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oberliner

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99. I would agree with that

Sat Mar 28, 2015, 12:25 PM

Mar 2015

However, I don't think it's helpful to distort the text in return to make the point. The point stands on its own merits.

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what the bible says about abortion: [View all] niyad Mar 2015 OP

Are you expecting extremist Christians to read the Bible? get the red out Mar 2015 #1

I know, how silly of me. comes from an insufficient caffeine intake today. niyad Mar 2015 #2

Or any fundie preacher stealing $s from his flock erronis Mar 2015 #18

Don't expect fundie Christians to pay any attention to Numbers and Leviticus Yupster Mar 2015 #61

They're hypocrites though. They throw out the dietary stuff while hammering on Lev 18:22. nomorenomore08 Mar 2015 #75

They do have an explanation for that. However, whenever I post it, I get treated as though I merrily Mar 2015 #81

They always claim the prohibition against homosexuality is still active, while the other stuff isn't nomorenomore08 Mar 2015 #82

There is an answer for that, too, but, it's time consuming to give and, as stated, I've learned merrily Mar 2015 #84

The one NT passage they can cite is Romans 1:27-32. But those are Paul's words, not Christ's. nomorenomore08 Mar 2015 #85

The position I referred to is not a one passage argument or I would have cited it. merrily Mar 2015 #90

DAYUM! calimary Mar 2015 #3

ouch! another question: guillaumeb Mar 2015 #4

thank you. funny how their jesus is so different from the one most of us have heard of- niyad Mar 2015 #6

Well, indirectly.. Jesus did speak about abortion, Motown_Johnny Mar 2015 #26

He stated that he came to fulfill and perfect the Law. guillaumeb Mar 2015 #29

... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2015 #47

the bible book they redacted guillaumeb Mar 2015 #57

Actually no. Check this out... nomorenomore08 Mar 2015 #76

Years ago, I encountered a translation of the bible that omitted Hosea 13:16 arcane1 Mar 2015 #5

whenever I hear someone using the bible as a basis for whatever, I ask which one of the niyad Mar 2015 #7

Exactly.. sendero Mar 2015 #19

What a humane and enlightened assemblage of fairytales. hifiguy Mar 2015 #8

The talmud does specifically reference abortion, actually. Kber Mar 2015 #9

My late MIL was no scholar but she certainly knew about this. She said to me.... Hekate Mar 2015 #11

it also tells you what to do if your dog violates your cleaning lady--it's prepared for EVERY MisterP Mar 2015 #34

What's the prescribed "remedy"? Just curious. nomorenomore08 Mar 2015 #77

Oh those Hebrews.. mountain grammy Mar 2015 #35

A minister's job is to give a sermon in safeinOhio Mar 2015 #10

I knew it... ileus Mar 2015 #12

Numbers says all we need to know... uponit7771 Mar 2015 #13

Numbers, chapter 5 explains how a priest should do an abortion perdita9 Mar 2015 #14

When the day cometh that it become immoral and criminal to force a woman to carry an unwanted Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #15

Great references from the one reference they say they will always stand behind Jon82 Mar 2015 #16

Most fundamental Christians Cryptoad Mar 2015 #23

Matthew 18:6 says nothing about harming a child ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2015 #17

There are many Bibles versions. Cryptoad Mar 2015 #22

there are plenty of 'iffy' things if you pick and choose ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2015 #31

Beyond taking liberty, I would call it lying. I read the referenced passages. Shrike47 Mar 2015 #116

I was trying to be nice about it, but you are Right,,,,,, nt Cryptoad Mar 2015 #125

There are over 41,000 Christian Sects,,,,, it unfair Cryptoad Mar 2015 #20

no offense angrychair Mar 2015 #25

Matthew 18:6 sulphurdunn Mar 2015 #21

It really is.....but then, mentioning the significance of the fact....... WillowTree Mar 2015 #27

Yes, and there is certainly sulphurdunn Mar 2015 #93

I just can't get over the sacrificing the 1st born . Fla Dem Mar 2015 #24

you think this is about sacrificing ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2015 #32

Consecration is not the same as sacrifice. colorado_ufo Mar 2015 #33

The firstborn was to be dedicated to the service of God, not killed. merrily Mar 2015 #78

1st born animals too? How does that work? nt Fla Dem Mar 2015 #94

My Bible says something different in Numbers 5:21. appleannie1 Mar 2015 #28

I aslo recall ending someone's pregnancy being a lesser punishment Bradical79 Mar 2015 #30

Such death of a fetus is mentioned a couple of times in the bible happyslug Mar 2015 #40

Only one of these verses is from the New Testament which is the only part former9thward Mar 2015 #36

See my cite below, I had to stop after looking up the first three "Cites" happyslug Mar 2015 #39

Oh the context argument again phil89 Mar 2015 #43

If you throw out phil89 Mar 2015 #41

I'm not throwing out anything. former9thward Mar 2015 #44

Cannibalism of live children? A Simple Game Mar 2015 #37

You really thought the verses quoted in the OP were real? former9thward Mar 2015 #45

Perhaps not word for word, but yes I do think they are really from the bible. A Simple Game Mar 2015 #50

I have a Bible. former9thward Mar 2015 #53

To be honest I was mainly concerned with the cannibalism. A Simple Game Mar 2015 #62

