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45. Why don't you just check her website and see her position on the issue?

Wed Apr 15, 2015, 08:00 PM

Apr 2015

Certainly a major presidential candidate would have something on their website explaining their views on trade policy.

Unless they didn't want you to know for some reason.

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Question for Hillary backers: how do *you* feel about the TPP? [View all] MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 OP

... Crickets ..... peacebird Apr 2015 #1

a lot of us ignore Manny so I don't think waiting a little while OKNancy Apr 2015 #4

i pretty much do, too. i went above and beyond, replying. nt seabeyond Apr 2015 #7

If only! MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #10

Many of us also doubt the sincerity of his "questions"...nt SidDithers Apr 2015 #21

Do tell, Sidney. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2015 #29

sure. i assumed no sincerity but effort at a gotcha. especially after moments, see crickets seabeyond Apr 2015 #30

So what do you think of the TPP? sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #226

Better question, What does Hillary think of TPP ? n/t orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #229

I don't know what she thinks. She will be asked, so I guess sooner or later we will find out. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #268

I agree, besides the " Mindless Cheerleaders " not many comprehensive orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #283

How Does One Ignore Manny, And Yet Know What He Posted ??? WillyT Apr 2015 #53

Right? truebrit71 Apr 2015 #105

I do it all the time. nt MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #153

DUzy! Fearless Apr 2015 #224

If they ignored Manny AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #290

LOL. If you ignore him why do so many of you post in his threads? But never to discuss issues. nm rhett o rick Apr 2015 #185

Well since you're here, can you answer the question? sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #221

On one side you have the anti-TPP posting fact after fact, and on the corporate side rhett o rick Apr 2015 #259

True. I can't imagine waiting to see where a politician stands, no matter how much I may like them, sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #269

Crickets indeed... chapdrum Apr 2015 #235

. . . hifiguy Apr 2015 #2

1. Hillary was working for the President OKNancy Apr 2015 #3

So in short, she had to do it, it's probably a good thing, MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #12

I think he held a gun to her head and told her she had to support it davidpdx Apr 2015 #166

Which republican candidates for president are on the record against TPP? NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #228

"If Republicans do it, so can Democrats." nt MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #234

1) So, she isn't working for the president now Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #14

I hear you on the disappearance of jobs davidpdx Apr 2015 #167

We used to be home to Burlington, Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #175

Here's what she said in 2011: "Hillary's Trade Dilemma" KoKo Apr 2015 #66

"I don't think Obama would push something that would be detrimental to the working person." JDPriestly Apr 2015 #86

I didn't think Bill Clinton would introduce NAFTA, either.... KoKo Apr 2015 #89

He didn't introduce it. Nafta had its genesis in the Reagan and G.H.W. Bush administrations. CentralMass Apr 2015 #159

Meanwhile, Al Gore signed on to the Kyoto Protocol for the US, Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #280

He actually did some liberal things as governor Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #160

Obama would not support something he thought would be detrimental treestar Apr 2015 #249

#5 - are you kidding? 840high Apr 2015 #113

Hope© springs eternal. Marr Apr 2015 #149

#5... really? What makes you think that? cui bono Apr 2015 #162

Yup - in a normal world this would be collusion and bribery and prison. erronis Apr 2015 #227

I also care about equal rights for LGBT and women as do all progressives. But I think that if rhett o rick Apr 2015 #186

I agree. bvar22 Apr 2015 #205

"I don't think Obama would push something that would be detrimental to the working person" AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #292

Let me save some time here, Manny: Maedhros Apr 2015 #5

I think you hit all the points. zeemike Apr 2015 #56

Nope, left out an important one. "We support equal rights for women and LGBT and don't give a crap rhett o rick Apr 2015 #187

Yep that is another goodie. zeemike Apr 2015 #189

Brutal. libdem4life Apr 2015 #59

6. Souls aren't really worth that much anyway. L0oniX Apr 2015 #64

..... madfloridian Apr 2015 #94

Thank you. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #95

Oh yes - Pass it and then 840high Apr 2015 #115

You'll have an opportunity to read it before its debated by Congress. I bet most here Hoyt Apr 2015 #127

Not until 4 years after ratification. nt MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #135

Manny, either you know that applies to the interim negotiating documents, not the final draft to be Hoyt Apr 2015 #137

Someone needs to tell the Washington Post, and quick! MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #142

They are wrong. Read the actual dicuments. The negotiating documents say they are not to be released Hoyt Apr 2015 #144

