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H2O Man

(73,558 posts)
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 05:09 PM Apr 2015

Hillary Clinton & Hydro-Fracking [View all]

The article linked to below is from the September-October issue of Mother Jones. It is a story about how the US State Department -- and specifically Hillary Clinton -- used their position to advocate for a $68 million deal for Chevron to be able to hydro-frack in Bulgaria.

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/09/hillary-clinton-fracking-shale-state-department-chevron

It is this type of thing that causes people like myself -- a registered Democrat, who has voted for the Democratic Party’s candidate in virtually every election since I reached the voting age -- to question if we can in good conscience support Hillary Clinton for president.

The pro-Clinton people, including here on DU:GD, do not seem to want to have an open and honest discussion about this type of issue. Rather, when a DU community member such as myself raises this concern, it tends to be ignored, or marginalized, or the character of the person raising the question is attacked.

Those are the three sticks that many of the pro-Clinton folks swing, in my opinion, in order to either silence or distract from serious discussions of these types of issues. Because I don’t feel (or fear) such sticks, I thought it might be good if I brought this one to the table.

I do so not in an attempt to deny the many good qualities that I recognize Hillary Clinton as having. These include, but are not limited to, her being a strong advocate for women and children, and on LGBT issues. Those are all extremely important, and the fact is that Ms. Clinton has been a long-time, and consistent, leader in these areas. Likewise, I respect her for her role in advocating for affordable health-care for human beings.

Non-issues, ranging from Benghazi to “Clinton Cash” play zero role in my opinion about Ms. Clinton. Indeed, she has been the target of some of the most delusional projections from the decaying minds of the rabid-right for decades. And a huge amount of that, quite obviously, is the direct result of a deeply-rooted fear of and hatred for powerful women that infects our culture.

The issues involved in fracking are distinct from the nonsense. Attempts to portray these concerns as being much the same are, at best, dishonest. Efforts to paint it as a “single issue,” and those who are concerned about it as “purists,” are, at best, uninformed. And the refusal to acknowledge these concerns, and to discuss them openly and honestly, does not speak to the good will of the pro-Clinton members of this community.

There is a disconnect between being an advocate of health care, and being a supporter of the energy corporations’ efforts to capitalize upon “natural resources” in a manner that is extremely destructive to the environment. Fracking poisons the air, soil, and especially water in a manner that poses serious health hazards to human beings and all other living things. As such, it cannot be dismissed as a “single issue” that is of relatively little significance in the “big picture” -- unless, of course, one is willing to accept the lies from corporate “leaders” such as Dick Cheney.

I will be interested in what, if any responses this OP gets from the pro-Clinton people here on the forum. My essay and link are not intended as an attack, either upon them, or on Hillary Clinton. Rather, it is an attempt to communicate the seriousness of many of our concerns regarding Ms. Clinton, and her presidential campaign.

Peace,
H2O Man

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I share your concerns, my dear H20 Man, and I too will be watching. CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2015 #1
Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2015 #12
me, too n/t MBS Apr 2015 #37
you have to have a balance OKNancy Apr 2015 #2
Thank you H2O Man Apr 2015 #9
Yes, we need energy... awoke_in_2003 Apr 2015 #15
Fracking has now been banned in NY because it IS a threat to the lives of the people who sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #44
and it wasn't just Bulgaria and Chevron cali Apr 2015 #3
Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2015 #13
HUGE KnR!! 2banon Apr 2015 #4
Thanks! H2O Man Apr 2015 #17
she undeniably promoted 'fracking' bigtree Apr 2015 #5
I like people who H2O Man Apr 2015 #18
I really don't believe it will happen bigtree Apr 2015 #42
Far left hater FlatBaroque Apr 2015 #6
The first two words H2O Man Apr 2015 #19
Yes they are Mr. Waterman FlatBaroque Apr 2015 #20
You're a Hillary basher! A Hillary basher! And apparently so am I. DesertDiamond Apr 2015 #7
Well, I think some H2O Man Apr 2015 #21
It is easy to be for things like gay rights and women's issues zeemike Apr 2015 #8
Yet they have H2O Man Apr 2015 #22
And when it was not easy they did not do it. zeemike Apr 2015 #34
I agree. H2O Man Apr 2015 #35
It was not easy to advocate for gay rights back in 92 dsc Apr 2015 #40
I'm interested too malaise Apr 2015 #10
Thanks! H2O Man Apr 2015 #23
As Secretary of State, she answer's to the President and does his bidding. William769 Apr 2015 #11
No 3rd term then! H2O Man Apr 2015 #24
On the issues, Hillary and I agree on very few. LiberalAndProud Apr 2015 #14
Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2015 #25
I'm Ready For Oligarchy - Are You? - Vote HRC cantbeserious Apr 2015 #16
Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2015 #27
If you think HRC is Oligarchy Ready Cryptoad Apr 2015 #29
Oligarchy Remains Oligarchy cantbeserious Apr 2015 #36
True,,, Cryptoad Apr 2015 #39
To The 99% - It Matters Not How Gentle The Screw Is - Screwed Is Screwed cantbeserious Apr 2015 #45
Yup just cherry pick a few issues workinclasszero Apr 2015 #54
Many think if they attack HRC enough Cryptoad Apr 2015 #26
Odd. H2O Man Apr 2015 #28
You mean you havent noticed Cryptoad Apr 2015 #30
No. H2O Man Apr 2015 #32
I am concerned about fracking myself leftofcool Apr 2015 #31
Thank you! H2O Man Apr 2015 #33
bravo G_j Apr 2015 #41
inevitablity 2007 redux corkhead Apr 2015 #38
Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2015 #48
I seriously doubt that she would publicly take a position on fracking hootinholler Apr 2015 #43
Until I see it come out of her mouth for myself I am with you. Silence is a bit of a lonestarnot Apr 2015 #46
If there is no H2O Man Apr 2015 #49
a well reasoned and thoughtful post as always H2O Man tk2kewl Apr 2015 #47
Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2015 #50
she was "just following orders". nt antigop Apr 2015 #52
I like the connection you made back to health care... tk2kewl Apr 2015 #53
Thank you for your thoughtful post. My heart is heavy - between "free trade" and fracking myrna minx Apr 2015 #51
Thank you. H2O Man Apr 2015 #55
That is heartbreaking, but unfortunately not surprising. Did this happen myrna minx Apr 2015 #58
so which Republican do you intend to "support" at DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND? Jeffersons Ghost Apr 2015 #56
Please. H2O Man Apr 2015 #57
K/R and a couple thoughts about this matter. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #59
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