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In reply to the discussion: The barnstorming charge here rushing to defend the deplorable TPP [View all]And I can't see how people here can be so against it, since "they" haven't even read it either.
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The barnstorming charge here rushing to defend the deplorable TPP [View all]
WilliamPitt
Apr 2015
OP
If people are viewing the agreement on the basis of "which side supports it", and I am sure some are
still_one
Apr 2015
#1
I don't have a problem with those that choose to "wait and see" how much damage is done
rhett o rick
Apr 2015
#15
and I am addressing the OPs premise that not everyone is pro TPP because they are picking "sides"
still_one
Apr 2015
#56
Good point. Some people secretly belive in trickle-down. What's good for corps is good for us.
rhett o rick
Apr 2015
#155
Whoah!! Take a step back. Re-read the flow of the discussion. I think you're going off half-cocked
Populist_Prole
Apr 2015
#184
I don't know about that. There are tea party members who are not for it, and there are
still_one
Apr 2015
#83
since the republicans all love it, and are in a huge majority, it won't be. yours may be the
Doctor_J
Apr 2015
#95
Perhaps, but I believe there are enough Democrats, and some republicans in Congress to stop the TPA
still_one
Apr 2015
#130
Kind of lends credence to the idea that the administration wanted a Republican Congress. /nt
Marr
Apr 2015
#177
Agreed. I'll refrain from losing my shit until I actually get to read why I should be losing my
msanthrope
Apr 2015
#88
I don't know, I thought treaties required 2/3 vote. I guess I need to re-examine
still_one
Apr 2015
#133
Thanks for the information. I wonder if it can be delayed until 2016 when a new Congress comes in?
still_one
Apr 2015
#136
You are the guys using the retort that TPP must be bad if Republicans are for it.
Hoyt
Apr 2015
#141
and then Democrats can object powerlessly as the TeaPubliKlans shove it through.
TheKentuckian
Apr 2015
#124
Yup. Here's a NAFTA court case for you Will. Children being poisoned in Peru
riderinthestorm
Apr 2015
#2
If not extortion, pretty damn close. The NAFTA cases foreshadow TPP's abuses
riderinthestorm
Apr 2015
#37
Obama is history. Let's look ahead. Hillary Clinton loves the TPP and Fracking. Are you Ready?
NYC_SKP
Apr 2015
#3
You replied to Octafish that wind, solar, hydro aren't fuel for transportation
dreamnightwind
Apr 2015
#153
That sort of geothermal will be great at covering steady state grid power demand, but
TransitJohn
Apr 2015
#181
We don't disagree except on your math. Mixing an annual generation figure with battery capacity???
NYC_SKP
Apr 2015
#97
Please help us in our effort to prevent expansion of the use of natural gas, as has been promoted...
NYC_SKP
Apr 2015
#100
No, President Obama is not "history".. even though some would like to think that. He's very much
Cha
Apr 2015
#108
Just the fact that, in a representative democracy, the people are not being allowed to read it
stranger81
Apr 2015
#81
Exactly, Andy.. and what's so "disgraceful" is The "Fingerwagger" who gets so "nasty" accusing
Cha
Apr 2015
#110
People have read the chapters that are leaked. And I trust MSF, Warren, Sanders etc
riderinthestorm
Apr 2015
#46
Yeah, forcing them to take 7-figure jobs in the private sector will show them!!
jeff47
Apr 2015
#200
I understand the feelings, sometimes it takes time, it's not easy to hear others
AuntPatsy
Apr 2015
#8
Paul Ryan budget slasher, Mitch, CoC & others on the right working for TPP says mucho-
appalachiablue
Apr 2015
#13
And somewhere here on DU is a list of corporations who have had input to it. That is not comforting
jwirr
Apr 2015
#26
"he loves me and would never do anything to hurt me" and I'll stand in front of a bus so he may live
cherokeeprogressive
Apr 2015
#54
Sometimes I believe there is a significant number of people here who would trade their lives for
cherokeeprogressive
Apr 2015
#65
and if found to be unacceptable then what? Sign a petition, wring your hands, or pretend it is great
TheKentuckian
Apr 2015
#126
What is calling your Congressman going to do. Odds are if they are a Democrat they are against it
TheKentuckian
Apr 2015
#166
You insist on ignoring that the 60 days means NOTHING. We cannot stop passage
TheKentuckian
Apr 2015
#201
But about 95% (maybe more) of the critics on DU know absolutely NOTHING about the TPP.
George II
Apr 2015
#27
And most of us trust Sherrod Brown, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Barbara Lee, and the rest
Doctor_J
Apr 2015
#29
I'm sure it corresponds to a spike in "grass roots organizing" expenditures at the DNC/RNC. n/t
lumberjack_jeff
Apr 2015
#33
Bullshit. If the process were open and transparent, Obama's support or not would be secondary
cherokeeprogressive
Apr 2015
#58
As recently as Bush negotiations were more open and transparent than under Obama.
pa28
Apr 2015
#172
Nope. It's a disaster because McConnell, Ryan and corporate negotiators support it.
eridani
Apr 2015
#109
You don't need to read it if you know how all the other "trade" agreements have
eridani
Apr 2015
#196
Either you think that corporations have the right to override governments or you don't
eridani
Apr 2015
#207
You don't have to read it to know that there will be an investors' rights tribunal
eridani
Apr 2015
#209
Probably shouldn't waste your time. I'm sure your toenails need trimming or you can find
Number23
Apr 2015
#94
Just because more than one person disagrees with you doesn't make it barnstorming. nt
Hekate
Apr 2015
#50
SOS - Circle the wagons and extol the "misunderstood virtues" of another dog shit corporate giveaway
whatchamacallit
Apr 2015
#60
i am not seeing necessarily support of tpp, rather calling out the misinformation from those against
seabeyond
Apr 2015
#64
since the supporters also approved of the president signing last year's budget, they could be
Doctor_J
Apr 2015
#85
I'm Australian and I'm opposed to the TPP not coz of anything I've read on DU...
Violet_Crumble
Apr 2015
#199
i do not support tpp. yet those that be like to throw me in the camp. i think you will find another
seabeyond
Apr 2015
#148
What would it take to convince you it was good or bad? Here's the polll you requested.....
Scuba
Apr 2015
#161
there you go. i had already voted, opposed. i do not think anything will convince me it is good.
seabeyond
Apr 2015
#163
seems to me though, per that poll, it does not have the supporters that OP after OP
seabeyond
Apr 2015
#165
Dang, WilliamPitt, I think you have become a brand. ( as a side note I agree ) nt
Snotcicles
Apr 2015
#142
Didn't you write a similar bashing of the Prez last April on ACA, albeit with very vile language?
Hoyt
Apr 2015
#159
When Bush tried this in 2007 they were all against it. So you're right. I was against it then
sabrina 1
Apr 2015
#187
Life is easier if you just ignore that type of white noise, unless you are a sadist.
Rex
Apr 2015
#185
They're just trying to cut off debate by discrediting the opposition out of hand
Populist_Prole
Apr 2015
#186
It's not all most Democrats want to know. There is overwhelming opposition to this
sabrina 1
Apr 2015
#190