 2015
#159