So according to Hoyt, the Washington Post and I spew BS. MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #146

On this, pretty much. Read what the negotiating documents say, even though Hoyt Apr 2015 #154

Interim negotiating documents. So let's look at who are doing the rhett o rick Apr 2015 #271

Nope. US government officials appointed by the Perez were negotiaters. Hoyt Apr 2015 #273

One day later, you've found out you were wrong. How quickly will you post it here. Hoyt Apr 2015 #206

I was right at the time MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #207

LMAO. No, you misinterpreted something someone told you that was incorrect. Worse, you didn't Hoyt Apr 2015 #208

Looks like some Democrats in Congress are skeptical. rhett o rick Apr 2015 #195

... BeanMusical Apr 2015 #281

That was the GOP rant on Obamacare AgingAmerican Apr 2015 #293

+1000 valerief Apr 2015 #220

You did forget one: "It hasn't happened yet, so no criticism allowed. Wait until it passes." cui bono Apr 2015 #294

Their understanding of Democracy is reduced to this: Maedhros Apr 2015 #295

i am not a supporter but have been defending those rights to be supporters. i hate it. as i did seabeyond Apr 2015 #6

I am not a fan of TTP. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #8

Something I've been wanting to say to you for a while. Quackers Apr 2015 #43

Thank you very much for the kind words. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #46

hrmjustin always argues in good faith, and should be commended.[n/t] Maedhros Apr 2015 #80

+1 nt MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #84

+2 F4lconF16 Apr 2015 #99

+3 villager Apr 2015 #109

+4 TDale313 Apr 2015 #116

+1000 rhett o rick Apr 2015 #196

Oh yes - always a pleasure. 840high Apr 2015 #117

That would be nice.... daleanime Apr 2015 #49

Is DeMarco Murry's contract going to be a good thing or a bad thing for Philly in 2015? ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #9

The Obama Administration is rejecting your argument, at least when it suits them Jim Lane Apr 2015 #171

Really? ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #174

That's an indefensible double standard. Jim Lane Apr 2015 #198

Come on ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #204

You're still upholding a double standard. Jim Lane Apr 2015 #222

Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #223

"They" said the same things about NAFTA, CAFTA, and every other "free trade"deal. bvar22 Apr 2015 #203

That's because it would take a lot of reading for most people treestar Apr 2015 #248

You're right, and the complexity of it all is the best argument against fast track. Jim Lane Apr 2015 #267

There are certain DUers who have made a bogeyman of the TPP treestar Apr 2015 #247

Well since every thing I've seen has been bad for the 99%. We know that if it favors rhett o rick Apr 2015 #250

First,why do you insist on calling something that we do not know to have been agreed to ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #263

First things first... one_voice Apr 2015 #11

Gees Manny fadedrose Apr 2015 #13

Beautiful. sheshe2 Apr 2015 #50

I'm afraid when he pulls the bunny out of the hat dflprincess Apr 2015 #100

giggle nt fadedrose Apr 2015 #131

A la Bullwinkle, no doubt Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #164

Nice find! dflprincess Apr 2015 #264

Any agreement that imposes corporate, international trade courts on us an d our government JDPriestly Apr 2015 #101

We've had those same trade courts for decades, as has the European Union. Hoyt Apr 2015 #128

I have objected to them all along. We don't need to get another one. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #138

Haven't really been harmful and have helped us and other countries attract investment and jobs Hoyt Apr 2015 #139

Over the line! BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #15

Yet more divisive chair throwing in GD. longship Apr 2015 #16

If that wasn't sarcasm, then let point out that you've pretty nearly fulfilled post 5's FiveGoodMen Apr 2015 #23

Aka "11-dimensional chess." blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #41

Let's get this fucking straight right now. longship Apr 2015 #44

Where is the DNC, DSCC... any leadership forthcoming? Cosmic Kitten Apr 2015 #61

People are still making the same mistake that Manny is making. longship Apr 2015 #140

Who are the gatekeepers? Cosmic Kitten Apr 2015 #179

That is a great question. longship Apr 2015 #180

So the gatekeepers are who exactly? Cosmic Kitten Apr 2015 #182

Gees, Louise! longship Apr 2015 #183

Oh, OK. Problem solved, Thanks Cosmic Kitten Apr 2015 #184

What you you recommend as an alternative? longship Apr 2015 #188

A multi-prong approach Cosmic Kitten Apr 2015 #190

If one takes over the precincts, there are no local gatekeepers longship Apr 2015 #193