For the sake of honesty, okasha Mar 2015 #80

The Old Testament is full of violence because that era in human history former9thward Mar 2015 #89

I'm sure they cooked them first. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #49

Well to be honest it does say the children should eat their parents too. n/t A Simple Game Mar 2015 #51

Sounds like a nice book. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #52

That would be Ezekiel 5:10 and a couple of others. Cerridwen Mar 2015 #65

What a bad set of bibical quotes... happyslug Mar 2015 #38

And you think phil89 Mar 2015 #42

Bible hub is just what it sounds like. Cerridwen Mar 2015 #60

Actually it depends on the translations, is it still in copyright? happyslug Mar 2015 #131

Leviticus does not say that oberliner Mar 2015 #46

It's all serious distortion trying to make it say what they want to be able to claim that it says. WillowTree Mar 2015 #48

I would agree with that oberliner Mar 2015 #99

which version? niyad Mar 2015 #96

Take your pick oberliner Mar 2015 #100

there are some 500 versions out there. niyad Mar 2015 #101

Leviticus is the basis of the anti-gay thing, right underpants Mar 2015 #54

Leviticus 20, which starts with forbidding sacrificing children... happyslug Mar 2015 #132

May God bless and keep you all... onpatrol98 Mar 2015 #55

Here's a picture depicting exactly how much I care what the bible or any other religious text says PeaceNikki Mar 2015 #56

I tried turning the paper over guillaumeb Mar 2015 #58

That side depicts how much our government should care. PeaceNikki Mar 2015 #59

nice guillaumeb Mar 2015 #63

that is exactly as it should be. niyad Mar 2015 #106

The OP is lying. Matthew 18:6--see text below: Wella Mar 2015 #64

The image in the OP is wrong about Matthew 18:6. Cerridwen Mar 2015 #66

I'll check out the others, verse by verse. But the OP and the image are lying Wella Mar 2015 #67

The image has some issues. The OP is mistaken, not lying. Cerridwen Mar 2015 #68

so what about the other 11 citations? hobbit709 Mar 2015 #83

I suspect that the author of the poster is taking most of the verses quoted out of context or just jwirr Mar 2015 #92

again, to which of the some 500 versions out there do you refer? niyad Mar 2015 #105

The bible, a tabloid book of tales chosen for political impact of that day! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2015 #69

+1000 smirkymonkey Mar 2015 #70

Hey. Niyad. sheshe2 Mar 2015 #71

wow. PeaceNikki Mar 2015 #72

oh my, had not realized. thank you so much for letting me know. niyad Mar 2015 #107

This message was self-deleted by its author sheshe2 Mar 2015 #73

Thanks to all who went to the trouble of debunking this! Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #74

It is not completely debunkable because the Bible does say some of those things. At least, merrily Mar 2015 #79

The King James version isn't that good a translation. winter is coming Mar 2015 #87

The description of that battle was not a matter of translating 1 or 2 words or a filling in one merrily Mar 2015 #88

of course, since the bible was not originally written in english, and most of us niyad Mar 2015 #126

I did specify exactly which version I meant and please see also Reply 88. merrily Mar 2015 #130

you mean, thanks to the people who were using one of the other 500 versions? niyad Mar 2015 #98

Okay. Well you know most people probably have no idea of the full Gospel canon. Rex Mar 2015 #86

my favourite comment about the bible: "it is amazing that white europeans follow niyad Mar 2015 #97

LOL! Rex Mar 2015 #114

and then, of course, we have the thomasine and marian gospels. niyad Mar 2015 #108

Kickin' Faux pas Mar 2015 #91

K&R! marym625 Mar 2015 #95

RIghtwing asses hate abortion because it is a woman making a choice on her own NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #102

that is exactly correct. niyad Mar 2015 #103

That is it exactly! smirkymonkey Mar 2015 #129

I'm soooooooo tired of the freakin' bible. nt valerief Mar 2015 #104

especially when it is being used to promote legislation in a secular nation. it would be amusing niyad Mar 2015 #109

Yeah. Too bad the blind can't see their own reflection. (No offense to visually valerief Mar 2015 #124

So sorry, but WHY was the earlier Jesus thread locked, but this one thrives? Atman Mar 2015 #110

I have no idea to which thread you are referring. must have missed it. niyad Mar 2015 #111

Might have been because Willie P posted it. Atman Mar 2015 #112

thank you for posting the link. I had not yet seen it. niyad Mar 2015 #113

Oh, and if this all Biblical and God and stuff...why can't they get the date right? Atman Mar 2015 #115

new vacation schedule? n/t ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2015 #117

HE IS RISEN! Atman Mar 2015 #118

oh, so because we try to superimpose our solar calendar ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2015 #119

"People like me." Atman Mar 2015 #121

essentially... ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2015 #122

BWHAHA! So now it's "disdain." Atman Apr 2015 #135

Quit knocking the Roman Empire..... happyslug Apr 2015 #133

So, Jesus goes fishing one day. Atman Mar 2015 #120

Now THAT is a good walkin' on water joke... ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2015 #123

oh dear, you almost owed me a keyboard. niyad Mar 2015 #127

my favourite walking on water joke: niyad Mar 2015 #128

So Jesus and Moses go golfing one day Yupster Apr 2015 #134

always liked it. back when I first heard it, "but he thinks he's arnold palmer" niyad Apr 2015 #136