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muriel_volestrangler

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29. So, that would be for at least the past 40 years, in the case of Saudi Arabia

Sat Apr 11, 2015, 08:21 AM

Apr 2015

but probably the last 70 years.

"does that mean we do nothing until we address SA?"

To be consistent, yes. The USA for decades has encouraged human rights abuses by officials in foreign countries, and kidnapped victims to send them for torture. What Venezuelans do is chicken-feed, compared to what US allies have done. Hell, it's not as bad as what the USA itself did in Guantanamo this century.

Calling this a 'national emergency' and a 'threat' to 'national security' is hypocritical bullshit.

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Can someone help me out here? What has Venezuela done against the US to earn sanctions? [View all] kelliekat44 Apr 2015 OP

Nationalized their oil industry. Scuba Apr 2015 #1

You've got it. mmonk Apr 2015 #2

Here are the 7 individuals sanctioned. Can you tell us how any msanthrope Apr 2015 #4

when it comes to human rights violations, pot and kettle. hobbit709 Apr 2015 #8

No one has fully clean hands. It msanthrope Apr 2015 #10

I tell you counselor the easy, lazy equivalency response is now the norm. great white snark Apr 2015 #13

Its a double standard JonLP24 Apr 2015 #18

And? You seem to be making an argument that we should not proceed on some human rights msanthrope Apr 2015 #22

Sanctioning wealthy foreign businessman from doing business with the US? JonLP24 Apr 2015 #25

Didn't someone just mention false equivalency? merrily Apr 2015 #27

yup, i wonder if these people think we should not be critical of Netanyahu and Israel JI7 Apr 2015 #84

Those guys are less violent than the LAPD. Monk06 Apr 2015 #14

And you seem to be making the argument that all other justice stops until the people msanthrope Apr 2015 #23

No I'm saying we live in a topsy turvy world when the state police force of a supposedly Monk06 Apr 2015 #72

And as I've pointed out to you LittleBlue Apr 2015 #63

Thank you newfie11 Apr 2015 #5

! DeSwiss Apr 2015 #37

Bingo. They used their own resources instead of letting us have them. jwirr Apr 2015 #56

Yes, how dare they and they paid off their IMF loan, meaning they became independent of the Western sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #57

Bingo. hifiguy Apr 2015 #61

Venezuela didn't get sanctioned. 7 individuals from Venezuela msanthrope Apr 2015 #3

When did human rights violations by individuals in another country become a threat to US muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #19

When they funnel cash through US financial institutions, then our banking msanthrope Apr 2015 #21

"does that mean we do nothing until we address SA" merrily Apr 2015 #28

I wasn't the one who brought up SA. Why not address that poster msanthrope Apr 2015 #31

I am addressing your comment--rather question--not what another poster said about Saudi Arabia. merrily Apr 2015 #33

Merrily. ...in our last interaction, you got very frustrated and insulting. msanthrope Apr 2015 #35

Good luck. joshcryer Apr 2015 #42

So, that would be for at least the past 40 years, in the case of Saudi Arabia muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #29

Blame Congress, then. The EO is pursuant to 2014 legislation. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #32

The sanctions "go beyond the requirements of this legislation" - see #20 muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #36

Good. Which one of the 7 named are you defending? nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #47

Guess. muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #48

Who signed that bill into law? Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #65

Are you connecting Venezuela, or the 7 named people, with terror? muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #49

But, but, but they have oil. SummerSnow Apr 2015 #77

+1 joshcryer Apr 2015 #41

Gotta love the boligarchs. joshcryer Apr 2015 #43

Obama formally named Venezuela a threat to the national security of the US. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #59

You'll be waiting a long time for any COLGATE4 Apr 2015 #81

When was Venezuela sanctioned?... SidDithers Apr 2015 #6

Any past or present members of the Venezuelan government can be targeted muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #20

7 Chavistas equals Venezuela? Um, no. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #24

No, *every past or present member of the Venezuelan government* equals Venezuela muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #30

Yes....they can be named specifically, but so far, only those 7 msanthrope Apr 2015 #34

As I've said, there are many members of past or present governments all over the world muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #38

didn't kiss the corporations' asses hobbit709 Apr 2015 #7

Because both Cuba and Venezuela insist that their sovereignty be recognized malaise Apr 2015 #9

+1000 DeSwiss Apr 2015 #40

because the oil lobbyists demanded their puppets in Washington to do it! B Calm Apr 2015 #11

Cuba has granted asylum to terrorists and hijackers in the past.... Adrahil Apr 2015 #12

Cuba is still existing inspite of American sanctions for over akbacchus_BC Apr 2015 #17

Huh? We have a lease for the base at Guantanamo. nt okaawhatever Apr 2015 #50

There is nothing legal about the place JonLP24 Apr 2015 #62

It made the US President an asshole when President Chavez akbacchus_BC Apr 2015 #15

Not a damn thing JonLP24 Apr 2015 #16

I must acknowledge Chavez for this: merrily Apr 2015 #26

! DeSwiss Apr 2015 #39

Thanks, gracias and merci, DeSwiss. I assumed it was only regional. merrily Apr 2015 #45

De nada DeSwiss Apr 2015 #71

That program was not only in New England. Some of that was also delivered to Indian Reservations jwirr Apr 2015 #58

There are none. DeSwiss Apr 2015 #44

...! KoKo Apr 2015 #52

Threat comes from having economic independence. Octafish Apr 2015 #46

The excerpt below will explain it to you, precisely, and concisely: Zorra Apr 2015 #51

Why?... Talkin' back... that's why. nt Bigmack Apr 2015 #53

Also, they have become a narco state, funneling vast amounts of drugs... elfin Apr 2015 #54

Oh, that's funny. Venezuela is a narco state because drug flow through there. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #60

While others produce and get it to the U.S. - Ven. gets it to terrorists elfin Apr 2015 #66

It goes all over JonLP24 Apr 2015 #68

That is kind of funny MFrohike Apr 2015 #70

What terrorists? Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #73

Al Shabab and ISIS elfin Apr 2015 #83

HBO? DeSwiss Apr 2015 #75

Because they elected a communist for President. Cleita Apr 2015 #55

Christ, if you're going to post about Venezuela COLGATE4 Apr 2015 #79

I wasn't talking about oil fields. Others were, but I wasn't. Cleita Apr 2015 #82

Nada. Zip. Zilch. Puglover Apr 2015 #64

The sanctions are trumped up to target 7 individuals but in reality they are punishment riderinthestorm Apr 2015 #67

Then they're a little late. Check when Venezuela COLGATE4 Apr 2015 #80

The sacred link between the U.S. dollar and oil must be preserved. hunter Apr 2015 #69

dared to try an alternative to vulture capitalism. The oligarchs do not tolerate heterodoxy Doctor_J Apr 2015 #74

Saudi Arabia practices human rights violations and were allies with them? SummerSnow Apr 2015 #76

It's late president said the truth about George W Bush, "Dangerman," at the UN Octafish Apr 2015 #78