Do you think you could be a bit clearer? LOL. Good Post. libdem4life Apr 2015 #63

There is a huge difference between committed Democrats... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2015 #68

Hillary's role in crafting the TPP is not some trivial bit of political sausage-making. Maedhros Apr 2015 #82

Ageed it wasnt about the TPP but rather a trollish attempt to attack Hillary. cstanleytech Apr 2015 #96

Not so much Hillary as those that support her... one_voice Apr 2015 #118

Calling Manny a troll isn't cool. But it seems the default when someone can't defend their stand. rhett o rick Apr 2015 #211

Take it up with wiki then cstanleytech Apr 2015 #213

Calling Manny a troll is rude and shouldn't be necessary to get your point across. nm rhett o rick Apr 2015 #215

But my point is that it was a trollish post or do you disagree that it wasnt trollish? cstanleytech Apr 2015 #216

Do you agree that calling a long time DU poster a troll is rude? nm rhett o rick Apr 2015 #217

I think its far worse to defend a trolling post just because someone has posted here for a long time cstanleytech Apr 2015 #232

If you don't like his post then you have the option of alerting, countering his points or ignoring. rhett o rick Apr 2015 #245

I called it like I see and so far I havent seen you once deny that it wasnt a troll post. cstanleytech Apr 2015 #255

Calling it like you see it isn't justification for being rude. rhett o rick Apr 2015 #256

"I don't answer your questions." Thats close enough, thanks. nt cstanleytech Apr 2015 #265

If the OP'S questions are making you feel discordant or upset then it is you who are the problem as TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #236

Except I dont have to defend her because I'm not supporting her because to be honest cstanleytech Apr 2015 #266

I didn't refer to a her for you to defend. Still ducking the policy position. TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #270

The Republican party has a huge advantage in organizing... Fumesucker Apr 2015 #274

But it's a few days until TPP fast track comes up for a vote n/t eridani Apr 2015 #65

And a lot of the Democratic caucus members who have seen the TPP agreement, the written JDPriestly Apr 2015 #108

Against it if it passes, ignore it if it doesn't. Autumn Apr 2015 #296

You are free to "take a breath". But I see this coming election the last chance for rhett o rick Apr 2015 #200

Well then I suggest that everybody get working on turning over the state legislatures. longship Apr 2015 #209

Some of us are busy but I don't agree that electing a outspoken progressive President rhett o rick Apr 2015 #210

No he will not let it rest treestar Apr 2015 #285

She and Obama likely don't think "that will likely cause bigger profits for the rich, and more job pampango Apr 2015 #17

Are you trying to say that the TPP is going to fix NAFTA? I hope not. nm rhett o rick Apr 2015 #212

Yawn! trumad Apr 2015 #18

Lol~ sheshe2 Apr 2015 #33

Past your bed time? blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #42

Nah...I get bored with repetitive shit. trumad Apr 2015 #47

I think the TPP stinks. So did NAFTA. That Obama supports TPP stinks. Triana Apr 2015 #19

" I'll vote for whoever the nominee is. " FiveGoodMen Apr 2015 #25

ding ding ding.... mike_c Apr 2015 #28

It's either that or a Republican in 2016. Triana Apr 2015 #38

lather, rinse, repeat frylock Apr 2015 #54

We must not succumb to the politics of fear. Maedhros Apr 2015 #85

And voting for the bad Dem (just because) gets you worse and worse Dems. FiveGoodMen Apr 2015 #91

This is the time to back a candidate you really like. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #110

This is Hillary Clinton's PERFECT opportunity to prove... 99Forever Apr 2015 #219

...^ that 840high Apr 2015 #121

What is O'Malley's position on TPP? BainsBane Apr 2015 #20

You make some outstanding comments here BainsBane. lovemydog Apr 2015 #48

Every analysis of the leaked portions of the TPP Maedhros Apr 2015 #87

I'm learning that too. lovemydog Apr 2015 #124

TPP replicates chapter 11 of NAFTA BainsBane Apr 2015 #192

Hillary Clinton *touted* NAFTA MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #93

Will you address my question? BainsBane Apr 2015 #191

O'Malley is against the TPP Jim Lane Apr 2015 #172

Thanks for that BainsBane Apr 2015 #194

I, like everyone else in the world, haven't read it yet. But... JaneyVee Apr 2015 #22

The pentultimate description between Liberal and Conservative. Classic. libdem4life Apr 2015 #88

K&R DeSwiss Apr 2015 #24

Bwahahah...Hils-At-The-Helm® Cosmic Kitten Apr 2015 #34

I'm not a Hillary backer and I don't like the TPP, but any serious or even honest discussion about Bluenorthwest Apr 2015 #26

Hmmmmm. Any discussion of Sen. Clinton voting against CAFTA without mentioning her kelly1mm Apr 2015 #35

+1 davidpdx Apr 2015 #168

+1. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #225

I find it difficult to decide either way on TPP since the details has not been released, all other Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #27

You can tell a lot about it.... daleanime Apr 2015 #51

Speculation. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #97

The Labor wasn't involved? daleanime Apr 2015 #151

I need the TPP Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #31

What do you need it for? Vattel Apr 2015 #67

The Almighty Demands it Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #69

Seriously, I set you up with a nice soft underhand pitch, Vattel Apr 2015 #70

I figured I would answer in a roundabout way Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #72

Ty, my faith in you has been restored. Vattel Apr 2015 #74

Plus, there's always the off chance a jury might hide "bunghole" Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #75

When it comes to a bunghole, I always vote to hide it, Vattel Apr 2015 #78

Love that place zappaman Apr 2015 #106

Oligarchs who propped up our POTUS for election are likely making him make good on the promise nightscanner59 Apr 2015 #32

It will bring about a middle class that can be robbed in foreign lands! Rex Apr 2015 #36

TPP will be fine, just ask the WTO... Cosmic Kitten Apr 2015 #37

I think you might be asking too much. Phlem Apr 2015 #39

http://www.salem-news.com/stimg/january222009/1percent.patch.jpg blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #40

Why don't you just check her website and see her position on the issue? Cheese Sandwich Apr 2015 #45

I think its horrible workinclasszero Apr 2015 #52

BOO! DeSwiss Apr 2015 #79

Friends my ass is a big piece of the point. TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #252

Huge K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Apr 2015 #55

It is one of many issues. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2015 #57

Hello, Hillary Backer here. I would not support the TPP, and yet I support Hillary cheapdate Apr 2015 #58

Hmmmm,,,, let see Cryptoad Apr 2015 #60

I'll write in Sanders. 840high Apr 2015 #122

O'Malley sees the wisdom in a good TPP. I truthfully don't think Elizabeth Warren is interested Hoyt Apr 2015 #62

There is no such thing as a "good TPP" eridani Apr 2015 #71

Your optimism about Obama is misplaced. He's already pushing fast track. Jim Lane Apr 2015 #173

Simple, no nation will give their best deal if they believe our current Congress is going to Hoyt Apr 2015 #176

I'm OK with the no-amendments part of fast track. It's the "fast" part that's objectionable. Jim Lane Apr 2015 #197

Actually, there are advisory committees that include unions and environmental groups -- Hoyt Apr 2015 #199

Those White House talking points don't answer the objections. Jim Lane Apr 2015 #231

I trust the Obama admin to submit a final TPP to Congress that removes the majority Hoyt Apr 2015 #201

You mean like how ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2015 #230

Since its still in draft form and will be changed, perhaps significantly, and the only details... George II Apr 2015 #73

I would like to know if Obama will withhold his endorsement of her pending HRC's endorsement pnwmom Apr 2015 #76

If Hillary Clinton approves or disapproves of the TPP, it is Hillary who made that decision. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2015 #83

Obama will endorse the nominee. But it can be a strong endorsement or a weak endorsement pnwmom Apr 2015 #111

I wouldn't think he would davidpdx Apr 2015 #170

I'm down with TPP Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #77

Damn it....now I have a musical earwig. nt msanthrope Apr 2015 #120

I usually wait more than a minute to listen for crickets MyNameGoesHere Apr 2015 #81

. Its generally a good thing... PosterChild Apr 2015 #90

Poster Child for Global Feudalism FiveGoodMen Apr 2015 #92

LOL, Fuedalism.... PosterChild Apr 2015 #98

you're thinking of old feudalism. new feudalism is corporate global super-feudalism. Cheese Sandwich Apr 2015 #102

I think you're just.. PosterChild Apr 2015 #112

Nice substantive analysis and critique Cheese Sandwich Apr 2015 #125

tell us what's in the bill. spanone Apr 2015 #103

Wow, looks like Hillary backers are growing in numbers rapidly. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #104

I can't give a shit. Sorry. Thus far, this world civilization is doomed. hunter Apr 2015 #107

yes, we can understand your confusion azureblue Apr 2015 #114

And which outright lie would that be? nt MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #119

Yes, do tell: to what "outright lie" are you referring? Maedhros Apr 2015 #233

You wouldn't want people to think you're lying about calling me a liar, MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #239

Not a big deal. Mostly just something for Hillary/Obama haters to latch onto. DanTex Apr 2015 #123

Do you think Sen. Warren understands the TPP? MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #126

Absolutely. And so does Obama. DanTex Apr 2015 #129

Krugman thinks the TPP is a bad idea MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #134

Yeah, but he also thinks it's not a big deal. DanTex Apr 2015 #136

No he does not.. The last thing he said is that people he normally agrees with blame NAFTA for Hoyt Apr 2015 #141

"Not to keep you in suspense, I’m thumbs down." MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #143

That's hardly a condemnation. It's more, why is Obama putting up with false criticism by people Hoyt Apr 2015 #152

I wrote that he thinks it's a bad idea. MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #155

"I don't think the proposal is likely to be the the terrible, worker-destroying pact DanTex Apr 2015 #158

+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 Hoyt Apr 2015 #163

Well said! NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #165

Where does Sen Warren stand on national security? Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #130

She's in favor of it. nt MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #132

But she voted against the ISIS Resolution. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #145

And what was that resolution for, exactly? nt MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #147

This message was self-deleted by its author MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #240

Cat got your tongue? MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #156

Still waiting. nt MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #241

I think National Security is on her back burner. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #242

Again: what was the ISIS vote about? MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #244

Perhaps you can ask Warren what it is about, she voted against it. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #251

She (and I) know exactly what it's about MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #253

Yes I am uncomfortable with the fact of her vote. Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #254

So you're unable to say what the vote was for, MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #258

When I read your first time you ask the question I felt sure you already knew what the ISIS Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #260

The vote was on whether to arm Syrian "rebels", no? nt MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #262

Chickenshit accusation, followed by chickenshit avoidance. Marr Apr 2015 #278

Hyperbole MrMickeysMom Apr 2015 #150

Hillary hates, Hillary bashers.... davidpdx Apr 2015 #169

So does that mean you support it? The question is whether people support it or not. rhett o rick Apr 2015 #218

It means I don't really care about it. DanTex Apr 2015 #238

If you don't know anything about it, how can you dismiss it as minor? nm rhett o rick Apr 2015 #243

That's a fair question. A few reasons. DanTex Apr 2015 #276

going to bed but will read the thread tomorrow fadedrose Apr 2015 #133

Don't give a shit. My kids are adult and I'm willing to check out of this life as a homeless person. hunter Apr 2015 #148

That's the spirit! MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #157

You got it! DeSwiss Apr 2015 #261

Manny, it seems to me that the general drift of what we are ALL supposed to do djean111 Apr 2015 #161

One needs only to look at who's pushing it on us. Orsino Apr 2015 #177

how would you feel about a conservative in the whitehouse who will beachbum bob Apr 2015 #178

I don't like TPP, but the alternative (republican president) is too scary. B Calm Apr 2015 #181

I don't think you posted this OP in good faith YoungDemCA Apr 2015 #202

I think you are making the point. Manny and progressives in general don't like the rhett o rick Apr 2015 #214

If this weighty tome of derangement chapdrum Apr 2015 #237

How do Republicans feel about the TPP? treestar Apr 2015 #246

Glad you asked. Republicons love it, as does the 1%, corporations and conservative Democrats. rhett o rick Apr 2015 #257

+1. Don't expect a substantive response. Marr Apr 2015 #277

So letting them win doesn't help. treestar Apr 2015 #284

Again with the questions instead of statements. But here goes. rhett o rick Apr 2015 #287

How has the New Deal been undone? treestar Apr 2015 #289

If you don't think that the protections of the New Deal have been cut back rhett o rick Apr 2015 #291

So Manny what's your conclusion? It appears that the only consistant reply to rhett o rick Apr 2015 #272

The problem seems to be in my asking the question MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #275

I think the behavior of those not openly opposing the TPP is special. rhett o rick Apr 2015 #288

Naturally, as a well known long time DLC/Third Way supporter of unfettered laissez faire capitalism Zorra Apr 2015 #279

Kick and R. BeanMusical Apr 2015 #282

How does Hillary fell about it? That's how I feel. ileus Apr 2015 #286